Yeah most people are going to have no idea what you are talking about, though I like the post personally. Maybe you should give people a....simpler but longer explanation. I doubt many people have taken an organic chemistry course.
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Mass Spec Thread
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Yeah most people are going to have no idea what you are talking about, though I like the post personally. Maybe you should give people a....simpler but longer explanation. I doubt many people have taken an organic chemistry course.
whwlives
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I'm not trying to "give a course" so to speak, I'm trying to impart the understanding that you can use simple tests to test raws and oils. I will be putting together some PDF's on each test soon. There is NO EXCUSE why UGLs aren't testing their raws, even if MS testing is unavailable.
I like this guy. Lets see what you can bring to the table for the good of the community brother.
vivame
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Does this include the TitanLabs tests from LightSpan?
Yes
inkandmuscle
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there's ALOT of people with vested interest in the TL mass spec..
@MythotiK @lightspan
just want to say that I greatly appreciate the contributions you guys make to the community!
4leafclover
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I do agree that there needs to be some more room for sources to correct wrongs when they happen. I see a lot of posts about 1-2 strikes your out, when some things are beyond their control.
This is by no means an excuse for UG labs, because I also believe they need to behave better when problems do arise, rather than deflect, or get an attitude as I've seen so many of them do.
I personally want more sources to chose from, of a high quality.
To answer your last question, I do believe it is the UGL's responsibility to know what compounds they are mixing, and to accurately dose them. Maybe they can't do every batch because of TA, but they can randomize it, and when a consumer posts problems, they should immediately test that batch and close all lines down bought from that supplier until they can verify contents. Sometimes I feel like they are greedy fucks when they continue to sell despite 2-3 problems being publicly reported of a serious nature.
2 strikes and you're out seems more than fair. With me personally it is one strike and you're out. if i order dbol tabs and you send me sugar pills then i am done with you. Are you proposing that you should give that person a second or third chance to screw you over properly?
Explain to me the circumstances that are beyond their control, because i can't really think of any except for seizure.
Explain to me the circumstances that are beyond their control, because i can't really think of any except for seizure.
4leafclover
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If you randomly test your samples, and one gets through that is low dose.
If you look in Astro's thread he has had more than what we would call 2 strikes and he has turned out to be a wonderful source (quality of goods).
I would also agree if it is blatant rip-off-ery, then yes, you should be banned. Like estrogen pills labeled dbol.
I think we need to use more common sense here, if a source admits that it's a fucked up situation, responds politely, reimburses, and fixes the issue, I see no reason to not let them continue to do business.
If you look in Astro's thread he has had more than what we would call 2 strikes and he has turned out to be a wonderful source (quality of goods).
I would also agree if it is blatant rip-off-ery, then yes, you should be banned. Like estrogen pills labeled dbol.
I think we need to use more common sense here, if a source admits that it's a fucked up situation, responds politely, reimburses, and fixes the issue, I see no reason to not let them continue to do business.
4leafclover
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A one size fits all approach reminds me too much of mandatory minimum sentences, we should apply some critical thinking to the issues at hand.
Well, one thing that I think gets overlooked is the fact that Meso doesn't equal the death of these sources when they get ran off from here. What I mean is that just because a group of members here attack these sources and ride them so hard that they just get fed up and leave, the person/people running the source don't just quit the biz. They still keep slinging - through some combo of changing their name and/or finding somewhere else to sling.
Also, not every lab desires to be the biggest lab going - some of them are perfectly happy just making enough to support themselves. If that were the goal, a source could accumulate enough customers here in 1 to 2 succesful months to keep them going even after they get annihilated for making mistakes.
Don't be fooled into thinking that the vocal minority here dictate the actions of the silent majority. There are still members here ordering from one of the biggest source flame outs from Meso's past (seriously, 2 members here have told me this in the last 2 weeks). They personally have not had any problems with his gear, so they stick with him.
So much of how a lab survives their stumbles depends on how they handle it.
borderbound
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4Leafclover you may have just described the diference between a strike and a foulball
All about how you handle your business
All about how you handle your business
If you are the guy that got into 2 bad situations with a source would you continue to do business with that source? When that guy leaves do you want to be the guy who takes his place for the next screwing? Not me. Iv'e been that guy twice, which is probably one time more than common sense would dictate.
This is like saying : "Hey, they didn't screw me, so i have no problem with them." . If they send underdosed product, product with nothing in it, or mislabeled gear i have no time for them. Until people start demanding a better product we will continue to get shit. When people send in money on the off chance they might get something that works that doesn't bode well for the consumer.
This is like saying : "Hey, they didn't screw me, so i have no problem with them." . If they send underdosed product, product with nothing in it, or mislabeled gear i have no time for them. Until people start demanding a better product we will continue to get shit. When people send in money on the off chance they might get something that works that doesn't bode well for the consumer.
4leafclover
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If you read my post carefully, it says if they fix the issue, that doesnt sound like screwing to me, but hey, if thats what you want to read into it, fine go ahead.
4leafclover
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One last comment, then I'm done...
I do business with a lot of companies regularly, mistakes do happen, when I call, if they send me a new product if mine is damaged, or they send me something better than what I ordered for my troubles, I for sure do, and would continue business with them. That's just good customer service.
I do business with a lot of companies regularly, mistakes do happen, when I call, if they send me a new product if mine is damaged, or they send me something better than what I ordered for my troubles, I for sure do, and would continue business with them. That's just good customer service.
You make some good points 4leaf, but I think comparing an auto parts store to an AAS dealer is a tricky comparison, at best.
If Huey's Auto Parts sells me a bad battery, my car might not start tomorrow morning. If my AAS supplier sends me infected gear, I might not get out of bed tomorrow.
It is difficult to apply the same standards to both.
4leafclover
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Here is a real life example of when I would not stop doing business with an AAS supplier.
I get pharma gear, it comes with labels over the box parts that open, one of my boxes had a label come off during shipping, this could be one explanation or it could of been the source replaced the bottle for a fake. I talked to him, and he sent me a new vial, wanting me to be satisfied. I've done business with this guy for a long time, the source has more than "2 strikes" but the customer service is always spot on, so I will continue to do business.
All I'm advocating here guys, is to use your head, not everything a source does should be two strikes. You should give some consideration as to how they handle the situation. We were given brains for a reason, use them.
I get pharma gear, it comes with labels over the box parts that open, one of my boxes had a label come off during shipping, this could be one explanation or it could of been the source replaced the bottle for a fake. I talked to him, and he sent me a new vial, wanting me to be satisfied. I've done business with this guy for a long time, the source has more than "2 strikes" but the customer service is always spot on, so I will continue to do business.
All I'm advocating here guys, is to use your head, not everything a source does should be two strikes. You should give some consideration as to how they handle the situation. We were given brains for a reason, use them.
shamrockbear
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Well I was thinking what if there was a 3rd party that mass spec ugls and posted the results on a website. I think that would crush half of all these ugls. The site would only post results only with the mass spec results if sources wanted to test it wouldnt be allowed. I think that people would be up for it at $100-$150 funded by crowd sourcing like meso )a test this would get rid of so many ugls and leave the legit ones around. Any thoughts on this.
shamrockbear1
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Also we have a good start with our current results ...
whwlives
New Member
I'm curious as to what "reason" they could "correct"...
1) Test your actives
2) Measure your actives - can you read a scale?
3) Use GMP.
Let's look at the possibilities for anyone who fails at 1, 2, 3, or some combination.
A) They don't give a f*** (about their customer's lives)
B) They cannot read a scale
C) They are dishonest and see customers as stupid suckers (with no abilities to test gear)
D) Some combination of A, B, or C.
(Feel free to add your own)
How do you MAKE THAT RIGHT?
Apathy, Stupidity, and Dishonesty?
1) Test your actives
2) Measure your actives - can you read a scale?
3) Use GMP.
Let's look at the possibilities for anyone who fails at 1, 2, 3, or some combination.
A) They don't give a f*** (about their customer's lives)
B) They cannot read a scale
C) They are dishonest and see customers as stupid suckers (with no abilities to test gear)
D) Some combination of A, B, or C.
(Feel free to add your own)
How do you MAKE THAT RIGHT?
Apathy, Stupidity, and Dishonesty?
