MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

You obviously have a reading comprehension issue. The only reason Karl was brought into the conversation was because his GH was named AS1625-2 by Jim and is the standard used in all these tests. So, if you consider Karl a joke, then the jokes on you!!!! And you are the ones that keep talking about Karl , I only respond in defense to your ludicrous and ignorant allegations. First I am selling the greys, now I am selling Karl's GH, now I am a douch bag because I can't explain to you the details of Karl's tests and don't care to. No matter what I say, some schmuck comes up with stupid-ass irrelevant comment!
I just find it shady and hilarious that the guy who's been smoking K's pole all day , all of a sudden knows nothing. :rolleyes:
 
I wish Jim would address the standard. I'm not sure of m96's intentions but regardless his argument about the standard being used sure sounds legit. Would be really strange to have two tests both with the name of AS1625-2. For a guy like myself that is just trying to follow along it sure seems like m96 might be onto something here regardless of what his true intentions are. If he's way off then I'd like to know but it looks like Jim is the only one that can clear that up at this point. Either way it's been a solid thread!
 
No I don't care to explain, I have nothing to do with the tests and have never analyzed them myself. To me, coming from the manufacturer, they don't hold the same weight as a true independent unbiased test. The only reason I posted them is that when Jim was going off on one of his ego trip saturday night; he stated that if I would post the tests Karl promised to post many moons ago, he would post the information on the standard. While I completely disagree that one should be dependent upon the other, I have given him the information requested. What you guys do with that information, I could care less, I just want to get the issue of the standard resolved. Now if I truly believe that all these generics were 4iu and am just acting as a "hired gun" as Ben has said(and CBS, Jim, and JB have implied); then why would I goto all this trouble to get something posted, that when posted would prove me wrong? As long as Jim continues to INTENTIONALLY withhold the information, he is only proving me right!! Hopefully he is at least a man of his word and will adhere to his end of the agreement so that we can move forward!!
Why are you going to all the trouble to prove/disprove tests on our board that are unfavorable, but your fuck buddy k has a favorable test and you know nothing about the report? you Don't care to investigate or refute any part of it, but you waste endless hours dissecting ours? you must know how ridiculous and financially self serving (Assuming you are doing this for money... I heard your wife lost her job, so you gotta do what you gotta do, right?) you made yourself look and sound with this dumbassed post, don't you?
 
Why are you going to all the trouble to prove/disprove tests on our board that are unfavorable, but your fuck buddy k has a favorable test and you know nothing about the report? you Don't care to investigate or refute any part of it, but you waste endless hours dissecting ours? you must know how ridiculous and financially self serving (Assuming you are doing this for money... I heard your wife lost her job, so you gotta do what you gotta do, right?) you made yourself look and sound with this dumbassed post, don't you?

Don't even fucking go there, you are crossing the line when you start to get personal there chester the molester.
 
Don't even fucking go there, you are crossing the line when you start to get personal there chester the molester.

Don't go there? You're the one who first brought it up!

Brutus and JohnnyB both raised valid points. Why so much interest in discrediting Jim's test but you haven't even looked at Karl's? Let me guess, the fact that Jim's showed the GH was bunk and Karl's showed it was legit had nothing to do with it, right?
 
I think I'll just make a new thread. lol
Don't go there? You're the one who first brought it up!

Brutus and JohnnyB both raised valid points. Why so much interest in discrediting Jim's test but you haven't even looked at Karl's? Let me guess, the fact that Jim's showed the GH was bunk and Karl's showed it was legit had nothing to do with it, right?
I think he was talking about the personal things about his wife CBS!

I don't think he's discrediting the test but thinks there was an oversight on the concentration.

I really don't think there is much more to it than that.

mands
 
For someone who's supposedly all about GH testing I find it extremely odd you say you've never analyzed or looked at the tests. You come here trying to poke holes in Jim's tests but can't be bothered to read Karl's bullshit tests? Maybe because you know they're bullshit... It's hilarious you're claiming ignorance here..



No, you brought up Karl and the Western Bio bullshit way before you saw the sample number that you've been harping on for the past week. It's all right here in the thread. No on is constantly bringing up Karl's name but you..

Jim already clarified why the sample numbers are the same, you just won't let it go. You're starting to look just a little insane here.

Quit playing games and acting like a dumbass!! I brought up Karl's name for 2 reasons:

1.) Because his GH is being used as the standard. Yes, Jim explained the one in a million sample number coincidence just like the patriots explained why their balls were deflated. Anyone with half a brain cell saw right through that excuse.

2.) I used Karl as an example of a situation where Jim withheld test results and deceived people into thinking that the tests showed something other than what it really showed. Hmmm, does that situation sound similar to whats going on here?

While you guys seem to ignore those 2 IMPORTANT areas for the discussion, you seem to focus on EVERYTHING else about Karl as a deflection. As far as Karl's GH goes, I have used it and serum tested and IGF-1 tested it as well. So I know that it was good quality GH. So I don't need to analyze a test that Karl performed himself on his own GH as I know that he obviously posted it because it makes GH looks good. The only reason I posted it is because Jim requested it and was going to post the standard in return. WHERE THE FUCK IS PART JIM PROMISED IN RETURN?????

Look, if you want to have a debate on Karl's GH, there is already a 187 page thread on his GH which turned into a shit storm like this but 10x worse(yes its 187pages). Absolutely nothing was accomplished regarding Karl's GH in that thread, so debating it here isn't going to change that. In fact nothing is ever accomplished on this board because every UGL is a scammer and everyone that comes on here to question you is either a shill or has money involved.
 
Don't go there? You're the one who first brought it up!

Brutus and JohnnyB both raised valid points. Why so much interest in discrediting Jim's test but you haven't even looked at Karl's? Let me guess, the fact that Jim's showed the GH was bunk and Karl's showed it was legit had nothing to do with it, right?

see above
 
I think I'll just make a new thread. lol

I think he was talking about the personal things about his wife CBS!

I don't think he's discrediting the test but thinks there was an oversight on the concentration.

I really don't think there is much more to it than that.

mands

MH is the one who said money was tight because his wife lost her job, and that was the reason he uses generics instead of pharma.

Now he's throwing out the chomo accusation? And you think this guy is gtg?

And yes, there's more to it than that. Much more. The pro-Karl position he held and the shit he stirred up in the Wester Bio thread about waiting for Karl to post his tests, and now he says he hasn't even looked at the data? Come on!
 
MH is the one who said money was tight because his wife lost her job, and that was the reason he uses generics instead of pharma.

Now he's throwing out the chomo accusation? And you think this guy is gtg?

And yes, there's more to it than that. Much more. The pro-Karl position he held and the shit he stirred up in the Wester Bio thread about waiting for Karl to post his tests, and now he says he hasn't even looked at the data? Come on!
Yeah I see what you mean on the last statement.

I don't agree bringing up family members when trying to bust balls. You can say all you want about me but when you bring wife, mother, father and especially kids it's crossing the line. Just my opinion though.

I think muscless has a lot to offer but being from PM gives everyone red flags I guess. I've talked to him many times over email and I believe his intentions are in the right place.

mands
 
Don't even fucking go there, you are crossing the line when you start to get personal there chester the molester.
You are the one that mentioned it... do I need to hunt the post up asshole? I am checking my calendar and I am pretty much at the point where you just crossed into Italian muscle territory. I could have said "that broke bitch that forces you to pin generics despite your many promuscle scams"... but I simply restated what you said. She lost her job. Care to retool any molester bullshit comments, or should the most foul mouthed person you ever met in your entire life haunt every single post you make for the remainder of your life on this board?
 
MH is the one who said money was tight because his wife lost her job, and that was the reason he uses generics instead of pharma.

Now he's throwing out the chomo accusation? And you think this guy is gtg?

And yes, there's more to it than that. Much more. The pro-Karl position he held and the shit he stirred up in the Wester Bio thread about waiting for Karl to post his tests, and now he says he hasn't even looked at the data? Come on!

Dude, crawl back into your hole!! I was asked why I didn't use pharm GH all the time since I make good money. My reply was that while I make good money, our family income was cut in half for an entire year. So, I choose to make cuts and use generic GH instead and not pharm instead of making cuts that would harm my family. Thats what any reasonable upstanding person would do. To imply that I resorted to drug sales and would risk my occupation and my family in order to make up for the financial loss is fucking ludicrous and taking things too far!! And to start making implications like this shows your REAL TRUE character.

Now back to Karl, I made my explanation above as to why Karl was brought into it. The tests I post WERE UPON JIMS REQUEST!!!! They are tests that Karl performed on his own with his own GH. They are considered biased tests. I am sure they show how great his GH is. So why would I analyze them. I looked at them briefly and thats about all I do with any GH test that is posted from the manufacture. If you want to analyze them then go ahead, but do it in the Western Biotech thread, not here.
 
You are the one that mentioned it... do I need to hunt the post up asshole? I am checking my calendar and I am pretty much at the point where you just crossed into Italian muscle territory. I could have said "that broke bitch that forces you to pin generics despite your many promuscle scams"... but I simply restated what you said. She lost her job. Care to retool any molester bullshit comments, or should the most foul mouthed person you ever met in your entire life haunt every single post you make for the remainder of your life on this board?

Brutus, you said,"Assuming you are doing this for money... I heard your wife lost her job, so you gotta do what you gotta do, right?" . My interpretation of that is extremely disrespectful and when someone says shit like that then you better believe I am going to come out swinging. You recant what you said and I will gladly do the same. I think thats fair.
 
Brutus, you said,"Assuming you are doing this for money... I heard your wife lost her job, so you gotta do what you gotta do, right?" . My interpretation of that is extremely disrespectful and when someone says shit like that then you better believe I am going to come out swinging. You recant what you said and I will gladly do the same. I think thats fair.

Get a grip, he didn't say anything derogatory about your wife. He pointed out something YOU said a few days ago. You're the one that crossed the line.
 
Brutus, you said,"Assuming you are doing this for money... I heard your wife lost her job, so you gotta do what you gotta do, right?" . My interpretation of that is extremely disrespectful and when someone says shit like that then you better believe I am going to come out swinging. You recant what you said and I will gladly do the same. I think thats fair.
I will assume we grew up different and recant. Where I come from a wife comment is a fight and calling someone a fucking molester is far more than a physical altercation. It is what it is. One of the days I will meet the fucking person who started that rumor... I have a great many people fishing for his info. I will teach him a lesson similar to the ones taught to incarcerated pedophiles. I have an erection just thinking about it. Little shivers up and down my spine.
 
Yeah I see what you mean on the last statement.

I don't agree bringing up family members when trying to bust balls. You can say all you want about me but when you bring wife, mother, father and especially kids it's crossing the line. Just my opinion though.

I think muscless has a lot to offer but being from PM gives everyone red flags I guess. I've talked to him many times over email and I believe his intentions are in the right place.

mands

Maybe they are but the way he acts here raises questions. He does a great job as portraying himself as a real jerk motherfucker every time he comes around.

Both you and Jim have put a lot of time, effort and money into this. He's not helping at all and has been derailing this thread into dozens of different directions for weeks now.
 
Get a grip, he didn't say anything derogatory about your wife. He pointed out something YOU said a few days ago. You're the one that crossed the line.

It was the implication made along with it. I used my wife in an answer to one of your questions. I am a straight-shooter and don't mind sharing personal info as I have nothing to hide. But don't bring my wife back into the conversation later and use that story to imply that I am drug dealer!! If you don't understand this then you are beyond help. There is an unwritten line that you don't cross and brutus crossed that line.
 
I will assume we grew up different and recant. Where I come from a wife comment is a fight and calling someone a fucking molester is far more than a physical altercation. It is what it is. One of the days I will meet the fucking person who started that rumor... I have a great many people fishing for his info. I will teach him a lesson similar to the ones taught to incarcerated pedophiles. I have an erection just thinking about it. Little shivers up and down my spine.

I apologize and recant. I know that it may seem different, but honestly I would rather someone call me a molester than bring my wife into something; just my protective nature and the way I stick up for family and close friends
 
Maybe they are but the way he acts here raises questions. He does a great job as portraying himself as a real jerk motherfucker every time he comes around.

Both you and Jim have put a lot of time, effort and money into this. He's not helping at all and has been derailing this thread into dozens of different directions for weeks now.

JB, I completely agree with you and commend Dr. Jim and mands for doing this. However, I think you will see when its all over, that the standard is incorrect. Therefore the concentration results are useless at this point. I can't tell you how certain I am of this. I can't believe that you have read the arguments presented and don't have a least a little concern at all. And why is the information on the standard being withheld when it would end all this and prove me wrong?????? Thats the million dollar question right there that defies all logic!

And in terms of me being a jerk and a motherfucker, well how else am I supposed to respond to this circus. I am one person taking on Jim, his ego, and all of Meso. I am getting attacked left and right with deflections that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Nobody wants to talk about the standard in question, they just want to talk about Karl, me selling GH, my wife, or whatever else they can to get away from the real issues here. How else am I supposed to respond? Put yourself in my shoes, where you have no question that you are right, and then you encounter this.
 
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