laclark89
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U have read? Was that mandatory in the 70's and 80's when the human body was virtually the same as it is today?
To much YouTube bro.
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To much YouTube bro.
Was the general concensus on GH15, but granted i've been out of the game for 7-8 years or so, so I do need to touch up on my knowledge as i'm sure things change.
But I do stand behind the fact you should be running GH if youre on that much gear and insulin
laclark89
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All good, but i believe u said 1 gram gear and or insulin. What about if ur worried about cancer or cant afford it? Its not necessarily, aas= more bang for your buck. I dont notice anything on 3-4 iu gh not saying it dosent help.
Gh15 was such a meme source of information if you think about it now.
Effects of growth hormone on glucose metabolism and insulin resistance in human
Growth hormone (GH) is important for promotion of somatic growth and the regulation of substrate metabolism. Metabolic action of GH occurs in multiple tissues including the liver, muscle, fat and pancreas either directly or indirectly through insulin-like ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"GH therapy antagonizes insulin's action on peripheral tissues, such as the skeletal muscle, liver, and adipose tissue, thereby increases glucose production from the skeletal muscle and liver and decreases glucose uptake from adipose tissue. Insulin production is increased to compensate the increased circulating glucose after GH administration. GH-induced lipolysis in the visceral adipose tissue and subsequent increased circulating FFA also interferes with insulin signaling pathways, and chronic exposure to high FFA may exert direct toxicity in beta-cells. Meanwhile, IGF-1 has insulin-mimetic actions in the skeletal muscle and liver, and increased circulating IGF-1 after GH administration may have beneficial effects on glucose homeostasis and insulin resistance."
A Reappraisal of Testosterone’s Binding in Circulation: Physiological and Clinical Implications
In the circulation, testosterone and other sex hormones are bound to binding proteins, which play an important role in regulating their transport, distribution, metabolism, and biological activity. According to the free hormone hypothesis, which has been ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"The physiochemical characteristics and dynamics of the binding of testosterone toits binding proteins are poorly understood; oversimplified assumptions ofstoichiometry, binding dynamics, and binding affinity have contributed to thedevelopment of inaccurate linear binding models of testosterone to SHBG and HSA"
"Methods for the measurement of free testosterone levels are fraught with potentialproblems, including poor precision, inaccuracy, and low specificity, and reliableassays are not readily available to practicing clinicians; therefore, algorithmsbased on valid binding models that can be used to estimate circulating freetestosterone levels are needed to facilitate sound clinical decision making"
GH is synergistic with insulin. I guess the real question is at what threshold does gear stop binding to the receptors. Is 2g test better than 1g of test? is 3g of test better than 2g of test? at a certain threshold, it's no longer going to bind to the receptor, and is therefore rendered useless, or has only marginal benefits. Does GH affect this threshold? I don't have the answer to this, I'll probably save that for tommorow's reading as its getting late, but I can't imagine it would have an adverse impact and that it would only work synergistically with high dose test, like it would with insulin.
@DECLAN I agree, he did say a lot of stupid stuff, but there was also very knowledgeable/well informed people on the board that did actually share great information
Mishka
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Look at the bodies in the 70's and 80's - they don't look nearly as massive as the ones today.
My goal is to look like a todays Mr. O competitor in his off-season. Not like the classic physique guys from the 70's and 80's. I don't get what people like about that. Bodybuilding started to look good with Dorian Yates, when he brought the todays size.
Everything before is just too small IMHO. I like the massive freaks from today.
lukiss96
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Hey dude, I admire your dedication and will to become a mutant. But you have to understand that everybody's goal is different, some want to just look good for general population (myself). What you like is not universal and you should not look for validation, we all choose our own path. Advice yes, there are some very large individuals on this site, so I think they will be able to help and share their methods. In the world of PEDS there is no right or wrong. It's about minimizing risks. You see them freaks dying Bostin, Dallas, Piana and many others. Stay safe and good luck, friend.
bigboy420
Member
Hahahah, people ignoring this. I find it so funny
I get it, hes huge. But he will die this year. I bet my both ballz bro
Mishka
Member
We'll see
If you lose, how'd you send me both of your ballz bro?
You right, sorry if I sounded rude or ignorant.
Sure, everybody has it's own goals and I don't want to sound like my goal is the ultimate and everybody else's is "shit".
I respect everybody doing this sport and their goals
No hate against the look of anybody, I just wanted to clarify that I am not into this and that it takes more than just some deca dbol test to get where I want to be
bigboy420
Member
Ur huge bro, bet everybody would switch body with you. Im just wondering how you look inside. That mass is absurd.We'll see
If you lose, how'd you send me both of your ballz bro?
You right, sorry if I sounded rude or ignorant.
Sure, everybody has it's own goals and I don't want to sound like my goal is the ultimate and everybody else's is "shit".
I respect everybody doing this sport and their goals
Big respect & hope you healthy
Mishka
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Thank you, but I am not considering myself huge until I get like Mr. O big
...I got no idea what I look on the inside tbh.
Doing it the idiotic way. No bloodwork, no heart rate monitoring, no bloodsugar monitoring. Completely going by feel.
If I forgot to inject Slin, I get sleepy, so I know, I forgot it. lol.
Like I am taking the heart medications just prophylactically, so I may don't get a heartattack...
Also stopped the Metformin, cause I read it can may cause ED. And Sex > everything
bigboy420
Member
Oh my lord. I pray for you!Thank you, but I am not considering myself huge until I get like Mr. O big
I got no idea what I look on the inside tbh.
Doing it the idiotic way. No bloodwork, no heart rate monitoring, no bloodsugar monitoring. Completely going by feel.
If I forgot to inject Slin, I get sleepy, so I know, I forgot it. lol.
Like I am taking the heart medications just prophylactically, so I may don't get a heartattack...
Also stopped the Metformin, cause I read it can may cause ED. And Sex > everything
laclark89
Well-known Member
What do they say about If u die what u love doing?
I admire your journey and your goals, but you can't do all that without paying attention to your health.Thank you, but I am not considering myself huge until I get like Mr. O big
I got no idea what I look on the inside tbh.
Doing it the idiotic way. No bloodwork, no heart rate monitoring, no bloodsugar monitoring. Completely going by feel.
If I forgot to inject Slin, I get sleepy, so I know, I forgot it. lol.
Like I am taking the heart medications just prophylactically, so I may don't get a heartattack...
Also stopped the Metformin, cause I read it can may cause ED. And Sex > everything
At your level and with your objectives, this is something that you absolutely must review..
Blood test, blood sugar management, blood pressure management, These are basics that you absolutely must incorporate into your routine to achieve your goals.
Otherwise you risk ending up badly.
Why don't you use growth hormone?
Trainedbytylerlofthouse19
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You clearly have somewhat of an idea of what you are doing I mean look at you.. Insane physique my man.. If you are serious about this you must get your eating in order especially when using that amount of insulin..
Drop the MK and start some real HGH.. You could probably handle 6iu a day but if not obviously taper up to this dose.. Drop the Apidra dose out completely for now and use this anabolic rocket launcher later.. I would then drop Masteron to 700mg weekly or swap for NPP and up the Test to 2000mg and work on more size.. The HGH when you start getting your doses high coupled with consistent insulin and high dose Testosterone is the key to mutation.. Obviously all of this needs a food rich environment and constant muscle stimulation.. People can get the drugs down to a T but if the food and training ain't right it's never gunna happen..
HGH will eventually have to be over 15iu daily so keep that in mind for costs
Mishka
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Thank you, I may should be paying attention, you all are right.
But I do always think, like a smoker may thinks: "The doc says I am sick, I gotta stop or I will die (faster)" and then I would not stop anyway, because I am brainfucked and want to get huge (not feeling huge ever anyway).... so I think, why should I go to the doc, if I won't listen to him anyway you know... :/
I never did growth hormone because my wife does not want me to do it, she is afraid of a may undected cancer that would grow faster and kill me... I mean she knows I am doing steroids, but not which and how many... I just bring the syringe with oil and let her inject it...
and since (afaik) HGH needs to be in the fridge constantly, I can't just put it there without risking her recognizing it.But I had the idea to put the smallest needle I can find into on of my insulin pens, draw the insulin out, and inject it with the mixed hgh - that way I'd also have a "IU measurement" from the pen... but I just realized it won't work to measure it because there aren't 300 IU of hgh in 3 ml I guess
...Thank you for your input ♥ I did also think about going for like 12 IUs of growth per day, like 3 iu every 6 hours maybe... just gotta find a workaround with the insulin pen thing I mentioned above
...So you'd say go for 2g Test and lower the mast to like 700 mg... that would be more anabolic?
I just came from a long run of Tren / Deca and I really don't like the 19NOR feeling it gives me mentally.
Also I know I gotta get my food in place... I mean I eat whatever I want, whenever I want, and how much I want, just always high protein with every meal.
bigboy420
Member
Ah man. By ur posts im guessing you gonna die this year. Tell family members about meso so they can tell us when is the funneral.Thank you, I may should be paying attention, you all are right.
But I do always think, like a smoker may thinks: "The doc says I am sick, I gotta stop or I will die (faster)" and then I would not stop anyway, because I am brainfucked and want to get huge (not feeling huge ever anyway).... so I think, why should I go to the doc, if I won't listen to him anyway you know... :/
I never did growth hormone because my wife does not want me to do it, she is afraid of a may undected cancer that would grow faster and kill me... I mean she knows I am doing steroids, but not which and how many... I just bring the syringe with oil and let her inject it...
But I had the idea to put the smallest needle I can find into on of my insulin pens, draw the insulin out, and inject it with the mixed hgh - that way I'd also have a "IU measurement" from the pen... but I just realized it won't work to measure it because there aren't 300 IU of hgh in 3 ml I guess
Thank you for your input ♥ I did also think about going for like 12 IUs of growth per day, like 3 iu every 6 hours maybe... just gotta find a workaround with the insulin pen thing I mentioned above
So you'd say go for 2g Test and lower the mast to like 700 mg... that would be more anabolic?
I just came from a long run of Tren / Deca and I really don't like the 19NOR feeling it gives me mentally.
Also I know I gotta get my food in place... I mean I eat whatever I want, whenever I want, and how much I want, just always high protein with every meal.
WOULD BE A HONOR VISITING A GRAVE OF A MUTANT
Jiobani
Member
Dude... you are diabetic. You need to see a doctor.
What you're doing is unhealthy , but I don't judge.
What you're doing is unhealthy , but I don't judge.
Mishka
Member
I am not - like I told you. Get your balls ready to be delivered to me
Fattyone
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This is where you need to change the way you’re thinking.
There’s a reason this is a HARM REDUCTION forum and not an anti steroid forum.
There IS a right way and a wrong way wrong way to do this, where health is definitely taken into consideration.
