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bickel29 said:
That is crazy that there was THAT big of a difference between results just 49 hours later! Maybe I am just dumb to what the variance SHOULD be - but that surprises me. I would have thought that the levels would have stayed more stable, especially with Sust. Interesting.
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I was a little surprised as well. I am waiting on results from a 96 hr draw that I skipped a dose in order to have done, for more data. I'll put those numbers up when I get them.
 
Marcus said:
I would be very happy with 4,200+ as this would be upwards of 7X range. I guess realistically after seeing Tile's bloods, even though the raws are different for the prop and it's not a perfect comparison, my guess would be somewhere between 3,600 and 3,900? Since my dose was also split in to 2 weekly, but again all speculation at this point.

I have had good results with MS gear... Way better than the gear I was on before where bloods came back at 2,500 before I switched. Skin did not get oily until I switched, started hitting PR's in the gym more often, muscle definition and separation is definitely there as I started cutting about 4 weeks ago and the test/mast has aided in anti-catabolic behaviors with my body. Overall, I'm very happy... And the gear has no PIP which was a relief to say the least coming off of Spetz's bullshit. Overall, very happy with Strong's gear! Waiting for DMT's results from his bloodwork for the GH as well now to possibly hop on that between cycles :D
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Yeah the no PIP is sweet! I too am truly happy with my switch to MS gear myself. Im coming up on week 9 (first 4 weeks on another placebo brand) of a Test/Deca cycle and man do I feel good. Once I switched over the strength rolled in along with the mad sweating. Even got some acne on my back but man do I feel it working. I cant wait until my next run, gonna try his Test C/Tren A blend (I will get bloods on that cycle). I wish u the best of luck on your results bro! Get big!


Big Mike
 
Fckit said:
That someone will be me. Taking one for the team and dropping everything but test. I think an oral kickstart of some other compound would be okay, as I would be off prior to blood work (let me know if not the case). Going to get pre bloods this week.
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Check out my log brother. I'm currently on cycle right now of Mike Strongs Test E 300 injecting 600mg a week all at once on Sunday's. Running nothing else just to see what the numbers bring.
 
Just switched over to his test e this week. Will have bloods but only in about 3 weeks.

I assume I should wait at least that long in order to fully cycle the old suppliers test out of my system to have accurate numbers on ms. Unless someone says otherwise.
 
Two weeks exactly on MS NPP 100mg EOD. Started really feeling the effects of the NPP on Monday this week. More upbeat and my recovery time from workouts has drastically improved. I've played basketball 4 days in a row this week in addition to weight training and I feel like a beast. Thanks to @Voltrader for the guidance with the dosage regiment and of course thanks to MS for a great product.
 
mikestrong said:
THANKS TOP VIP MASTERS,
Yes this is pretty much spot on, I will be on though, but business first.
So that means emails, pm, and back & forth.

I can definitely say, since I have been here I have made it harder, & harder & then harder some more to get in.

I mean some are giving up after the first hurdle they get when they contact me. Of course if anyone has 1 good ref or 2 decent ref's they will get a friendly welcome & open service.
Ref's really is the best way for to be sure that they will follow through & be a GOOD VIP.

That is in NO way to say that others without REF's can be &/or are good VIP. But it requires more screening, that's for sure.

So yes I am turning business away, Telling some I can't help them, this is mostly when they want things their way/easy way. To bad, but it does not bother me. Got to Trust my experience & the SOLID advice of good TOP MEMBERS on here. THANKS VIP MASTERS & others.
Anyway back to work.
Respect
mikestrong
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It seems to me that it's worth jumping through hoops to work with someone who's got his shit squared away. Chances are that one doesn't have to worry about quality, security, and honesty with a source who's careful in their business dealings.

Those who would sell to anyone, anytime, or those who are desperate for business, well, those are the ones I'd be worried about.
 
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heady muscle said:
From the research I am doing on the 10x theory, I have found nothing that supports this claim that 10x the dose should equal serum blood levels. Occam's Razor seems to be in affect here without a solid cogitated formula for our basis.

This study demonstrates some what of what we are looking for:
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/figure/10.1210/jcem.84.10.6078

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2004-1184

and yes, this one again too: http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172##

I have been corresponding with two of the Doctors in these studies. I directly asked them both if a rule of thumb 5x rule could be applied (I used 5x to see the reaction). One answer "It depends on the population - see again, the comparison our dose-response study for older men. Concentrations and effects can be much higher in older men ." My follow up question was how high, 10x???. Her response "that may too be high, but it is hard to determine because of the all variables involved." I haven't had a chance to follow it up. But I will.

My correspondence continues and hopefully I will learn more but I am swamp with my REAL job. lol. Feel free to follow up.

I've delved into this and I am only scratching the surface.
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I'm glad someone is looking into this 10x subject which IMO rarely happens but I may be wrong. I've been on TRT 200mgs of test cypinate every 10 days and every few months my doc takes bloods. Every test has had drastically different results from around 200 a couple times and up to 1000. I asked the doc what's the deal and he explained there are a lot of things that can manipulate the test. Of course you all know how important timing is, if you happen to be taking other medications especially opiates your levels will come back lower.
Thanks @heady muscle for your post cause I'm now determined to find a large consensus of experts in the field and asking their opinion of what your bloods should be whether it's in fact 10x or 5x. I think this is too important a topic for our community which I think are expecting too high of levels. I totally agree with @heady muscle when there's no evidence to support the 10x theory claim. If your totally convinced of the 10x theory my intentions are not to prove you wrong just to get more information on what we should be looking for in our bloods whether it's 5x-10x. I will also follow up on the information I obtain.
 
[QUOTE="Boilermech, post: I'm currently on cycle right now of Mike Strongs Test E 300 injecting 600mg a week all at once on Sunday's. Running nothing else just to see what the numbers bring.[/QUOTE]

I am very curious how your results turn out with the once a week dose. Keep us all posted bro.
 
RockStar said:
I'm glad someone is looking into this 10x subject which IMO rarely happens but I may be wrong. I've been on TRT 200mgs of test cypinate every 10 days and every few months my doc takes bloods. Every test has had drastically different results from around 200 a couple times and up to 1000. I asked the doc what's the deal and he explained there are a lot of things that can manipulate the test. Of course you all know how important timing is, if you happen to be taking other medications especially opiates your levels will come back lower.
Thanks @heady muscle for your post cause I'm now determined to find a large consensus of experts in the field and asking their opinion of what your bloods should be whether it's in fact 10x or 5x. I think this is too important a topic for our community which I think are expecting too high of levels. I totally agree with @heady muscle when there's no evidence to support the 10x theory claim. If your totally convinced of the 10x theory my intentions are not to prove you wrong just to get more information on what we should be looking for in our bloods whether it's 5x-10x. I will also follow up on the information I obtain.
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Every 10 day injections will keep your levels all over the place . Also were your tests consistent as far as timing is considered. Ex. You always drew blood within 24-48 hrs after last pin

Opiates effect your natural production you are pinning testosterone not producing it.
 
id show my dog off but he to well known around the abkc.. and the bully community.. id get found out with a quickness i believe.. boy puts in work.. he had 5 out of state breedings this year and 2500 a pop. I get the call , load the pooch up, hit the road, drive to my repro specialist, she wacks him with a lil prostate masssage, and wham.. she splits the dose up and mails it overnight in some chilled pak.. everytime i get paid i buy the pooch some nice shit..lol
 
those are some good looking house patrollers right their!! My stepdad used to have one that was over 100lbs. He always had them dragging weights and tires around the yard!! Couldn't hardly walk the damn thing. you just had to hold on tight an it would just pretty much walk you!! lol Bad ass dogs though an one of my all time favorite breeds!!
 
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