MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

So what is my agenda CBS, how about you post some proof of that? Or how about you post the actual lab report of AS1625-2 which is supposedly Humatrope. I am still waiting for that. I know you can't find it on google, but I would think you could find it on this site if it actually was tested and existed, don't you?

As usual MH, you're using faulty logic. You could find AS1625 on this site IF IT WAS POSTED on this site. That fact that it hasn't been posted doesn't prove it wasn't tested.

But why do you care? What is your interest in this testing? You've already stated that you'll never accept the HPLC result because it conflicts with the IGF-1s you've seen. If you aren't going to accept the results, why spend so much time on it? What's in it for you? An HPLC you'll never accept? That makes no sense.

If, as you claim, you don't sell GH, why are you devoting so much time to something you aren't going to accept. No one would do that without a financial involvement.

From my perspective, the only answer that seems plausible is that you are either reselling grey tops or are compensated in some way by GH sellers.

 

[muscle96ss]

MH-96 if there is any reason this thread has gone to shit it's YOU!

Throwing around accusations and innuendo without a shred of evidence (or what normal people consider proof) says enough about your bias.

See it's obvious no matter what I post first, second or third standard will make no difference bc YOU WILL locate some other "deficiency" to accuse me of. And to think anyone would believe your assessment of this data when is clear you haven't the faintest idea WTF your talking about, of course that's not required when one is a shill who's only purpose is to cast DOUBT!

For example, tell me Meat Head WTF would I need or use "Karl's GH" as a standard if "Jim is selling Pharm GH" Bozo?
(just one of several unsubstantiated claims you have made)

And by golly if K's GH was the standard I was using and it was of "Pharm grade quality" as you contend, what does that say about the TEN SAMPLES IVE POSTED data on!

In elementary terms for you alone MH, IF what your saying is correct (and it's NOT) whether I used K's "Ph Grade GH" or the "Ph grade I'm selling" as the standard, BOTH of these standards PROVED the same thing, the samples I TESTED WERE ALL UNDER DOSED CLOWN, LOL!

Damn your an idiot!

Then fucking post the lab test for AS1625-2. Its seems like it would be so easy to prove me wrong by simply posting the test; yet you don't. That test is the only string I have left to derail your tests; just post the test and be rid of me. If I am such a thorn, here is your chance. Lets see how bad you really want me gone. My bet is that it still doesn't get posted.

 

[muscle96ss]

If MH is in the "medical field" right as medical maintenance staff, LMFAO

More proof of how out of touch you are with REALITY!!!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Then fucking post the lab test for AS1625-2. Its seems like it would be so easy to prove me wrong by simply posting the test; yet you don't. That test is the only string I have left to derail your tests; just post the test and be rid of me. If I am such a thorn, here is your chance. Lets see how bad you really want me gone. My bet is that it still doesn't get posted.

I hope it doesn't get posted. Watching you try to discredit the HPLC has been enjoyable. Watching you practically beg for AS1625 has been hilarious. But watching you expose your agenda by trying SO hard to discredit a test you've already admitted you'll never accept has been priceless. I've thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this and would hate to see it end.

 

[muscle96ss]

Fuck off muscles.. You're just here to start shit as usual. Karl IS a fucking scammer and there are MANY members here that will attest to that. Anyone can read that Western Bio thread and come to the same conclusion.. Remember the guy in that thread that Karl was trying to fuck out of $5000?

Everyone is not happy with Karl's "GH".. As I said before, there are several shit serum tests here that were posted after you and your buddy Karl left.

Now you've got two of my friends mands and CBS at each other's throats with your bullshit.

I'll ask you again since you've ignored me every time I've fucking asked... You said a few days ago you're in the medical field and you had to "go see patients". You also claimed to be very successful in the Western Bio thread. Why the fuck would you run generics when you can get pharm? Why chance it? Why waste you're time? With the right connections, pharm can be had for a little more than what this crap costs anyway. I'm sure you have connections since you brag about using GH since the 90's.

You haven't answered me because you know there is no good answer, asshole. You're full of shit.. Please take your chump ass back to PM...

JB, without getting into details, my wife was actually making more money from me when she was unexpectedly fired from her job do to some foul play going on there. She was out of work for an entire year, partially due to the circumstances beyond her control which, until 4 months ago. So, yes, I make good money, but not enough to compensate for a 50% drop in income. So I would rather take generic GH then take money away from my kids or anything my family needs. But yes, if things were still the way they were, I would probably be taking Genotropin as much as I could.

 

[muscle96ss]

I hope it doesn't get posted. Watching you try to discredit the HPLC has been enjoyable. Watching you practically beg for AS1625 has been hilarious. But watching you expose your agenda by trying SO hard to discredit a test you've already admitted you'll never accept has been priceless. I've thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this and would hate to see it end.

So CBS, what is my agenda, where is your proof? I have asked this several times, still NOTHING!!

 

[Dr JIM]

Faulty logic? You loosing your touch mate, bc each an every one of MH-96 objections to the data I posted, were based on BULLSHIT!

Wasn't this obvious when he first entered Meso in defense of K bc he wanted, GET THIS, to know the truth about Ks GH.

Why MH proved he was a joke them and an absolute farce now, lol!

 

[muscle96ss]

Guys you want to talk about an agenda. Lets go back to Karl's GH. Mands came on ProMuscle to tell Karl that he was having his GH tested and told me in private that Jim was testing it. This was before Jim was doing a lot of testing so nobody knew Jim was doing these tests other than mands, me, and whomever Jim told(CBS). I also don't beleive that Jim knew it was Karl's GH at first that he was testing but I may be wrong on that assumption. Anyway, the test came back as pharm grade and fully dosed and so Karl came here to post the results to calm the critics who were bashing him. Jim at this point knew that the tests were the tests that he had performed. But since he thought nobody else knew, he proceeded to poke all kinds of holes in the tests and suggest that they did not show that there was GH in the vial. That was until I finally blew his cover and posted that Jim was the one that did the testing.

So what I am saying, is if Jim can take a test that he has performed and convince others that the test were performed wrong and didn't show what they did show; how can you trust him? It shows that he will lie and try to decieve people to convince people what he wants them to believe. He is doing the same shit here by denying that AS1625-2 is Karl's GH.

 

[muscle96ss]

There is a shitload of talk in this thread but very little action!!! Its funny, I am respected on every other board and have never once been accused of having an agenda. My reputation is that of a "straight-shooter". But once again everybody else is wrong, but those guys at Meso are right. Why, because Jim and CBS say so and their dictatorship rules. Still waiting for proof on my agenda and the lab test; NEITHER of which will ever be posted it looks like.

 

[heady muscle]

Seems some have accomplished their goal then...

Some and all! lol

 

[muscle96ss]

Jim and CBS, if you spent as much time and energy into fully posting and explaining the data, rather than attacking me and anyone who questions it; this issue would have been resolved a long time ago.

Now let me ask you this. Who appears to have an agenda, the guy questioning the data or the guy who refuses to answer their question or post the complete data? Why withhold important information if it would prove that I am wrong? Everybody here has seen how much anger and HATE Jim has for Karl(and me). After I have posted proof and accused Jim of using Karl's GH as the standard; don't you think that Jim and CBS would have posted the Humatrope lab test by now if it existed to prove to the world that I am wrong? In addition, if Jim used Karl's GH at the standard, do you really think he could swallow his pride and admit that he was wrong and did such a thing? This is the real reason why we will never get any answers.

 

[Colt44]

There is a shitload of talk in this thread but very little action!!! Its funny, I am respected on every other board and have never once been accused of having an agenda. My reputation is that of a "straight-shooter". But once again everybody else is wrong, but those guys at Meso are right. Why, because Jim and CBS say so and their dictatorship rules. Still waiting for proof on my agenda and the lab test; NEITHER of which will ever be posted it looks like.

Those that feel the need to talk about the respect they've earned, haven't earned much.

Do you honestly think Jim or CBS run MESO? Dictatorship? Funny.

Why is it the only time you chime in is when a certain source's GH is called into question?

 

[Colt44]

Jim and CBS, if you spent as much time and energy into fully posting and explaining the data, rather than attacking me and anyone who questions it; this issue would have been resolved a long time ago.

Now let me ask you this. Who appears to have an agenda, the guy questioning the data or the guy who refuses to answer their question or post the complete data? Why withhold important information if it would prove that I am wrong? Everybody here has seen how much anger and HATE Jim has for Karl(and me). After I have posted proof and accused Jim of using Karl's GH as the standard; don't you think that Jim and CBS would have posted the Humatrope lab test by now if it existed to prove to the world that I am wrong? In addition, if Jim used Karl's GH at the standard, do you really think he could swallow his pride and admit that he was wrong and did such a thing? This is the real reason why we will never get any answers.

What are you attempting to prove by Jim admitting that's Karl's GH was used as the standard?

 

[muscle96ss]

Those that feel the need to talk about the respect they've earned, haven't earned much.

Do you honestly think Jim or CBS run MESO? Dictatorship? Funny.

Why is it the only time you chime in is when a certain source's GH is called into question?

I have also chimed in about AAS sources as well. But when it comes to GH, there is so much misinformation out there it is ridiculous. So, I like to get more involved in areas that I feel I can make a difference. For intance, suppose that I am correct here and the GH's are accurately dosed. Wouldn't that be a game changer for a lot of people? Think about it, you are taking 6iu of Genotropin right now think it is actually 3iu. Don't you want to know the truth?

I could just walk away from this thread and my life would be unchanged(actually I would have more free time on my hands). But I have gotten where I am in life by sticking up for what I believe and being persistent. Thats who I am, and that isn't going to change.

 

[muscle96ss]

What are you attempting to prove by Jim admitting that's Karl's GH was used as the standard?

Because the number 3.72 used in the equation then is wrong. We are currently being told that the number 3.72 currently signifies an 11iu sample of Humatrope. Karls GH was not 11iu and incidently, Humatrope doesn't come in an 11iu size either. Therefore, I want to see the actual lab report where the number 3.72 was derived. I believe it was derived from taking Karl's GH, which was said to have 1.86 mg of protein and multiplying it by 2 to account for 20iu's so that it can be fairly compared to the 10iu vials(1.86 x 2 =3.72). However, that 1.86 number has been a point of contention since Karls GH(AS1625-2) was first tested as that would imply that there is slightly under 8iu in the sample and not 20iu; therefore it shouldn't even be used as a standard. Let me know if this doesn't make sense and I will try to explain it better.

 

[ProfessorX]

So...uh...yea....back to the subject of testing. Funny how there is a list of UGLs recently tested. Quite a few are "overdosed" according to the test results. Nobody questions that....anyway..

Hear is an ANSOMONE test result
Batch No. 20140804 EXP. 201607
Is there any info on the ANSOMONE that was tested here other than the concentration found? Batch No. / Exp Date, etc?


This is something mentioned by SIMEC from another GH Sample tested

I'm having a GodTropin and AngTropin sample tested. Can anyone point me in the right direction where these famous "Grey Tops" can be found. Maybe I'll send one in also.

 

[muscle96ss]

So...uh...yea....back to the subject of testing. Funny how there is a list of UGLs recently tested. Quite a few are "overdosed" according to the test results. Nobody questions that....anyway..

Hear is an ANSOMONE test result
Batch No. 20140804 EXP. 201607View attachment 27490
Is there any info on the ANSOMONE that was tested here other than the concentration found? Batch No. / Exp Date, etc?

View attachment 27491
This is something mentioned by SIMEC from another GH Sample tested

I'm having a GodTropin and AngTropin sample tested. Can anyone point me in the right direction where these famous "Grey Tops" can be found. Maybe I'll send one in also.

They originate from either TP(the provider at ProMuscle), HK(Homerkahn at Outlaw), or PD(Platinum Direct at AB).

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Lets go back to Karl's GH. Mands came on ProMuscle to tell Karl that he was having his GH tested and told me in private that Jim was testing it.

I also don't beleive that Jim knew it was Karl's GH at first that he was testing but I may be wrong on that assumption.

Jim at this point knew that the tests were the tests that he had performed. But since he thought nobody else knew, he proceeded to poke all kinds of holes in the tests and suggest that they did not show that there was GH in the vial. That was until I finally blew his cover and posted that Jim was the one that did the testing.

So what I am saying, is if Jim can take a test that he has performed and convince others that the test were performed wrong and didn't show what they did show; how can you trust him? It shows that he will lie and try to decieve people to convince people what he wants them to believe. He is doing the same shit here by denying that AS1625-2 is Karl's GH.

You've officially lost your mind. You're batshit crazy. Jim didn't poke holes in his own test. Not one time. I know exactly what was discussed in that thread and you're dead wrong. You tried to pull this shit back then and were called out for it at the time. I guess you think enough time has passed that people have forgotten what transpired. I haven't.

Prove Jim poked holes in his own test. Let's see your evidence.

 

[muscle96ss]

You've officially lost your mind. You're batshit crazy. Jim didn't poke holes in his own test. Not one time. I know exactly what was discussed in that thread and you're dead wrong. You tried to pull this shit back then and were called out for it at the time. I guess you think enough time has passed that people have forgotten what transpired. I haven't.

Prove Jim poked holes in his own test. Let's see your evidence.

Ask mands, remember he got pissed at when I revealed that Jim did the testing because he had only mentioned that in an email to me and it wasn't public knowledge. You guys had this whole little charade where you were trying to say that the labs tests didn't show that it was GH when you knew all along that Jim performed the tests.

I am sure that mands will remember the whole farce and back this up. But I got an even better idea. How is this, if I can dig through that massive thread and find the exact situation that I am referring to and prove you wrong, will you agree to post the Humtrope lab test? A simple yes or no will suffice?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I've never even actually seen a single UGL overcome the extreme level of scrutiny and bias here. They tear everyone down eventually. Even the better ones. If PM is on one end of the spectrum, then Meso is certainly on the other end.

Several have passed the scrutiny. But no one has torn them down - at least none of the "better ones." They did that themselves - either by scamming or selling bunk. The only source at Meso that has managed to last longer than a year is Naps.

You are right about PM and Meso being at opposite ends of the spectrum, though. PM's mods censor the information you're allowed to see because they're bought and paid for by their advertisers. Meso is uncensored and has no mods.

I still don't really know what to believe about the concentration results. It appears some of these guys do have access to near pharm quality gh though. That's surprising actually.

It's not surprising if they are stepping on pharm grade.

But this thread has been disappointing in terms of the division, fighting and lack of cooperation.

It's amazing how easy it is for sources to sow discord and confusion when objective tests show their product is underdosed or bunk. You'd think people would be aware by now that that's what sources do in these situations.