Mid Cycle 500 Test/ 400 Primo / 300 NPP Bloodwork

[1lifter23]

My main concern is my HCT, but I think it's artificially elevated from dehydration as I hadn't had anything to drink for 12 hours before the test. Anything else I should be concerned with here? Cheers.

 

[patriotmuscle1]

This is a European test correct or non US right? In US we use standard measurement.. this is metric I believe correct?

 

[Eddie.]

Dude, HCT is high indeed but if you say you're not hydrated then i wouldn't worry much. Although, do you have any idea why your WBC is elevated? There's some sort of inflammation in your body. I would go check it again and do a hs CRP as well.

 

[1lifter23]

This is a European test correct or non US right? In US we use standard measurement.. this is metric I believe correct?

I'm Canadian so yeah it's metric.

Dude, HCT is high indeed but if you say you're not hydrated then i wouldn't worry much. Although, do you have any idea why your WBC is elevated? There's some sort of inflammation in your body. I would go check it again and do a hs CRP as well.

I had assumed the high WBC was from hard training.

https://www.jospt.org/doi/10.2519/jospt.1991.13.6.316

It might be worth looking further into though just to be safe...

I am still waiting on the Cystatin C test results.

 

[Eddie.]

I ve encountered elevated kidney markers and cpk of course from hard training but never WBC. Mine is around middle of the scale either as natty before either now that i'm on test. It might has to do with jabbing, because everytime you jab you create some inflammation from piercing the skin and penetrate the muscle fibers, maybe the oil quality and the solvants create some sort of inflammation. I hope it's not, but better safe than sorry. Check the CRP and write again. @readalot have you seen any elevated WBC due to hard training?

 

[patriotmuscle1]

I'm Canadian so yeah it's metric.

I had assumed the high WBC was from hard training.

https://www.jospt.org/doi/10.2519/jospt.1991.13.6.316

It might be worth looking further into though just to be safe...

I am still waiting on the Cystatin C test results.

Thankyou. I'm going to see what the conversion is just so I can understand thise numbers better. Appreciate the reply

 

[buck]

I would donate blood. That is what i always did to keep my RBC and Hemo in check. Others have different opinion.

 

[PaintDrinker]

I would donate blood. That is what i always did to keep my RBC and Hemo in check. Others have different opinion.

I agree that donating is the fastest way to lower it. If I can add on to this, Naringin extract, ginger extract, and garlic extract work in conjunction to thin the blood, and lower hematocrit.

 

[amazonas]

Blood work aside, how are you feeling on this stack? I've been thinking about adding in NPP to my already test/primo cruise for a long time now.

Been reading very positive reviews about NPP and was planning to run half the cycle you are running now. 250 test / 200 primo / 150-200mg NPP.

 

[1lifter23]

I ve encountered elevated kidney markers and cpk of course from hard training but never WBC. Mine is around middle of the scale either as natty before either now that i'm on test. It might has to do with jabbing, because everytime you jab you create some inflammation from piercing the skin and penetrate the muscle fibers, maybe the oil quality and the solvants create some sort of inflammation. I hope it's not, but better safe than sorry. Check the CRP and write again. @readalot have you seen any elevated WBC due to hard training?

I am Canadian and have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get bloodwork reqs. The online service I use doesn't offer a CRP test... What could I say to my GP to get him to issue me a req for it? He's a old fart who's a bit dense and refused to issue me a req annually for a wellness check... I may take a deload or rest week and retest to see if WBC is still elevated, maybe will give some info ...

 

[1lifter23]

Blood work aside, how are you feeling on this stack? I've been thinking about adding in NPP to my already test/primo cruise for a long time now.

Been reading very positive reviews about NPP and was planning to run half the cycle you are running now. 250 test / 200 primo / 150-200mg NPP.

Feeling amazing and making great gains. My diet is very strict so I'm not really getting any bloat from the NPP, and Primo is working perfectly as an AI for me. NPP has made me insanely hungry and has for sure made my muscle bellies fuller than just test+primo. I'm up 20-30lbs on all compounds for reps, which is better strength gains so far than primo and test as well.

 

[amazonas]

Sounds amazing. Any sides with the NPP?

 

[1lifter23]

Sounds amazing. Any sides with the NPP?

Nothing notable yet. I have been more restless during the some nights but I am still sleeping well, other than that literally nothing. I was worried about mental sides like anxiety and depression from the NPP, but if anything it's made me more carefree and laidback.

 

[readalot]

@readalot have you seen any elevated WBC due to hard training?

Personally, no. Was this his first hard training session in a while? Obvious infection?

Great recommendation on the hs-cRP test especially if OP runs this Hct all the time.

 

[1lifter23]

Personally, no. Was this his first hard training session in a while? Obvious infection?

Great recommendation on the hs-cRP test especially if OP runs this Hct all the time.

In the short term would taking a deload and retesting WBC values shed some light on things? The test service I use does not offer CRP testing and it may be a pain in the ass to get a blood req from my GP.

 

[readalot]

In the short term would taking a deload and retesting WBC values shed some light on things? The test service I use does not offer CRP testing and it may be a pain in the ass to get a blood req from my GP.

Repeat CBC with no lifting/exercise for 24 to 48 hr. That should rule out resistance training effect on WBC.

Did you perform an intense session right before this blood draw?

Acute leucocyte, muscle damage, and stress marker responses to high-intensity functional training

Background High-intensity functional training (HIFT) has become more popular, and the number of practitioners has increased; however, it remains unclear whether perturbations in the immune parameters occur, even after one single bout. Our aim was to examine acute leucocyte, muscle damage, and...

journals.plos.org

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

I get higher WBC from seasonal allergies. Not really something I or my doctor ever cared about.

 

[readalot]

I get higher WBC from seasonal allergies. Not really something I or my doctor ever cared about.

Define?
Higher than what?
Baseline?

 

[1lifter23]

Repeat CBC with no lifting/exercise for 24 to 48 hr. That should rule out resistance training effect on WBC.

Did you perform an intense session right before this blood draw?

Acute leucocyte, muscle damage, and stress marker responses to high-intensity functional training

Background High-intensity functional training (HIFT) has become more popular, and the number of practitioners has increased; however, it remains unclear whether perturbations in the immune parameters occur, even after one single bout. Our aim was to examine acute leucocyte, muscle damage, and...

journals.plos.org

The night before I drew bloods I had a pretty brutal leg session, maybe that had some effect on the numbers.
I’ll test again this friday after taking wednesday thursday off from training. Thanks for the info.

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

Define?
Higher than what?
Baseline?

Hope this helps.