MALDI-TOF-MS/HPLC-UV-VIS rHGH results

[muscle96ss]

I did not run an AA analysis on it. I've spent enough money on this project as is.

Hey I've an idea have Meathead pay for it, LOL!

I do wonder however if such high LOADS of glycine are responsible for some of the symptoms so common to generic GH, ESPECIALLY when one considers the fact NO PHARM GRADE GH has more than a few mg!

I think someone has a mancrush!! Jim, you are so obsessed with me, you can't even make a post in this thread without finding a way to mention me in it.

In any event, who would waste any money on testing that is clearly inaccurate and where the point of contact is completely inapproachable and incapable of having an intelligent straight-forward discussion.

Over at PM, we are actually in the initial stages of paying good money to have REAL labs tests done that are performed by a REAL lab. They are going to be similar to the ones we performed around 7 years ago where the lab is an accredited lab that is completely 100% transparent so that we don't have any of the issues we are experiencing here. In the first round of testing we performed back then, anybody who had any questions could call the lab directly and speak one-on-one with the technician and get real answers. Jim, when we do our testing, you are welcome to do that.

 

[grey]

who would waste any money on testing that is clearly inaccurate

I am (legitimately) interested in what the criticism for this particular testing method would be?

 

[Dr JIM]

I am (legitimately) interested in what the criticism for this particular testing method would be?

Surely your joking, lol. But the criticism for this testing method is no different than those "objections" posted earlier.

They confirm PM is selling under dosed GH.

 

[muscle96ss]

I am (legitimately) interested in what the criticism for this particular testing method would be?

Have you read the first 55 pages? Nobody on the entire internet outside of this board consider Jim's testing legit; too many unanswered questions; or should I say "refuse to be answered" questions. No reason to rehash the same debate over again; it has been covered to exhaustion in the first 55 pages of this thread already. I am sure Jim will respond to this post stating some more bullshit about how I have some involvement in the cash flow of generic GH. Unfortunately, I have been around a long time and doing what I do way before Jim came to Meso(in fact I was a member of the old Meso back in the day). Anybody that knows me or knows of my reputation will tell you how foolish Jim looks when he starts making personal attacks that don't even hold the slightest bit of truth. I used to think that Jim was an honest guy and just an assclown, but after what has transpired in this thread I have no trust or respect for him.

 

[muscle96ss]

Surely your joking, lol. But the criticism for this testing method is no different than those objections posted earlier.

They confirm PM is selling under dosed GH!

No, they confirm you are a complete assclown who is biased and has ignored real world serum tests, real world IGF-1 tests, and other real lab testing that has shown accurately dosed GH; while evading all questions about your lab tests. They confirm that you cannot be trusted and when you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar and using Karl's GH as your standard, you come up with some complete bullshit and more diversions. Thats all you've proved Jim.

 

[grey]

Have you read the first 55 pages?

Yes, and this testing method was definitely not discussed as being somehow invalid.

Your post certainly didn't add anything beyond "I don't like Dr. Jim, ergo anything he posts is invalid."

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Nobody on the entire internet outside of this board consider Jim's testing legit; too many unanswered questions; or should I say "refuse to be answered" questions.

I used to think that Jim was an honest guy and just an assclown, but after what has transpired in this thread I have no trust or respect for him.

And yet you still watch this thread like a hawk for even the slightest mention of any new testing from Jim. In fact, even though this thread has been dead for over a month, when Jim posted his new data on Tuesday at 9:09 PM, and who should respond within TWO MINUTES? Why, it was YOU, Muscles!

That's a pretty strong interest in testing you think is BS, wouldn't you say?

 

[muscle96ss]

And yet you still watch this thread like a hawk for even the slightest mention of any new testing from Jim. In fact, even though this thread has been dead for over a month, when Jim posted his new data on Tuesday at 9:09 PM, and who should respond within TWO MINUTES? Why, it was YOU, Muscles!

More useless bullshit!!

 

[Dr JIM]

Yes, and this testing method was definitely not discussed as being somehow invalid.

Your post certainly didn't add anything beyond "I don't like Dr. Jim, ergo anything he posts is invalid."

Invalid?, give that some time Meathead will find a "reason" to object haha.

It's not that "they" dislike me, But rather the results I've posted!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

More useless bullshit!!

Like you've added anything useful to this thread. You've posted nothing but obfuscations while trying to sow doubt about the credibility of testing that showed your very good "friend" TP sells garbage GH.

 

[Dr JIM]

Invalid?, give that some time Meathead will find a "reason" to object haha.

It's not that "they" dislike me, But rather the results I've posted!

Actually it's bc of Meathead that I've decided to continue GH testing. Who else is willing to post THE TRUTH about generic GH.

 

[muscle96ss]

Like you've added anything useful to this thread. You've posted nothing but obfuscations while trying to sow doubt about the credibility of testing that showed your very good "friend" TP sells garbage GH.

Seriously?? Now all of a sudden when Jim is caught using Karls' GH as his standard, he vanishes from the thread for a few months and comes back with NO EXPLANATION on why he can't give us the information on the standard(logistics and some other shit, come on man!). How was the data even calculated if the standard information is not present? Too many bullshit excuses. Then Jim has some special new data that of course shows everything is underdosed. However, in this new data, the concentrations are completely off from what was calculated in the original report. You first reported that the grey had only 4iu per vial, now they magically have 6iu per vial. How come there is so much variance between tests? How come other tests on other boards are coming out with them accurately dosed? How come serum tests and IGF-1 tests are coming out as if they are accurately dosed? How come the huge amount of people using them have no complaints about their results? Is EVERYBODY wrong and you are the only one who is right. How does any of this make any sense to you?

 

[muscle96ss]

Actually it's bc of Meathead that I've decided to continue GH testing. Who else is willing to post THE TRUTH about generic GH.

Dude, even the pharm GH you have tested has come out underdosed!!! Show me 1 pharm sample that you have tested that is accurately dosed, just 1! There comes a point in time where you have to be smart enough to realize that something is fucked up.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Seriously?? Now all of a sudden when Jim is caught using Karls' GH as his standard, he vanishes from the thread for a few months and comes back with NO EXPLANATION on why he can't give us the information on the standard(logistics and some other shit, come on man!). How was the data even calculated if the standard information is not present? Too many bullshit excuses. Then Jim has some special new data that of course shows everything is underdosed. However, in this new data, the concentrations are completely off from what was calculated in the original report. You first reported that the grey had only 4iu per vial, now they magically have 6iu per vial. How come there is so much variance between tests? How come other tests on other boards are coming out with them accurately dosed? How come serum tests and IGF-1 tests are coming out as if they are accurately dosed? How come the huge amount of people using them have no complaints about their results? Is EVERYBODY wrong and you are the only one who is right. How does any of this make any sense to you?

 

[Dr JIM]

And yet you still watch this thread like a hawk for even the slightest mention of any new testing from Jim. In fact, even though this thread has been dead for over a month, when Jim posted his new data on Tuesday at 9:09 PM, and who should respond within TWO MINUTES? Why, it was YOU, Muscles!

That's a pretty strong interest in testing you think is BS, wouldn't you say?

Who else is willing to post THE TRUTH about generic GH.

Hey Jim I know Meathead will post the truth, it's obvious he is very interested in generic GH.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey Jim I know Meathead will post the truth, it's obvious he is very interested in generic GH.

Yep I can see that Jim, but it's not clear he is interested in the TRUTH, and for that reason I believe Jim should continue his GH testing efforts

 

[BigPharma]

Let's be Real

No, they confirm you are a complete assclown who is biased and has ignored real world serum tests, real world IGF-1 tests, and other real lab testing that has shown accurately dosed GH; while evading all questions about your lab tests. They confirm that you cannot be trusted and when you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar and using Karl's GH as your standard, you come up with some complete bullshit and more diversions. Thats all you've proved Jim.

Its not that GH and Igf-1 don't prove anything- they Provide great data on the GH that a person is current running. The problem that I as a consumer seem to encounter Is evidence that the GH being ran by the person posting the bloods(GH and Igf-1)is actually that"sample GH"ie.greens, blues, greys, etc. ..These days its hard to trust anything-with all the hidden agendas and private vested interest-Its wise for a consumer to consider as much testing-all types of testing, different methods, from different groups-Its almost a consumers "CONTROL" and "EXPERIMENTAL"group for making wise decisions... In the name of "Good Testing" being the primary purpose of this whole thread--- I hope all this can be accomplished.

 

[muscle96ss]

Let's be Real

Its not that GH and Igf-1 don't prove anything- they Provide great data on the GH that a person is current running. The problem that I as a consumer seem to encounter Is evidence that the GH being ran by the person posting the bloods(GH and Igf-1)is actually that"sample GH"ie.greens, blues, greys, etc. ..These days its hard to trust anything-with all the hidden agendas and private vested interest-Its wise for a consumer to consider as much testing-all types of testing, different methods, from different groups-Its almost a consumers "CONTROL" and "EXPERIMENTAL"group for making wise decisions... In the name of "Good Testing" being the primary purpose of this whole thread--- I hope all this can be accomplished.

Yeah, lets be real. I performed a serum test as well as an IGF-1 test on the same kit of grey tops that contained the vial Jim used for testing. I have done numerous IGF-1 tests over the last 2 decades and numerous serums tests over the past 6 years or so. I have done repetitive tests on different batches of the grey tops. I have also done serum tests and IGF-1's on other generic brands and many US pharm brands as well(I already posted my results in a post in this thread). Anybody outside this board knows that I have no vested interest and am a straight-shooter. So to ignore that data along with the TONS of other data on other boards that contradict Jims results is ludicrous. You can try to discount it all you want, but in the end it just doesn't make logical sense.

 

[BigPharma]

Yeah, lets be real. I performed a serum test as well as an IGF-1 test on the same kit of grey tops that contained the vial Jim used for testing. I have done numerous IGF-1 tests over the last 2 decades and numerous serums tests over the past 6 years or so. I have done repetitive tests on different batches of the grey tops. I have also done serum tests and IGF-1's on other generic brands and many US pharm brands as well(I already posted my results in a post in this thread). Anybody outside this board knows that I have no vested interest and am a straight-shooter. So to ignore that data along with the TONS of other data on other boards that contradict Jims results is ludicrous. You can try to discount it all you want, but in the end it just doesn't make logical sense.

 

[BigPharma]

Yeah, lets be real. I performed a serum test as well as an IGF-1 test on the same kit of grey tops that contained the vial Jim used for testing. I have done numerous IGF-1 tests over the last 2 decades and numerous serums tests over the past 6 years or so. I have done repetitive tests on different batches of the grey tops. I have also done serum tests and IGF-1's on other generic brands and many US pharm brands as well(I already posted my results in a post in this thread). Anybody outside this board knows that I have no vested interest and am a straight-shooter. So to ignore that data along with the TONS of other data on other boards that contradict Jims results is ludicrous. You can try to discount it all you want, but in the end it just doesn't make logical sense.

No offense, but I have never met you or any of these other guys. or shook your hands or had a face to face conversation with any of you. My point being, I can't possibly trust you or any variables left to "good faith" or "chance" My position is not one of personal attack, but merely an intelligent elimination of possibilities that could contaminate concrete conclusions.. ..