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MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

Gotcha.

I've had SIMEC test some GH products. Underdosed was common. Maybe some "degrading" from storage, shipping, testing. (Don't know enough about the testing to say exactly why)

I understand wanting to learn more about the testing method of the samples.

But, maybe looking at the testing protocols used for serum testing is a step in the right direction also

IGF1 is elevated from one SubQ/IM injection (ranging from an entire vial to 3ius)

The popular BBing Forum GH Protocol used for GH "testing" Vs clinical study protocols seems to be very different
 
muscle96ss said:
I guess Genotropin, Norditropin, etc.. should all be expected to be underdosed too?
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If you are buying it from a drug dealer? Yes. At least potentially.

Repackaging is cheap and dilution doubles (or more) their profits.

Not all drug dealers step on product regardless of original provenance, but a huge chunk do.
 
It does indeed seem
prophetic how most are more than willing to believe UGL under dose PEDs such AAS but when the product is MUCH MORE difficult to manufacture like GH out come the naysayers who claim foul stating some far inferior quantitative assay like "GH or IGF evels show X".

I wonder if money has anything to do with it, lol!
 
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Just 2 examples tested by SIMEC

Both samples underdosed

The Hygetropin 8/10iu vial tested at 1.06mgs (3.18IUs)

This sample tested well (GH Serum/IGF1) using the Inject an Entire Vial/3.5 Hr Blood Serum Protocol

Just sharing some info. I think researching actual clinical methods for GH Bioequivalence might help to point out some flaws in the popular GH Protocol Serum testing

The blood work isn't from the Hygetropin. Just an example of IGF1 elevation from baseline with one SubQ injection.(125ng/mL - 307ng/mL)
 

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ProfessorX said:
Just 2 examples tested by SIMEC

Both samples underdosed

The Hygetropin 8/10iu vial tested at 1.06mgs (3.18IUs)

This sample tested well (GH Serum/IGF1) using the Inject an Entire Vial/3.5 Hr Blood Serum Protocol

Just sharing some info. I think researching actual clinical methods for GH Bioequivalence might help to point out some flaws in the popular GH Protocol Serum testing
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What were you numbers on GH serum and IGF-1(<<< and how many iu/day) ??
 
ProfessorX said:
Just 2 examples tested by SIMEC

Both samples underdosed

The Hygetropin 8/10iu vial tested at 1.06mgs (3.18IUs)

This sample tested well (GH Serum/IGF1) using the Inject an Entire Vial/3.5 Hr Blood Serum Protocol

Just sharing some info. I think researching actual clinical methods for GH Bioequivalence might help to point out some flaws in the popular GH Protocol Serum testing
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Wow! 18% impurities..
 
ProfessorX said:
Just 2 examples tested by SIMEC

Both samples underdosed

The Hygetropin 8/10iu vial tested at 1.06mgs (3.18IUs)

This sample tested well (GH Serum/IGF1) using the Inject an Entire Vial/3.5 Hr Blood Serum Protocol

Just sharing some info. I think researching actual clinical methods for GH Bioequivalence might help to point out some flaws in the popular GH Protocol Serum testing

The blood work isn't from the Hygetropin. Just an example of IGF1 elevation from baseline with one SubQ injection.(125ng/mL - 307ng/mL)
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How old is this sample? Legit Hygetropin has not been manufactured in over 1 1/2 years.
 
muscle96ss said:
How old is this sample? Legit Hygetropin has not been manufactured in over 1 1/2 years.
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"Legit Hygetropin" :)

It was a "Green Top" pinwheel. So many different Hyges, websites, factories, etc

I did have a Zhongshan BioHygene 3.2mg (8iu) vial tested. 2013-06-23 It tested at 2.87 mgs (SIMEC)

Anti-Counterfeit code stated 'authentic' on the BioHygene.com site
 
How long ago was it purchased? When I say legit Hygetropin, I mean from the legit GMP factory that was producing it, not the copy cats of counterfeits.
 
muscle96ss said:
How long ago was it purchased? When I say legit Hygetropin, I mean from the legit GMP factory that was producing it, not the copy cats of counterfeits.
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I'm sure it's just one of the many Hygetropins on the market

But even the Hygetropin made in Zhongshan wasn't made to "medical prescription" standards.

That's why it was sold on the Black Market

Zhongshan Hygene BioPharm (2.5iu/4iu/8iu) was made for China Mainland

Not Hygetropin
 
Regardless of who is making them, or what the brand is, I've just come to the conclusion that every single fucking 'generic' on the market is so damn inconsistent. Whether it be quality, or quantity the Chinese have us by the balls. With thier tiny dicks in hand they will always bend us over a barrel and fuck us.
 
ProfessorX said:
I'm sure it's just one of the many Hygetropins on the market

But even the Hygetropin made in Zhongshan wasn't made to "medical prescription" standards.

That's why it was sold on the Black Market

Zhongshan Hygene BioPharm (2.5iu/4iu/8iu) was made for China Mainland

Not Hygetropin
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Here, everybody needs to read this link. Also at the bottom of the article are links to the other 3 parts. They will help give background info about the Chinese GH market. I think at least a portion of peoples paranoia and distrust come from lack of information. The more you understand easier it is to realize that there are legit GH factories producing quality GH(there are also a shitload of counterfeit and scam operations, not denying that):

http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/growth-hormone-part-4
 
Legit Ansomone and Jintropin from China (But so many counterfeits)

But you see, even the article is "misleading"

The SIMEC HPLC-MS Assay Report is Photoshopped :(

Can't trust everything you read on the Internet
 

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The more you understand easier it is to realize that there are legit GH factories producing quality GH
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No one here disputes this. The problem is that the second it leaves a "legit" GH production facility it enters a long, long, looooooooong, supply chain of criminals who sell to the rest of us criminal consumers.

These resellers etc, have every incentive in the world to dilute these products as far as they think they can get away with. That is the common sense.

The unusual outcome requiring the highest proof burden is the crazy scenario where all of these criminals have hearts of gold and only pass along the purest unstepped on, unadulterated, un-outright-faked product because... doggone it, people like them.
 
ProfessorX said:
Legit Ansomone and Jintropin from China (But so many counterfeits)

But you see, even the article is "misleading"

The SIMEC HPLC-MS Assay Report is Photoshopped :(

Can't trust everything you read on the Internet
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What tells you its photshopped; I am not very computer literate so I don't know what to look for?
 
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