MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[mands]

On another note @Dr JIM and I agree on many things and there are a few things we DO NOT agree on.

I will not let this thread derail or debunk my friendship with JIM again I do know that.

I hope we can get back on track for all the right reasons and hopefully work with the community and try and see what's best for all.

mands

 

[heady muscle]

On another note @Dr JIM and I agree on many things and there are a few things we DO NOT agree on.

I will not let this thread derail or debunk my friendship with JIM again I do know that.

I hope we can get back on track for all the right reasons and hopefully work with the community and try and see what's best for all.

mands

Nice to hear

 

[Dr JIM]

Your tirade doesn't change the facts: Mands only had a mass spec and that wasn't enough to confirm Karl's sample contained rhGH. Read Jim's words closely:

"MANDS Has posted several tests which reveal the SAMPLES he had analyzed were a high purity protein BUT nothing that confirms that protein was indeed rHGH!"​

That was a 100% factual statement. Whether Jim knew the sample contained GH and withheld that information is irrelevant to proving your case, i.e., that Jim poked holes in his own data. Jim never disputed the mass spec.

And Jim had legitimate reasons for withholding the HPLC. At the time, we were trying to force Karl to post his PRE-EXISTING analytical data - data that anyone who was manufacturing GH would most definitely have. If Jim had posted the HPLC confirming Karl had GH, Karl wouldn't have had any incentive to post his data. Instead, Karl would have taken the mass spec AND the HPLC back to his forums and used them to prove he was manufacturing GH, and then let the sales begin.

As it was, Karl never did post any PRE-EXISTING data. He couldn't post it because he didn't have it. He didn't have it because he wasn't manufacturing rhGH.

And Jim wasn't "busted" by you, you exposed his involvement by posting Mands PRIVATE MESSAGES on the open forum.

Jim hasn't posted this or that and I'm not going to bc you say I need to Meat Head.

WTF would I post any more data for you to try to "poke holes in".

You've already attempted that

 

[Dr JIM]

@Colt44 I'm very interested in your IGF results on 6ius. I suspect your IGF levels will be somewhere around 600, minimum. I've seen several bloods from 5 and 6ius of pharma and they were all well over 600.

5-6 IU's of Pharma and a STUDY that shows IGFS in the 600 range, that I'd like to see!

One should be very cautious about using IGF data posted on "the net" from those we don't know.

Oh I too want to see Colts IGF data bc I believe he can be trusted to post legit info

 

[muscle96ss]

Jim hasn't posted this or that and I'm not going to bc you say I need to Meat Head.

WTF would I post any more data for you to try to "poke holes in".

You've already attempted that

If there aren't any holes to poke then there shouldn't be any issues. What are you afraid of? All you are doing is posting a report that confirms that AS1625-2 is Humatrope where it was established to be of concentration 3.72mg/ml. That seems pretty easy and straightforward.

I don't know about you, but if I had something easy accessible that would silence someone that I hate and prove them without a shadow of a doubt wrong, make them look like a fool, and put an end to everyone's questions; I would post it in a heartbeat. The fact that you have that chance to do that to me but don't; tells me that this Humatrope standard does not exist.

Let me take this one step further and refer back to Karl's thread one more time. In that thread, at one point, you thought that what Karl was doing was rebottling pharm GH and selling it as if it was his own and claiming he produced it. You even suggested that it was Humatrope that he was rebottling in post#649 of that thread. So, it is my belief that you used AS1625-2 as your standard based on your belief that it was Humatrope and therefore are now calling it Humatrope.

Please prove me wrong. Here's your chance Jim, post this mysterious test of AS1625-2 and show the world how wrong I am. Its that simple to make me look like a fool!!!

 

[roastdawg]

5-6 IU's of Pharma and a STUDY that shows IGFS in the 600 range, that I'd like to see!

One should be very cautious about using IGF data posted on "the net" from those we don't know.

Oh I too want to see Colts IGF data bc I believe he can be trusted to post legit info

Are igf numbers the be all end all of gh testing? If your igf is elevated way above baseline is it surely good gh or is there more to it?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Let me take this one step further and refer back to Karl's thread one more time. In that thread, at one point, you thought that what Karl was doing was rebottling pharm GH and selling it as if it was his own and claiming he produced it. You even suggested that it was Humatrope that he was rebottling in post#649 of that thread. So, it is my belief that you used AS1625-2 as your standard based on your belief that it was Humatrope and therefore are now calling it Humatrope.

It would have been impossible to determine the purity of Karl's GH without already having a standard to use for comparison.

Do you see how silly your objections are? Rhetorical question, of course.

 

[Dr JIM]

Although there is a correlation bt
the dose of GH used and one's IGF level the correlation is not absolute.

That's to say while some may double their IGF values at X IUs, the same dose may result in a tripling or quadrupling in other patients.

You wanna know how "good" that generic is your running? Probably the best means of doing that is to compare
YOUR Pharmaceutical and generic GH IGF levels. Anything short of that approaches a guessing game IMO

Sorry guys there are no simple answers here, but there are ways to improve the odds the samples assays we've posted are a damn good start IMO.

Now if we only had IGF levels perhaps more definitive conclusions could be reached.

 

[muscle96ss]

It would have been impossible to determine the purity of Karl's GH without already having a standard to use for comparison.

Do you see how silly your objections are? Rhetorical question, of course.

Were not talking about purity, we are talking about concentration!!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Were not talking about purity, we are talking about concentration!!

Now you're arguing semantics. There is nothing you won't grasp at to discredit the HPLC.

 

[mands]

Now you're arguing semantics. There is nothing you won't grasp at to discredit the HPLC.

What HPLC? I think he wants to see the standards HPLC and the new standards. You are making this thread worse that have NOT been posted.

I address your misinterpretation of the t4 thread a little later sleuth king.

mands

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

What HPLC? I think he wants to see the standards HPLC and the new standards. You are making this thread worse that have NOT been posted.

You better reread the last few posts. You're confused.

I address your misinterpretation of the t4 thread a little later sleuth king.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[mands]

You better reread the last few posts. You're confused.



I won't hold my breath.

I agree about having a standard to test.

I guess I'm confused about the HPLC? It was posted? I'm sure that's what @muscle96ss was referring to...

mands

 

[mands]

@CensoredBoardsSuck I'm going to apologize for attacking you and making this thread another MESO horror story. Which only seems to happen when your involved.

I will step back and let others realize that you are a fraud. You are pretending to be something you are not.

It's sad that you only have the internet to give any feedback about PED's or AAS and no real life experience.

You can go around and try and discredit me or whatever you want to do, but put us on the internet or in a room together. Guess what? 99% of anyone seeking advise on Training, Diet, AAS, PED's, competing, etc. will come to me for advise. I'm good with that phony man.

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

Now you're arguing semantics. There is nothing you won't grasp at to discredit the HPLC.

I was just playing your game CBS; which is, "Hey I have nothing to contribute to this thread, but since Jim is my bud I will try to create distractions to make things more difficult for this muscle96ss guy".

But since you have brought up the standard and Karl's lab test, lets go there. If you recall correctly(which you don't), there was contention about how the concentration was calculated in that test as well(I have even mentioned it in this thread several times). You see, we were told that Karl's GH was accurately dosed, but the test showed that there was 1.86mg of protein in the vial; which equals under 8iu. So back in Karl's thread this concentration issue was asked but ignored and never addressed(what a shocker).

So CBS, since you brought it up; perhaps you can go back to Karl's test(incidentally where his GH was termed AS1625-2) and show us what standard was used. You've already stated that you have not seen the Humatrope lab test and I am willing to bet you have no knowledge of the standard used to calculate Karl's GH's concentration either. So why do you keep bringing up shit that is useless and of know help? The more you suck on Jim's right nut, the more foolish it makes you look.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

@CensoredBoardsSuck I'm going to apologize for attacking you and making this thread another MESO horror story. Which only seems to happen when your involved.

I will step back and let others realize that you are a fraud. You are pretending to be something you are not.

It's sad that you only have the internet to give any feedback about PED's or AAS and no real life experience.

You can go around and try and discredit me or whatever you want to do, but put us on the internet or in a room together. Guess what? 99% of anyone seeking advise on Training, Diet, AAS, PED's, competing, etc. will come to me for advise. I'm good with that phony man.

mands

So you apologize for attacking me, and then spend the rest of your post attacking me. Fascinating.

Are you feeling alright, Mands? Sounds like your medication needs another adjustment.

 

[muscle96ss]

So you apologize for attacking me, and then spend the rest of your post attacking me. Fascinating.

Are you feeling alright, Mands? Sounds like your medication needs another adjustment.

I think what he means is that he does not need to attack you in this thread anymore, because everytime you make a post, it becomes more obvious that you have nothing positive to contribute to this thread.

 

[mands]

So you apologize for attacking me, and then spend the rest of your post attacking me. Fascinating.

Are you feeling alright, Mands? Sounds like your medication needs another adjustment.

I can guarantee I'm on zero prescribed meds besides the following:
1. Testosterone
2. Nandrolone
3. HGH
4. Hcg
5. Nolvadex

I can almost guarantee your old crazy depressed anxiety ass is on at least 4 types of meds.

Try again troll! Damn fell for your shit again.

mands

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I was just playing your game CBS; which is, "Hey I have nothing to contribute to this thread, but since Jim is my bud I will try to create distractions to make things more difficult for this muscle96ss guy".

But since you have brought up the standard and Karl's lab test, lets go there. If you recall correctly(which you don't), there was contention about how the concentration was calculated in that test as well(I have even mentioned it in this thread several times). You see, we were told that Karl's GH was accurately dosed, but the test showed that there was 1.86mg of protein in the vial; which equals under 8iu. So back in Karl's thread this concentration issue was asked but ignored and never addressed(what a shocker).

So CBS, since you brought it up; perhaps you can go back to Karl's test(incidentally where his GH was termed AS1625-2) and show us what standard was used. You've already stated that you have not seen the Humatrope lab test and I am willing to bet you have no knowledge of the standard used to calculate Karl's GH's concentration either. So why do you keep bringing up shit that is useless and of know help? The more you suck on Jim's right nut, the more foolish it makes you look.

I don't give a flying fuck about Jim's HPLCs. They mean absolutely nothing to me. I care about the truth, and the truth is, I see two clowns in this thread that thought they had the golden goose with grey tops and the HPLC was their ticket to ride all the way to the bank. Only the HPLC didn't turn out the way they had hoped. Instead, it fucked up their plans and now it must be discredited at all costs in order to keep the dream alive. I'm posting here with the intent of ensuring that dream doesn't become reality - at least on this forum. So you'll have to forgive me for not giving a shit about what value YOU bozos place on my posts.

 

[muscle96ss]

You keep talking about money and suggesting that I am selling GH or are make money off of them somehow. I will ask you once again to post ANY proof whatsoever. Are you going to make another diversion or are you going to back up what you say and post it??? Think about it, why would you post something like that for the world to see without proof, even if you didn't like that person? Why would I be so open about my profession and my personal life if I was selling drugs? So lets see some evidence; otherwise I suggest you shut your mouth.