MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[muscle96ss]

You've officially lost your mind. You're batshit crazy. Jim didn't poke holes in his own test. Not one time. I know exactly what was discussed in that thread and you're dead wrong. You tried to pull this shit back then and were called out for it at the time. I guess you think enough time has passed that people have forgotten what transpired. I haven't.

Prove Jim poked holes in his own test. Let's see your evidence.

Fuck it, here is your damn proof, post #802 from the Western Biotech thread:

Yes that's correct and if you would read my posts perhaps you would learn something.

But I'll post it ONE MORE TIME for you!
Karl has yet to present ANY internal analytical data which is even remotely suggestive the compounds HE TESTED are GH!

MANDS Has posted several tests which reveal the SAMPLES he had analyzed were a high purity protein BUT nothing that confirms that protein was indeed rHGH!

THOSE ARE THE FACTS FELLA !!!

That was Jim calling it mands test and acting like it wasn't his test and saying that it didn't confirm it was GH; thus leading people to believe that the tests were invalid!!! I accept your apology you incompetent moron!!!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Ask mands, remember he got pissed at when I revealed that Jim did the testing because he had only mentioned that in an email to me and it wasn't public knowledge. You guys had this whole little charade where you were trying to say that the labs tests didn't show that it was GH when you knew all along that Jim performed the tests.

I am sure that mands will remember the whole farce and back this up. But I got an even better idea. How is this, if I can dig through that massive thread and find the exact situation that I am referring to and prove you wrong, will you agree to post the Humtrope lab test? A simple yes or no will suffice?

No, I will not ask Mands. You made the claim, you back it up. Don't try to pawn it off on Mands.

And stop asking me to post the Humatrope standard. I have no more access to the standard than you. We've been through this already and you still don't seem to get it. I had NOTHING to do with the HPLC and I have NO access to anything not already posted.

 

[muscle96ss]

No, I will not ask Mands. You made the claim, you back it up. Don't try to pawn it off on Mands.

And stop asking me to post the Humatrope standard. I have no more access to the standard than you. We've been through this already and you still don't seem to get it. I had NOTHING to do with the HPLC and I have NO access to anything not already posted.

So at least you admit that it has never been publicly posted? Is that correct?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Fuck it, here is your damn proof, post #802 from the Western Biotech thread:



That was Jim calling it mands test and acting like it wasn't his test and saying that it didn't confirm it was GH; thus leading people to believe that the tests were invalid!!! I accept your apology you incompetent moron!!!

There was nothing in that statement that wasn't factual. All Mands had been given was the mass spec that confirmed the molecular weight of Karl's sample matched that of rhGH. An HPLC was still needed to confirm the sample did in fact contain rhGH and Mands didn't have that. I don't think he's ever received the HPLC for Karl's GH. Try again.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So at least you admit that it has never been publicly posted? Is that correct?

I admit that I haven't seen the actual report. Whether it's been posted or not, I don't know. Mands should know the answer to that since he's the one who's been posting all the data.

 

[muscle96ss]

There was nothing in that statement that wasn't factual. All Mands had been given was the mass spec that confirmed the molecular weight of Karl's sample matched that of rhGH. An HPLC was still needed to confirm the sample did in fact contain rhGH and Mands didn't have that. I don't think he's ever received the HPLC for Karl's GH. Try again.

Are you that incompetent? I can't even believe we are having this discussion since you participated in the whole thread. Re-read the whole thread, its in plain english. Mands had it tested, Jim did the tests, the general public didn't know Jim did the tests, Jim played a game pretending that the tests didn't show that it was GH, Jim got busted by me, all his cronies stood up for him and overlooked his deceit because Karl was a bad guy anyways and deserved it. Its all there. Why is it so hard for you idiots to admit the truth here? I originally didn't think that Jim had an agenda, but there is so much lies and deception going on here that I am actually beginning to wonder.

 

[muscle96ss]

I admit that I haven't seen the actual report. Whether it's been posted or not, I don't know. Mands should know the answer to that since he's the one who's been posting all the data.

Mands has no idea of anything having to do with a Humatrope standard; we have already discussed that via email.

 

[muscle96ss]

I admit that I haven't seen the actual report. Whether it's been posted or not, I don't know. Mands should know the answer to that since he's the one who's been posting all the data.

Thank you for being honest!!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Are you that incompetent? I can't even believe we are having this discussion since you participated in the whole thread. Re-read the whole thread, its in plain english. Mands had it tested, Jim did the tests, the general public didn't know Jim did the tests, Jim played a game pretending that the tests didn't show that it was GH, Jim got busted by me, all his cronies stood up for him and overlooked his deceit because Karl was a bad guy anyways and deserved it. Its all there. Why is it so hard for you idiots to admit the truth here? I originally didn't think that Jim had an agenda, but there is so much lies and deception going on here that I am actually beginning to wonder.

Your tirade doesn't change the facts: Mands only had a mass spec and that wasn't enough to confirm Karl's sample contained rhGH. Read Jim's words closely:

"MANDS Has posted several tests which reveal the SAMPLES he had analyzed were a high purity protein BUT nothing that confirms that protein was indeed rHGH!"​

That was a 100% factual statement. Whether Jim knew the sample contained GH and withheld that information is irrelevant to proving your case, i.e., that Jim poked holes in his own data. Jim never disputed the mass spec.

And Jim had legitimate reasons for withholding the HPLC. At the time, we were trying to force Karl to post his PRE-EXISTING analytical data - data that anyone who was manufacturing GH would most definitely have. If Jim had posted the HPLC confirming Karl had GH, Karl wouldn't have had any incentive to post his data. Instead, Karl would have taken the mass spec AND the HPLC back to his forums and used them to prove he was manufacturing GH, and then let the sales begin.

As it was, Karl never did post any PRE-EXISTING data. He couldn't post it because he didn't have it. He didn't have it because he wasn't manufacturing rhGH.

And Jim wasn't "busted" by you, you exposed his involvement by posting Mands PRIVATE MESSAGES on the open forum.

 

[Dr JIM]

What are you attempting to prove by Jim admitting that's Karl's GH was used as the standard?

I believe you understand I'm admitting no such thing bc that's just NOT the case.

The point is MH and Karl have argued all along the Western Bio GH Karl was pushing was of Pharm grade quality OR BETTER!

Ok fine let's assume that's the case and Ks standard was used rather than Humatrope

(Understand I would have to spend about $2500 to perform those tests necessary to standardize K's GH, and WTF would I do that with Humatrope on hand. The suggestion is just absurd.)

So the question then becomes would changing the standard from one "Ph grade" product to another alter the HPLC results I've posted?

Nope not at all, why in fact using another standard would only CONFIRM the samples tested were in fact under dosed! Got it.

See it's just more of the same BULLSHIT MH has used in an attempt to convince others the assays I've posted are not legit.

The fact is it's just more of the same garbage. MH concocts some lame objection to these analyses and each time he is proven WRONG. No worries if your MH bc thereafter he simply moves on to another fabricated testing "error".

So do stay tuned, next up Jim is selling his OWN generic GH, lmao!

What a clown.

 

[Dr JIM]

So...uh...yea....back to the subject of testing. Funny how there is a list of UGLs recently tested. Quite a few are "overdosed" according to the test results. Nobody questions that....anyway..

Hear is an ANSOMONE test result
Batch No. 20140804 EXP. 201607View attachment 27490
Is there any info on the ANSOMONE that was tested here other than the concentration found? Batch No. / Exp Date, etc?

View attachment 27491
This is something mentioned by SIMEC from another GH Sample tested

I'm having a GodTropin and AngTropin sample tested. Can anyone point me in the right direction where these famous "Grey Tops" can be found. Maybe I'll send one in also.

Those are narratives and are about as lame as is gets in the analytical industry and as such don't prove SQUAT!

Let's see them post the MS and/or the HPLCs as I have done.

Heck last I heard MH didn't know there was a difference bt an HPLC and MS

What a bunch of garbage, let's hear it for Meat Head lol!

 

[Rick Kane]

At the time, we were trying to force Karl to post his PRE-EXISTING analytical data -

We? I thought it was just Mands and Jim that did the testing.

 

[Rick Kane]

Well...at least we learned that the purity of some generics are high. If the protein concentration results are accurate, then one would assume that pinning "10ius" is the only way to go with generics ensuring that the user is getting 3-4ius. The cost of that cycle would be on par with 2-3ius of pharma gh.

After I finished Karl's gh I took a break from all hormones but will start up again in late August. My plan is to run my remaining stock of greys at 10ius/day but no AAS. I will get my baseline IGF and then once again after 4 weeks.

 

[Rick Kane]

@Colt44 I'm very interested in your IGF results on 6ius. I suspect your IGF levels will be somewhere around 600, minimum. I've seen several bloods from 5 and 6ius of pharma and they were all well over 600.

 

[mands]

I hope it doesn't get posted. Watching you try to discredit the HPLC has been enjoyable. Watching you practically beg for AS1625 has been hilarious. But watching you expose your agenda by trying SO hard to discredit a test you've already admitted you'll never accept has been priceless. I've thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this and would hate to see it end.

You are here for all the wrong reasons with this statement CBS. You are proving me correct the more and more you post.

mands

 

[heady muscle]

I had high hopes for this thread!

 

[mands]

Ask mands, remember he got pissed at when I revealed that Jim did the testing because he had only mentioned that in an email to me and it wasn't public knowledge. You guys had this whole little charade where you were trying to say that the labs tests didn't show that it was GH when you knew all along that Jim performed the tests.

I am sure that mands will remember the whole farce and back this up. But I got an even better idea. How is this, if I can dig through that massive thread and find the exact situation that I am referring to and prove you wrong, will you agree to post the Humtrope lab test? A simple yes or no will suffice?

I try not to remember lol.

Yes I was pissed at you, Jim and everyone else that attacked me or shared knowledge with the board that I could of handled on my own.

@muscle96ss you know I like you and I know why you are here. I believe the whole Western Bio-tech thread left a bad taste in a few mouths.

Yes I wish some of my friends would trust my judgement when it comes to you. I don't know why they don't because they know what I'm about and why I have been doing this.

I will add more to this discussion later. I have been busy as of late with work and getting ready for the baby.

mands

 

[mands]

I had high hopes for this thread!

I did as well. @Dr JIM and I will discuss a few things soon. I've just been extremely busy.

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

Your tirade doesn't change the facts: Mands only had a mass spec and that wasn't enough to confirm Karl's sample contained rhGH. Read Jim's words closely:

"MANDS Has posted several tests which reveal the SAMPLES he had analyzed were a high purity protein BUT nothing that confirms that protein was indeed rHGH!"​

That was a 100% factual statement. Whether Jim knew the sample contained GH and withheld that information is irrelevant to proving your case, i.e., that Jim poked holes in his own data. Jim never disputed the mass spec.

And Jim had legitimate reasons for withholding the HPLC. At the time, we were trying to force Karl to post his PRE-EXISTING analytical data - data that anyone who was manufacturing GH would most definitely have. If Jim had posted the HPLC confirming Karl had GH, Karl wouldn't have had any incentive to post his data. Instead, Karl would have taken the mass spec AND the HPLC back to his forums and used them to prove he was manufacturing GH, and then let the sales begin.

As it was, Karl never did post any PRE-EXISTING data. He couldn't post it because he didn't have it. He didn't have it because he wasn't manufacturing rhGH.

And Jim wasn't "busted" by you, you exposed his involvement by posting Mands PRIVATE MESSAGES on the open forum.

At least you have gone as far as admitting that Jim withheld information because he didn't want Karl to use it for his benefit. So basically Jim pretended that he did not do the lab tests and withheld information while casting doubt on the information posted, all in order to spin things in the direction he wanted. Hmmm, kinda sounds similar in some ways to whats going on here.

If anyone wants to read the entire 178 page clusterfuck to get the true story and see whose interpretation is correct, you are welcome to.

 

[mands]

There was nothing in that statement that wasn't factual. All Mands had been given was the mass spec that confirmed the molecular weight of Karl's sample matched that of rhGH. An HPLC was still needed to confirm the sample did in fact contain rhGH and Mands didn't have that. I don't think he's ever received the HPLC for Karl's GH. Try again.

You are correct CBS... I asked for the HPLC many times and I did NOT receive it for Karl's sample.

And of the record those 400 iu's I paid for were ordered annonymously and Karl didn't know about the testing until I had GH in my hands and pinned them for a GH serum test which I paid for as well.

mands