Low T- Bloodwork included

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Male Age 26
Height: 6'3" Weight 185 19% BF

Partial Results-
IGF-1 375 ng/Ml (117-329) High
Thyroid Stim Horm (TSH) 2.32 uIU/mL (.4-4.00)
T-4, Free 1.5 ng/dL (.8-1.9)
T-3, Free 3.9 pg/ml (1.5-4.1)
Triiodothyonine-T3 133 ng/dl(82-179)
Estradiol 24 pg/ml (<5-56)
Luteinizing Hormone 3.6 mIU/mL (.8-7.6)
Follicle Stim Hormone 3.0 mIU/mL(.7-11.1)
Prolactin 17.9 ng/mL (2.5-17.0) High
Progesterone .7 ng/mL (.3-.9)
Pregnenolone 1788 ng/dL (10-380) Very High
Cortisol, Serum 19.5 mcg/dL (5-25) early morning
DHEA-Sulfate 398 mcg/dL (280-640)
Testosterone, Total 298 (280-800)
Testosterone, Free .58 ng/dL (.88-2.70) Low
Fraction of Total .19% (.32-.51) Low
Vit D Total 29.2 ng/mL (19.0-58.0)
Reverse T3 290 pg/mL (90-350)

No history of AAS, illegal drugs, smoking, heavy drinking, etc. My Endo is retesting my blood now.

I got what apparently was very mild unilateral Gyno 4 years ago. Doc had it scanned, said she had no idea what it was, and then sent me home and told me now to worry about it. Last 2 years have been having insomnia/ brain fog. Last 2 months I started getting bad gyno. I thought I had a normal puberty... I had cystic acne until accutane, and I am fairly hairy... no idea what is going on... Thoughts?
 
Male Age 26
Height: 6'3" Weight 185 19% BF

Partial Results-
IGF-1 375 ng/Ml (117-329) High
Thyroid Stim Horm (TSH) 2.32 uIU/mL (.4-4.00)
T-4, Free 1.5 ng/dL (.8-1.9)
T-3, Free 3.9 pg/ml (1.5-4.1)
Triiodothyonine-T3 133 ng/dl(82-179)
Estradiol 24 pg/ml (<5-56)
Luteinizing Hormone 3.6 mIU/mL (.8-7.6)
Follicle Stim Hormone 3.0 mIU/mL(.7-11.1)
Prolactin 17.9 ng/mL (2.5-17.0) High
Progesterone .7 ng/mL (.3-.9)
Pregnenolone 1788 ng/dL (10-380) Very High
Cortisol, Serum 19.5 mcg/dL (5-25) early morning
DHEA-Sulfate 398 mcg/dL (280-640)
Testosterone, Total 298 (280-800)
Testosterone, Free .58 ng/dL (.88-2.70) Low
Fraction of Total .19% (.32-.51) Low
Vit D Total 29.2 ng/mL (19.0-58.0)
Reverse T3 290 pg/mL (90-350)

No history of AAS, illegal drugs, smoking, heavy drinking, etc. My Endo is retesting my blood now.

I got what apparently was very mild unilateral Gyno 4 years ago. Doc had it scanned, said she had no idea what it was, and then sent me home and told me now to worry about it. Last 2 years have been having insomnia/ brain fog. Last 2 months I started getting bad gyno. I thought I had a normal puberty... I had cystic acne until accutane, and I am fairly hairy... no idea what is going on... Thoughts?

You gyno is most likely not come estrogen but prolactin.
Your thyroid is probably low as this can increase prolactin levels and possible affect testosterone feed back loop
YOu adrenals may be low which could be resullting in tissue deficeincy of thyroid so I would suggest saliva cortisol test because people can be stressed out when blood is drawn giving a false reading.
Your vitamin D is a little on the lower end should be more like 45-50 range for healthy benefits.
Low zinc l, b-6 levels can also cause high prolactin.
The question is are you primary or secondary hypogonadism or is there just something blocking the response from the LH from pituitary.
Accutane can cause problem with similar to something to finasteride. The mechanism by which does it is unknown. It may some how alter certain cytochrome p 450
 
More tests:

Complete Blood Count
White Blood Count 7.4 thous/mm3 (4.4-11.0)
Red Blood Count 5.71 mil/mm3 (4.70-6.10)
Hemoglobin 16.5 g/dL (14.0-18.0)
Hematocrit 47.6% (42.0-52.0)
MCV 83 fL (84-98) Low
MCH 28.8 pg (28.0-33.0)
MCHC 34.6 % (32.0-36.0)
RDW 11.3% 10.6-14.7
Platelet Count 169 thou/mm3 (150-450)
MPV 7.9 fL
Referential WBC ...
Neutrophils 63.2% (40-75.0)
Monocytes 6.7% (0-10.0)
Lymphocytes 26.9% (20.0-40.0)
Eosinophils 2.2% (0.0-5.0)
Basophils 1.0% (0.0-2.0)

Comp Metabolic Panel
Sodium 144 mEq/L (135-149)
Potassium 4.2 mEq/L (3.4-5.4)
Chloride 105 mEq/L (98-108)
Carbon Dioxide 25 mEq/L (22-32)
Calcium 9.3 mg/dL (8.5-10.5)
Glucose 87 mg/dL (<100)
Blood Urea Nitrogen 16 mg/Dl (6-25)
Creatinine .9 mg/dL .6-1.5
Bun: Creatinine Ratio 18 (10-28)
*FR >60 mL/Min (>60)

Total Protein, Serum 6.8 g/dL (6-8.2)
Albumin, Serum 4.7 g/dL (3.5-5.1)
Globulin 2.1 g/dL (2.0-3.5)
A:G Ratio 2.2 (1-2.2)
Bilirubin, Total .4 mg/dL (0-1.2)
Alkaline Phosphatase 119 U/L (33-141)
SGOT/AST 30 U/L(6-36)
SGPT/ALT 46 U/L (<48)
Cholesterol, Total 147 mg/dL (<200)
Triglycerides 75 mg/dL (<150)
HDL Cholesterol 43 mg/dL (>40)
LDL (Calculated) 89 mg/dL (Optimal <100)
1/2 ave risk heart disease

Vitamin B-12 510 pg/mL (220-960)
Insulin 11.7 uIU/mL (6.0-27.0)
 
*The company that tested me sells supplements... so some of the ranges may be tweaked*

Wake Up: 7:40a Test: 9:40p

Cortisol: 6.0 ng/mL Elevated
Optimal Range (reference)
Morning:7-10 (6.0-15.0)
Midday:3-6 (3.0-7.0)
Evening: 2.0-4.0 (2.0-4.0)
Night: <1.5 (<1.5)

Melatonin: 9.5 pg/mL Low
Day: <5.0 (<5.0)
Evening: 5-10 (5-10)
Night: 25-60 (>15)

Epinephrine: 7.3 ug/gCr Elevated
Day:8-11 (1-25)
Night: 3-6

Norepinephrine: 32.8 ug/gCr Elevated
Day: 8-11 (4.5-93)
Night: 15-25

Dopamine: 83.9 ug/gCr Optimal
Day:125-175 (48-435)
Night 80-120

DOPAC: 813 ug/gCR Optimal
Day: 900-1250 (120-3500.0)
Night:600-900

Serotonin: 68.6 ug/gCr Low
Day: 125-175 (15.0-335.0)
Night: 100-175

Glycine: 675.5 *Mol/gCr Optimal
Day: 375-1250 (150-11500)
Night: 350-1000

GABA: 6.7 *Mol/gCr Elevated
Day:1.5-4.0 (.5-18.0)
Night: 1-3

Glutamate: 15.7 * Optimal
Day:15-35 (3-125)
Night: 10-25

PEA: 54.3* Elevated
Day: 30-70 (10.0-190.0)
Night: 21-50

Histamine: 15.8* Elevated
Day:10-20 (5.0-45.0)
Night: 5-15

Creatinine: 75.2 (28-259)
 
You gyno is most likely not come estrogen but prolactin.
Your thyroid is probably low as this can increase prolactin levels and possible affect testosterone feed back loop
YOu adrenals may be low which could be resullting in tissue deficeincy of thyroid so I would suggest saliva cortisol test because people can be stressed out when blood is drawn giving a false reading.
Your vitamin D is a little on the lower end should be more like 45-50 range for healthy benefits.
Low zinc l, b-6 levels can also cause high prolactin.
The question is are you primary or secondary hypogonadism or is there just something blocking the response from the LH from pituitary.
Accutane can cause problem with similar to something to finasteride. The mechanism by which does it is unknown. It may some how alter certain


I took a separate saliva cortisol 4x, but I'd have to track down the results(different from the test above). I started supplementing with 400 iu D3 and 400 iu D/day a about 4 months ago(obviously too little). Before then, I did no supplementation-- and did not get a lot of sun. I likely had very low vitamin D. I have been taking a good mineral supplement for sometime that includes zinc. Don't know about B6. I was under some stress when I took the tests, but nothing overwhelming.


I failed to mention in my initial post that I accidentally OD'd on stimulants(bad insomnia for a month) which started the insomnia/brain fog. Also, one correction to my initial post: I don't know when puberty ended for me.
 
*the company that tested me sells supplements... So some of the ranges may be tweaked*

wake up: 7:40a test: 9:40p

cortisol: 6.0 ng/ml elevated
optimal range (reference)
morning:7-10 (6.0-15.0)
midday:3-6 (3.0-7.0)
evening: 2.0-4.0 (2.0-4.0)
night: <1.5 (<1.5)

melatonin: 9.5 pg/ml low
day: <5.0 (<5.0)
evening: 5-10 (5-10)
night: 25-60 (>15)

epinephrine: 7.3 ug/gcr elevated
day:8-11 (1-25)
night: 3-6

norepinephrine: 32.8 ug/gcr elevated
day: 8-11 (4.5-93)
night: 15-25

dopamine: 83.9 ug/gcr optimal
day:125-175 (48-435)
night 80-120

dopac: 813 ug/gcr optimal
day: 900-1250 (120-3500.0)
night:600-900

serotonin: 68.6 ug/gcr low
day: 125-175 (15.0-335.0)
night: 100-175

glycine: 675.5 *mol/gcr optimal
day: 375-1250 (150-11500)
night: 350-1000

gaba: 6.7 *mol/gcr elevated
day:1.5-4.0 (.5-18.0)
night: 1-3

glutamate: 15.7 * optimal
day:15-35 (3-125)
night: 10-25

pea: 54.3* elevated
day: 30-70 (10.0-190.0)
night: 21-50

histamine: 15.8* elevated
day:10-20 (5.0-45.0)
night: 5-15

creatinine: 75.2 (28-259)


These are a waste of time & money. And I will bet they can "sell" you fixes for the "abnormals." What is the name of the company?
 
You had an actual internal medicine doc run these tests? I thought internists were the last bastion of hope!

The internist ran $$$$ of tests. Prodded my testicles and told me they looked fine. And then referred me to a couple of endos that I was not impressed with... I have not had much luck with doctors.
 
I have some ideas, but I want to work through them a little bit more. Was the pregnenolone test repeated? Did you have any other intermediaries tested (17-OH) ? Do you have levels for DHEA and DHEA-S?

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I have some ideas, but I want to work through them a little bit more. Was the pregnenolone test repeated? Did you have any other intermediaries tested (17-OH) ? Do you have levels for DHEA and DHEA-S?


DHEA-S was ~400mcg/dL(280-640). No test for DHEA. My endo is retesting my blood now(don't know if pregnenolone is being retested, but I assume that it is).
 
DHEA-S was ~400mcg/dL(280-640). No test for DHEA. My endo is retesting my blood now(don't know if pregnenolone is being retested, but I assume that it is).


I would ask for intermediaries, more specifically mention "Type II 3{beta}-Hydroxysteroid Dehydrogenase Deficiency."


Frank-Raue K, Raue F, Korth-Schutz S, Vecsei P, Ziegler R. [Clinical features and diagnosis of mild 3-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency in men]. Dtsch Med Wochenschr 1989;114(9):331-4.

3 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (HSD) deficiency was demonstrated in six males, aged between 18 and 24 years, who had gynaecomastia, hypogonadism or infertility. The predominant laboratory finding was a striking elevation of dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate (DHEAS) levels. The diagnosis of HSD deficiency was confirmed by finding a marked rise in dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and 17-hydroxypregnenolone levels. In contrast to these findings in late-onset enzyme deficiency, in four males with the classical form of 21-hydroxylase deficiency the only sign was a reduction in adult height. The prevalence of late-onset HSD deficiency in men is not known and may be more relevant in patients with gynaecomastia or abnormal gonadal function than has hitherto been realized.


Cavanah SF, Dons RF. Partial 3 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency presenting as new-onset gynecomastia in a eugonadal adult male. Metabolism 1993;42(1):65-8.

The postpubertal clinical presentation of 3 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency (3B-HSD deficiency) is less well-defined for adult males than for adult females, who often present with hirsutism. We describe a male with normal puberty who presented with new-onset gynecomastia at age 24. Common causes of gynecomastia were excluded. Dehydroepiandrosterone-sulfate (DHEA-S), estradiol, estrone, and 24-hour urinary 17-ketosteroid levels were elevated. A feminizing tumor was considered; biochemical tumor markers, chest x-ray, ultrasound of testes, and abdominal computed tomography (CT) scan were negative.

Dexamethasone-suppression testing showed normal suppression of 24-hour urinary adrenal steroids. Cosyntropin-stimulation testing showed normal cortisol, 11-deoxycortisol, 17-OH progesterone (17-OHP), and aldosterone levels, but significant elevations of pregnenolone (preg), 17-OH preg, progesterone, DHEA, and androstenedione (A) levels. The sperm count was high and gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH)-stimulation testing showed a normal increase in testosterone (T) level, suggesting that the defect did not involve the testes.

It is concluded that this patient's gynecomastia is due to 3B-HSD deficiency with an associated alteration in sex hormone ratios. To our knowledge, this is the first well-described adult male with normal gonadal function presenting with postpubertal gynecomastia due to 3B-HSD deficiency. This defect may be a frequently unrecognized cause of gynecomastia.



Lutfallah C, Wang W, Mason JI, et al. Newly Proposed Hormonal Criteria via Genotypic Proof for Type II 3{beta}-Hydroxysteroid Dehydrogenase Deficiency. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2002;87(6):2611-22.

To define the hormonal criteria via genotypic proof for 3{beta}-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3{beta}-HSD) deficiency in the adrenals and gonads, we investigated the type II 3{beta}-HSD genotype in 55 patients with clinical and/or hormonal presentation suggesting compromised adrenal with or without gonadal 3{beta}-HSD activity.

Fourteen patients (11 males and 3 females) had ambiguous genitalia with or without salt wasting and with or without premature pubarche. One female neonate had salt wasting only. Twenty-five children (4 males and 21 females) had premature pubarche only. Fifteen adolescent and adult females had hirsutism with or without menstrual disorder.

The type II 3{beta}-HSD gene, including the promoter region up to -1053 base, all exons I, II, III, IV, and exon and intron boundaries, was sequenced in all subjects. Eight patients had a proven or predictably deleterious mutation in both alleles of the type II 3{beta}-HSD gene, and 47 patients had no apparent mutation in the gene.

ACTH-stimulated (1 h post iv bolus of 250 {micro}g Cortrosyn) serum 17-hydroxypregnenolone ({Delta}5-17P) levels and basal and ACTH-stimulated ratios of {Delta}5-17P to cortisol (F) in the genotypic proven patients were unequivocally higher than those of age-matched or pubic hair stage matched genotype-normal patients or control subjects (n = 7-30 for each group). All other baseline and ACTH-stimulated hormone parameters, including dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) levels, ratios of {Delta}5-17P to 17-OHP and DHEA to androstenedione in the genotype-proven patients, overlapped with the genotype-normal patients or control subjects.

The hormonal findings in the genotype-proven patients suggest that the following hormonal criteria are compatible with 3{beta}-HSD deficiency congenital adrenal hyperplasia (numeric and graphic reference standards from infancy to adulthood are provided):

ACTH-stimulated {Delta}5-17P levels in 1) neonatal infants with ambiguous genitalia at or greater than 378 nmol/liter equivalent to or greater than 5.3 SD above the control mean level [95 {+/-} 53 (SD) nmol/liter]; 2) Tanner I children with ambiguous genitalia at or greater than 165 nmol/liter equivalent to or greater than 35 SD above the control mean level [12 {+/-} 4.3 (SD) nmol/liter]; 3) children with premature pubarche at or greater than 294 nmol/liter equivalent to or greater than 54 SD above Tanner II pubic hair stage matched control mean level [17 {+/-} 5 (SD) nmol/liter]; and 4) adults with at or greater than 289 nmol/liter equivalent to or greater than 21 SD above the normal mean level [25 {+/-} 12 (SD) nmol/liter].

ACTH-stimulated ratio of {Delta}5-17P to F in 1) neonatal infants at or greater than 434 equivalent to or greater than 6.4 SD above the control mean ratio [88 {+/-} 54 (SD)]; 2) Tanner I children at or greater than 216 equivalent to or greater than 23 SD above the control mean ratio [12 {+/-} 9 (SD)]; 3) children with premature pubarche at or greater than 363 equivalent to or greater than 38 SD above the control mean ratio [20 {+/-} 9 (SD)]; and 4) adults at or greater than 4010 equivalent to or greater than 221 SD above the normal mean ratio [29 {+/-} 18 (SD)]. Conversely, the hormonal data in the genotype-normal patients suggest the following hormonal criteria are not consistent with 3{beta}-HSD deficiency congenital adrenal hyperplasia:

ACTH-stimulated {Delta}5-17P levels in children with premature pubarche up to 72 nmol/liter equivalent to up to 11 SD above the control mean level, and in hirsute females up to 150 nmol/liter equivalent to up to 12 SD above the normal female mean level [28 {+/-} 10 (SD) nmol/liter]; and ACTH-stimulated {Delta}5-17P to F ratio in children with premature pubarche up to 67 equivalent to up to 5 SD above the control mean ratio, and in hirsute females up to 151 equivalent to up to 10 SD above the normal mean ratio [32 {+/-} 12 (SD)].

These findings help define newly proposed hormonal criteria to accurately predict inherited 3{beta}-HSD deficiency.
 

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After consulting with a small army of doctors I determined what was causing the low t. Sleep apnea combined with insomnia. I lowered BF% and I am starting CPAP/BIPAP.
 
Good to hear you figured it out. If you aren't able to tolerate cpap seriously consider surgery. I did and it completely cured my severe apnea. See the thread I posted about it a few weeks ago.
 
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