Masteron question

[CraneKraken]

It's forever.

If how your parents look is an indicator of genetics, I have poor hair genetics but have managed to keep a full head of hair over years of gear use with topical treatments (daily minox & RU, weekly microneedling). Better to start sooner than later.

I believe the best indicator is your maternal grandfather. The literature I've read -albeit not a ton- is that males adopt their hairline from their mother's father. I don't know what other genetic factors play a role, as I'm sure there are some, but it seems this is the most likely indicator.

 

[oldgrey]

Start Finasteride at .25mg/day. Give it one week to reach a stable level to assess any perceived effect. For most men, you'll feel nothing. It's challenging to quarter a 1mg Finasteride tablet. Use a "razor blade" style pill splitter commonly available at drug stores, amazon, etc. Don't get too hung up on precisely even pieces. There is no risk of severe sides at this dose even for hyperresponders, like me. Keep in mind men with enlarged prostate routinely take 5mg/day, 20 times this dose, and most don't experience sides.

Start Minoxidil at 2.5mg. You likely won't experience sides, but if you do, it'll most likely be minor water retention that resolves within 30 days as your body acclimates the vast majority of the time.

If all goes well after 30 days, increase Minox to 5mg day for maximum benefit. Allow for another 30 days to acclimate. If you need to, drop back to 2.5.

Try to increase Fin to .50mg/day as well, Again, give it a week. If you experience any sides, likely not, at the worst very mild, you can drop back to .25mg and the sides will resolve within a week or so. It's a very safe approach for a med that has some irrational fear around it.

Thanks for this! to clarify, is that 2.5mg minoxidil daily? I assume so, but you just didn't state it

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks for this! to clarify, is that 2.5mg minoxidil daily? I assume so, but you just didn't state it

Oh sorry yes. And if it goes well after a month or so and you want to go to 5, where there is additional benefit, no need to split it up. Once a day is fine. If you get sides and want to try 2x a day that may help reduce them,

Just a reminder the most common side is some slight water weight gain, but most often that resolves in about a month, so unless it's really bad (above 5lbs is the typical guideline for "bad"), give it a chance to resolve before quitting.

Topical is such a time consuming, messy pain in the ass, with less effectiveness (sometimes no effectiveness), and more expensive on top of everything else. I just couldn't stand keeping up with the daily regime. and if you're hypersensitive, prone to severe sides, topical can induce those as well, because it does go systemic.

 

[LiftAR]

Oh sorry yes. And if it goes well after a month or so and you want to go to 5, where there is additional benefit, no need to split it up. Once a day is fine. If you get sides and want to try 2x a day that may help reduce them,

Just a reminder the most common side is some slight water weight gain, but most often that resolves in about a month, so unless it's really bad (above 5lbs is the typical guideline for "bad"), give it a chance to resolve before quitting.

Topical is such a time consuming, messy pain in the ass, with less effectiveness (sometimes no effectiveness), and more expensive on top of everything else. I just couldn't stand keeping up with the daily regime. and if you're hypersensitive, prone to severe sides, topical can induce those as well, because it does go systemic.

How do you feel about stacking 5mg minoxidil with Cialis, given that both can lower blood pressure?

 

[Ghoul]

How do you feel about stacking 5mg minoxidil with Cialis, given that both can lower blood pressure?

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How do you feel about stacking 5mg minoxidil with Cialis, given that both can lower blood pressure?

Negligible.

I use both daily, which is in addition to my combo BP meds of Telm/Amlodipine.

Since multi-class hypertension drugs are the current preferred treatment because lower doses in those combos have a stronger effect than an individual drug at a higher dose, I'm "maxing" that effect with what is in effect quad-class BP meds.

The difference (for the vast majority) of something like 5mg of Minox and Cialis is no more than a couple of points. Unless you're borderline low blood pressure, it's not a concern. If anything, for most, a small benefit, since most of us aren't below 120 systolic, the new standard for normal.

 

[oldgrey]

Oh sorry yes. And if it goes well after a month or so and you want to go to 5, where there is additional benefit, no need to split it up. Once a day is fine. If you get sides and want to try 2x a day that may help reduce them,

Just a reminder the most common side is some slight water weight gain, but most often that resolves in about a month, so unless it's really bad (above 5lbs is the typical guideline for "bad"), give it a chance to resolve before quitting.

Topical is such a time consuming, messy pain in the ass, with less effectiveness (sometimes no effectiveness), and more expensive on top of everything else. I just couldn't stand keeping up with the daily regime. and if you're hypersensitive, prone to severe sides, topical can induce those as well, because it does go systemic.

What are your thoughts on only the minox with out the fin? I know that wouldn't technically stop the dht conversion / miniaturization, but to counter act an increase in shedding, theoretically would just the minox be effective for increase hair growth / thickness? Or not worth it without the other? Thanks

 

[TheBeast08]

I picked dutasteride over finasteride and take 0.25mg every 5 days. Ghoul mentioned dutasteride might be better than finasteride for preventing hairloss. That plus topical minoxidil got me to stop shedding when I ran test/mast/tren/anavar. I'm not prone to mpb or hairloss on many compounds but that stack did it. I'll probably switch to oral minoxidil when I run out of topical.

The only thing I don't write understand is why you shouldn't take duta/fin with nandrolone. I've read the reasoning from several people but then you have every user report saying when they used fin/duta with nandrolone they had no issues with hairloss. So the science says one thing but all the user reports say another

Dutasteride is better because it inhibits 5-alpha reductase type1 and 2 finasteride only inhibits type1 that's why some people use duta but the negative effects of duta are more serious in relation to erections but in this case as we use testo there are no problems ✌.

 

[Ghoul]

What are your thoughts on only the minox with out the fin? I know that wouldn't technically stop the dht conversion / miniaturization, but to counter act an increase in shedding, theoretically would just the minox be effective for increase hair growth / thickness? Or not worth it without the other? Thanks

Minox will induce shedding, since the first thing it does is "reset" the growth cycle. It'll only be useful to prevent shedding once you've gotten past that initial shed, and using it continuously,

It does make hair follicles more robust, producing thicker hairs, in effect reversing some of the thinning of hair shafts caused by DHT miniaturization, but that effect only lasts as long as you're using it, and after minox reaches its max benefit after a year or two, hair will continue to miniaturize.

So basically, it'll buy you some time, as long has you continue to use it, but once you stop you'll quickly return to where you would've been without it, and in the end, you'll still lose, just later than without it.

 

[Ghoul]

Dutasteride is better because it inhibits 5-alpha reductase type1 and 2 finasteride only inhibits type1 that's why some people use duta but the negative effects of duta are more serious in relation to erections but in this case as we use testo there are no problems ✌.

You're right. Type 1 5-AR conversion happens right inside of follicles, a terrible place for DHT production, and Fin doesn't help with that.

The prob with Duta is that .5mg is the lowest dose you could go, because they're gelcaps, and that's way too much for many guys, inducing sides.

That's because when Dut first came out for prostate enlargement, it was difficult to absorb, so had to be formulated that way.

A newer formulation, with an easier to absorb form of Dutasteride and added absorption enhancers has allowed it to be made in solid tab form, which should be splittable. Available from several India Pharma companies. May be a great alternative to provide even better results than Fin, but at a lower, non side effect inducing dose.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Dutasteride is better because it inhibits 5-alpha reductase type1 and 2 finasteride only inhibits type1 that's why some people use duta but the negative effects of duta are more serious in relation to erections but in this case as we use testo there are no problems ✌.

Yup. So far so no issues in the bedroom

 

[xrayphoton13]

You're right. Type 1 5-AR conversion happens right inside of follicles, a terrible place for DHT production, and Fin doesn't help with that.

The prob with Duta is that .5mg is the lowest dose you could go, because they're gelcaps, and that's way too much for many guys, inducing sides.

That's because when Dut first came out for prostate enlargement, it was difficult to absorb, so had to be formulated that way.

A newer formulation, with an easier to absorb form of Dutasteride and added absorption enhancers has allowed it to be made in solid tab form, which should be splittable. Available from several India Pharma companies. May be a great alternative to provide even better results than Fin, but at a lower, non side effect inducing dose.

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That's the exact one I have

 

[Ghoul]

That's the exact one I have

Can you post pic of the tablet? I'm curious. Hand or coin or something for scale would be great.

Also, is exp date 2-3 years from manufacturing date or something else?

 

[xrayphoton13]

Can you post pic of the tablet? I'm curious. Hand or coin or something for scale would be great.

Also, is exp date 2-3 years from manufacturing date or something else?

Here ya go

 

[Ghoul]

Here ya go

Thanks man! Looks splittable despite no score.

Standard 2 year expiration. another good sign. That's the pharma "default", which makes it highly likely it's far longer.

When it's shorter than two years, that typically implies it genuinely has a short shelf life.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Thanks man! Looks splittable despite no score.

Standard 2 year expiration. another good sign. That's the pharma "default", which makes it highly likely it's far longer.

When it's shorter than two years, that typically implies it genuinely has a short shelf life.

Sweet. yeah I have no problem splitting them with the pill cutter. They stay intact and don't crumble

 

[Eddie.]

Sweet. yeah I have no problem splitting them with the pill cutter. They stay intact and don't crumble

If it's pharma it must not crumble, i've only seen UGL crumble. With pharma i can cut aromasin which is like a lentil in 3 pieces, sometimes in 4 while UGL despite if it's big or small they tend to become half pill half powder haha

 

[Ateam2023]

If it's pharma it must not crumble, i've only seen UGL crumble. With pharma i can cut aromasin which is like a lentil in 3 pieces, sometimes in 4 while UGL despite if it's big or small they tend to become half pill half powder haha

Ya i can split pharma 1mg Arimidex by hand no problem,,

 

[SBD1]

If you’re too self conscious about going bald, flights to turkey aren’t that expensive….just saying. And for a few more dollars you can hire some beautiful companions to make the stay more enjoyable.

 

[LiftAR]

If you’re too self conscious about going bald, flights to turkey aren’t that expensive….just saying. And for a few more dollars you can hire some beautiful companions to make the stay more enjoyable.

Turkey is your go-to for cosmetics. I considered this before using the minoxidil. You'd still wanna be taking the fin/dut after the transplant anyway

 

[Ghoul]

Turkey is your go-to for cosmetics. I considered this before using the minoxidil. You'd still wanna be taking the fin/dut after the transplant anyway

Yes, the availability of transplants is not a excuse to needlessly lose a good head of hair that can be easily preserved by dialing in the correct fin/dut and minox dose, then two side effect free pills a day.

Transplants, if you're lucky, can be ok, often less than ok, and not close to keeping the hair you have. The sad irony is, you must go on fin/dut anyway for a successfully transplant,