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[Marcus]

Just had bloods drawn 6 weeks in to my cycle of Strongs gear (600mg test e and 400mg mast e). Should have results hopefully by beginning of next week

 

[Big Mike]

Just had bloods drawn 6 weeks in to my cycle of Strongs gear (600mg test e and 400mg mast e). Should have results hopefully by beginning of next week

Sweet!

 

[bickel29]

Just had bloods drawn 6 weeks in to my cycle of Strongs gear (600mg test e and 400mg mast e). Should have results hopefully by beginning of next week

Marcus my boy - any predictions?

 

[thebarnacle09]

Another successful experience. Wouldn't expect anything less from someone who seems to understand what honor and respect truly mean.

 

[Marcus]

Marcus my boy - any predictions?

I would be very happy with 4,200+ as this would be upwards of 7X range. I guess realistically after seeing Tile's bloods, even though the raws are different for the prop and it's not a perfect comparison, my guess would be somewhere between 3,600 and 3,900? Since my dose was also split in to 2 weekly, but again all speculation at this point.

I have had good results with MS gear... Way better than the gear I was on before where bloods came back at 2,500 before I switched. Skin did not get oily until I switched, started hitting PR's in the gym more often, muscle definition and separation is definitely there as I started cutting about 4 weeks ago and the test/mast has aided in anti-catabolic behaviors with my body. Overall, I'm very happy... And the gear has no PIP which was a relief to say the least coming off of Spetz's bullshit. Overall, very happy with Strong's gear! Waiting for DMT's results from his bloodwork for the GH as well now to possibly hop on that between cycles

 

[Cmxer32]

The way things have been looking lately I would say 5500 to 6k seems to be the general consensus

 

[bickel29]

The way things have been looking lately I would say 5500 to 6k seems to be the general consensus

For Marcus? He is pushing 600mg per week. If he got 6k (10x) we'd have chaos in the streets of Mike Strong Land! Haha

Seriously, I wish someone in any of these threads would post up a 10x result. We just never see that with anyone's results, unless I have over looked it somewhere? But we can keep hope alive, right?

 

[Cmxer32]

Does the 400/w mast not have any factor into increasing the Tt

 

[ChrisWarrenH]

Nope

 

[ChrisWarrenH]

Unless it's actually test and not mast

 

[dnml]

Does the 400/w mast not have any factor into increasing the Tt

Not unless there is T in it. So no it should not

 

[Marcus]

Unless it's actually test and not mast

Not unless there is T in it. So no it should not

Exactly... It has not been tested as far as I know, so we don't know for sure if the Mast E has no test in it at all, so all these factors play an important role in comparison. Hopefully they'll be someone who comes along who will be doing a test only cycle for more information and comparison, and/or we get a mass soec/HPLC test ran on the mast and other compounds that people will be running.

 

[Fckit]

Exactly... It has not been tested as far as I know, so we don't know for sure if the Mast E has no test in it at all, so all these factors play an important role in comparison. Hopefully they'll be someone who comes along who will be doing a test only cycle for more information and comparison, and/or we get a mass soec/HPLC test ran on the mast and other compounds that people will be running.

That someone will be me. Taking one for the team and dropping everything but test. I think an oral kickstart of some other compound would be okay, as I would be off prior to blood work (let me know if not the case). Going to get pre bloods this week.

 

[dnml]

So I've been debating on posting my lab #'s because I'm NOT going to put the actual labs up and I don't wants the dramas, but here are my numbers. .. take it or leave it

Cruising on MS Sus 300, .5cc e3d. (Yes true cruise was my goal).

Test 1 was approx 36 hrs after inject, TT was 1238.

Test 2 was approx 85 hrs after inject, TT was 592.

Been cruising at this dose for about 5 wks.

 

[bickel29]

That is crazy that there was THAT big of a difference between results just 49 hours later! Maybe I am just dumb to what the variance SHOULD be - but that surprises me. I would have thought that the levels would have stayed more stable, especially with Sust. Interesting.

 

[heady muscle]

For Marcus? He is pushing 600mg per week. If he got 6k (10x) we'd have chaos in the streets of Mike Strong Land! Haha

Seriously, I wish someone in any of these threads would post up a 10x result. We just never see that with anyone's results, unless I have over looked it somewhere? But we can keep hope alive, right?

From the research I am doing on the 10x theory, I have found nothing that supports this claim that 10x the dose should equal serum blood levels. Occam's Razor seems to be in affect here without a solid cogitated formula for our basis.

This study demonstrates some what of what we are looking for:
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/figure/10.1210/jcem.84.10.6078

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

and yes, this one again too: http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172##

I have been corresponding with two of the Doctors in these studies. I directly asked them both if a rule of thumb 5x rule could be applied (I used 5x to see the reaction). One answer "It depends on the population - see again, the comparison our dose-response study for older men. Concentrations and effects can be much higher in older men ." My follow up question was how high, 10x???. Her response "that may too be high, but it is hard to determine because of the all variables involved." I haven't had a chance to follow it up. But I will.

My correspondence continues and hopefully I will learn more but I am swamp with my REAL job. lol. Feel free to follow up.

I've delved into this and I am only scratching the surface.

 

[mghoward74]

Just had bloods drawn 6 weeks in to my cycle of Strongs gear (600mg test e and 400mg mast e). Should have results hopefully by beginning of next week

Doing the same exact cycle.
We can compare

 

[bickel29]

From the research I am doing on the 10x theory, I have found nothing that supports this claim that 10x the dose should equal serum blood levels. Occam's Razor seems to be in affect here without a solid cogitated formula for our basis.

This study demonstrates some what of what we are looking for:
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/figure/10.1210/jcem.84.10.6078

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

and yes, this one again too: http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172##

I have been corresponding with two of the Doctors in these studies. I directly asked them both if a rule of thumb 5x rule could be applied (I used 5x to see the reaction). One answer "It depends on the population - see again, the comparison our dose-response study for older men. Concentrations and effects can be much higher in older men ." My follow up question was how high, 10x???. Her response "that may too be high, but it is hard to determine because of the all variables involved." I haven't had a chance to follow it up. But I will.

My correspondence continues and hopefully I will learn more but I am swamp with my REAL job. lol. Feel free to follow up.

I've delved into this and I am only scratching the surface.

Heady - tell your boss that Bickel29 said that we need you to fully concentrate on your testosterone test results studies - work can wait. I mean, does your boss even lift?

 

[heady muscle]

Heady - tell your boss that Bickel29 said that we need you to fully concentrate on your testosterone test results studies - work can wait. I mean, does your boss even lift?

He is a pencil neck geek from Dale Carnegie training with low self esteem and a snarl! lol!

I was on a conference call while typing that up. I have no idea what they said on it. Fuck it.

 

[Moose]

From the research I am doing on the 10x theory, I have found nothing that supports this claim that 10x the dose should equal serum blood levels. Occam's Razor seems to be in affect here without a solid cogitated formula for our basis.

This study demonstrates some what of what we are looking for:
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/figure/10.1210/jcem.84.10.6078

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

and yes, this one again too: http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172##

I have been corresponding with two of the Doctors in these studies. I directly asked them both if a rule of thumb 5x rule could be applied (I used 5x to see the reaction). One answer "It depends on the population - see again, the comparison our dose-response study for older men. Concentrations and effects can be much higher in older men ." My follow up question was how high, 10x???. Her response "that may too be high, but it is hard to determine because of the all variables involved." I haven't had a chance to follow it up. But I will.

My correspondence continues and hopefully I will learn more but I am swamp with my REAL job. lol. Feel free to follow up.

I've delved into this and I am only scratching the surface.

Thanks for digging deeper into this.