MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[Dr JIM]

Jim, that was an old IGF test. I'm 44 now. Do you believe my IGF baseline is somehow higher now?

Of course not since IGF levels decline with age along with GH but that matters not bc if it's been "that long" your baseline remains largely unknown

Besides I specifically mentioned STUDIES that reveal an IGF increase of 600 from 4 IUs of GH

 

[Dr JIM]

Why go off someones opinion? I'd test it again. Every time you start a GH run. Leaves nothing to guess

I'm not saying that's necessary but unless and until ones IGF baseline is reasonably well established it should be repeated at least annually or semiannually for those running GH.

 

[Rick Kane]

Good post but I don't see where anyone developed an IGF level change of 600 from anything close to 4 IU's.

Incidentally this is not 2002 but 2015 and the way I talk about generics is based on the EVIDENCE I've collated bc UGLS refuse to post any legitimate analytical data about the under dosed "GH" they are selling!

Jim, based on the study I posted Colt's baseline + 6ius should put him at around 570. Not exactly but somewhere in that ballpark. If his genos are under dosed, like you told him, his igf should be closer to 400.
It's not an exact science but it should give him an idea of how many ius he's using and in turn corroborate your findings. Don't you agree?

 

[Colt44]

I'm not saying that's necessary but unless and until ones IGF baseline is reasonably well established it should be repeated at least annually or semiannually for those running GH.

Makes sense. I'm just saying it'll leave nothing to chance.

 

[Rick Kane]

Of course not since IGF levels decline with age along with GH but that matters not bc if it's been "that long" your baseline remains largely unknown

Besides I specifically mentioned STUDIES that reveal an IGF increase of 600 from 4 IUs of GH

Can you show me where I claimed 4ius increased igf levels to 600? Why are you talking about 4ius?

 

[Colt44]

Can you show me where I claimed 4ius increased igf levels to 600? Why are you talking about 4ius?

It was 6iu were speaking of I believe?

 

[Rick Kane]

It was 6iu were speaking of I believe?

I know. You or I never said anything about 4ius. Btw, when are you getting your bloods?

 

[Colt44]

I know. You or I never said anything about 4ius. Btw, when are you getting your bloods?

Friday. So I probably won't have them until early the following week I assume.

 

[Dr JIM]

No, bc Colt does does not know his baseline and extrapolating the results from a single study cohort to ONE PERSON oversimplifies individual IGF variance.

AS AN EXAMPLE while the mean IGF could have been 600 at 10IUs the individual variance is MUCH larger often ranging from 300 to as much as 900!

I know what your describing is what forum members want such as; take the dose of GH and multiply it by a factor of X to determine the expected rise in IGF.

Well sorry but it just not that simplistic IF you want reliable data.

The best course is to establish one's baseline then run Pharm grade and compare that IGF level to generic at the same dosage.

Alternatively if you want to KNOW the concentration of GH in a vial of generic then the standard would be to TEST THE VIAL CONTENTS and NOT someone's IGF blood result. The latter suggestion is just silly and not the least bit evidence based.

 

[Colt44]

No, bc Colt does does not know his baseline and extrapolating the results from a single study cohort to ONE PERSON oversimplifies individual IGF variance.

Yes he does. Located here:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/astro-labs-genotropin-gh-serum-igf-1-2015-05.134365097/

I do nothing half-assed Jim.

 

[Colt44]

In addition, I have a kit of Serostim I'm going to run at the same dose for the same period and test igf levels for comparison.

 

[muscle96ss]

MH it matters NOT what I've posted or would/could or should post you WILL make every effort to blindly make attempts to discount it all.

So exclusive of the non-evidentiary adversarial comments (AKA BULLSHIT) you have posted on this and K's Western Bio's thread, enlighten us all, HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING OF USE TO THE MEMBERS OF MESO, NOT!

Jim, why are you still not posting the information asked about the standard, not only by me, by others whom support you? You are smart enough to realize that posting it would shut me up and prove I am wrong, plus make me look foolish. Trust me, if that opportunity existed, you would be all over it. The fact that you don't take it proves that you are hiding something.

While you may refuse to post it now; this issue will not go away. You do realize that not 1 GH test thus far has come back even close to being properly dosed, not even the pharm grade. Ironically, they are all almost the exact same percent underdosed. Doesn't that strike you as odd? When something looks odd, do you just blindly accept it? For me, I question it until it either makes sense or I find out what happened. Thats simply whats being done here. I have enough first hand experience, real world experience, and research to know for a fact that something is wrong. Its not that I am 99% sure, I am 100% positive. If there were only 4iu of GH in all those vials tested, I would be absolutely blown away shocked beyond belief. It would be similar to someone telling me that my son is actually not my son; that is how positive I am. So I continue to stick up for what I believe in while you can continue to ignorantly think that I somehow have money involved in this. I am not sure if that is what you honestly believe or if that is just a way to deflect and invalidate my questions and experience.

However, eventually down the road with more testing, when nothing ever come backs dosed correctly, and more pharm grade samples are tested, people are going to figure out that something is wrong and maybe that muscles guy was right. Why wait til then when we can deal with it now? So Jim, prove me wrong, don't you want to do that?

 

[Colt44]

I didn't believe a word he said originally(and pestered him daily to get my money back), but in the end I got to know him and we became friends and he came through and made things right.

That friendship is the reason your word on the topic isn't trusted. Especially not here. I am somewhat giving you the benefit of the doubt(Not that my opinion means anything) because Mands said you had good intentions and I don't believe he would lie.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Yeah, whats funny is you don't even know the story behind me and Karl. I originally couldn't stand the guy and thought he was a scammer because he was scamming me. I tried to get him banned at PM. We talked almost everyday via e-mail and he would let me know the details of what he was working on and how it would all play out over time. I didn't believe a word he said originally(and pestered him daily to get my money back), but in the end I got to know him and we became friends and he came through and made things right. So when he came to Meso and people didn't believe his story, there were still parts that I was having trouble believing; but I had a lot of insight into what was going on behind the scenes. I also had a lot of insight into the person he was to be able to predict future action. In other words, I knew that Karl was serious about selling a high quality non-chinese GH to fill that void in the market. To this day, I still believe Karl is selling a high quality product. However, I personally do not use his product as my serum GH and IGF-1 scores were on the low side compare to other GH's I have used. I would compare it to Serostim in terms of comparison in terms of my bloodwork and physical results. But others have reported excellent results and love his GH. So, I have nothing negative to say about it.

So, I am not sure how someone who understands what has transpired can say that I am selling or making money off of Karl's GH.

One more thing. In all the years I have been doing this NEVER have I received free product or money from ANYONE in exchange for me working for them or helping to promote their product. The majority of the testing I have done on my own with my own money. However, a small amount has been done where the sponsor will send 1 kit for me to do a serum, which I pay for. That has become the norm lately over at PM where the sponsors will pick several vets and send them a kit in exchange for them doing a serum. However, I am picky about what sponsors I will do that for and have refused several of them(i.e. Americatropin, MG), because I don't trust them and don't want to falsely lead people into thinking they are legit when they send me good GH(knowing that they will probabably send bad GH to their customers).

So before people start to judge me and accuse me of having an agenda, I suggest you get to know me and what I am all about. I could very easily have been like some of the guys on PM who jump from sponsor to sponsor, getting free product for pimping their wares. But thats now what I am all about and never will.

Shut the fuck up already. You think anyone here cares how your love story started with Karl?!

You've brought his name up countless times in this thread for no real reason...

Actually one could speculate..

 

[Dr JIM]

Yes he does. Located here:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/astro-labs-genotropin-gh-serum-igf-1-2015-05.134365097/

I do nothing half-assed Jim.

My error I thought you had said you didn't have a baseline IGF by PM but I misread your post.

Incidentally, if I thought you were doing a "half ass" job of testing I would have said exactly that.

Heck your the ONLY ONE who has delivered squat and why would I criticize that?

What "friendship" are you referring to?

 

[Colt44]

My error I thought you had said you didn't have a baseline IGF by PM but misread your post.

What "friendship" are you referring to?

Muscles posted he and K were friends. Big surprise. Lol

 

[muscle96ss]

Shut the fuck up already. You think anyone here cares how your love story started with Karl?!

You've brought his name up countless times in this thread for no real reason...

Actually one could speculate..

For no reason? AS1625-2 is the name given to Karl's GH, I already posted the link. Whether or not you and your cronies want to believe it, that is the GH that Jim used as his standard. Thats the reason that Jim will never admit it, because of how laughable and how much of an embarassment it would be. So, yes, of course his name will be brought up when its his GH that you are comparing these to. What, you say it isn't?? Well then prove it? Don't you think if you had any evidence that proved the contrary you would post it up by now? Why deny and attack, when you can speak volumes more by simply proving?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

For no reason? AS1625-2 is the name given to Karl's GH, I already posted the link. Whether or not you and your cronies want to believe it, that is the GH that Jim used as his standard. Thats the reason that Jim will never admit it, because of how laughable and how much of an embarassment it would be. So, yes, of course his name will be brought up when its his GH that you are comparing these to. What, you say it isn't?? Well then prove it? Don't you think if you had any evidence that proved the contrary you would post it up by now? Why deny and attack, when you can speak volumes more by simply proving?

Your posts are proving it!! Holy shit...

Jim already explained the sample number and you know that!!

You're just here to piss Jim off because his testing doesn't suit your interests, it's blatantly apparent. This guy is spending a lot of his time, not to mention thousands of dollars, on testing and all you want to see happen is that it ends..

 

[Dr JIM]

Muscles posted he and K were friends. Big surprise. Lol

I suspected that was the case, but they were friends, no, you don't say

I think JB drove them together haha, you know birds of feather flock together

 

[Colt44]

I suspected that was the case, but they were friends, no, you don't say

I think JB drove them together haha, you know birds of feather flock together

JB and K are besties. Everyone knows that... hahaha