MuscleCandy - US Domestic

[BigNoOne]

This is exactly what it comes down to. Sources humoring members by posting some samples & pretending to care… customers can squint their eyes very tightly and play along, but we all know the truth.

It’s no secret that most sources are almost certainly getting their raws from the same few places. @readalot has suggested that even compounding pharmacies may share the same raw suppliers as UGLs (and they likely do). There’s a reason they allow for a 10% variance. Not even they’re testing the raws.

Alright bud. I said everything that needed to be said. Your decision. Your business.

Variance for pharmaceutical companies assume that they are working with legitimate ingredients. They aren’t doing what you as a UGL is doing.

Incidentally, most UGLs that blind brew toss in 10% more to cover themselves and error on giving their customers more value.

 

[FastBun]

Alright bud. I said everything that needed to be said. Your decision. Your business.

Variance for pharmaceutical companies assume that they are working with legitimate ingredients. They aren’t doing what you as a UGL is doing.

Incidentally, most UGLs that blind brew toss in 10% more to cover themselves and error on giving their customers more value.

Respect to you. Sorry about earlier. Sometimes you just have to let them carry on bruv… you tried

 

[readalot]

@readalot has suggested that even compounding pharmacies may share the same raw suppliers as UGLs (and they likely do

Could there be some overlap? Sounds plausible.

Do I have the data to claim it is a sizeable fraction? No.

Quite the rabbit hole to get a raw/API COA from the compounder/503B outsourcing facility.

 

[MuscleCandy]

Alright bud. I said everything that needed to be said. Your decision. Your business.

Variance for pharmaceutical companies assume that they are working with legitimate ingredients. They aren’t doing what you as a UGL is doing.

Incidentally, most UGLs that blind brew toss in 10% more to cover themselves and error on giving their customers more value.

Most sources tell you everything you want to hear. That’s the difference.

Again, please, somebody point me toward a source that’s consistently posting raw testing. How easy it would be to post a few samples of raw testing (as you suggested) and only post the most favorable testing of finished product…

Again, it all comes down to trust. We feel that’s best achieved through transparency.
Blind tests not matching up with the source’s testing? Perfectly reasonable...
But a source posts test results 5% under??
Oh brother, this guy stinks!!

And I’m not trying to be facetious. It’s just the reality of how things go here.

 

[jayteelif87]

Most sources tell you everything you want to hear. That’s the difference.

Again, please, somebody point me toward a source that’s consistently posting raw testing. How easy it would be to post a few samples of raw testing (as you suggested) and only post the most favorable testing of finished product…

Again, it all comes down to trust. We feel that’s best achieved through transparency.
Blind tests not matching up with the source’s testing? Perfectly reasonable...
But a source posts test results 5% under??
Oh brother, this guy stinks!!

And I’m not trying to be facetious. It’s just the reality of how things go here.

Just gonna leave this one here:

Both Janoshik and Analiza received raw materials from the same package for testing, there were no irregularities on our part.

Although the majority of the raw materials tested within minimal variance between the two testing facilities, there were a few with significant differences. Please see below.

After careful consideration, the injectables were produced in accordance to Janoshik's results.



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[Sampei]

It’s not that we’re cheap, it’s that it’s not feasible.
If we tested every bit of raws that we get, we would constantly be out of stock on products.

Say we get 1kg of Test E; if we send it out for testing it’ll likely take at least 2-3 weeks to get results. Members here expect us to do this with every kg we purchase? We would be waiting (at minimum) several weeks before we could even use it. Now pair that with the fact that we have 50+ compounds.
Sure, you can do it when you homebrew because keeping product in stock isn’t a concern. You can send out raws, wait a few weeks, find out the exact percentage and brew your compounds. 10g of raws will last you a long time if it’s just for personal use.

If sources are truly testing their raws, they should be posting raw testing damn near every day. Please point me to a source that’s doing this. If they’ve posted raw tests it’s only to keep the community happy, because that batch of raws is almost certainly brewed and long gone by now.

Testing the finished product just makes more sense.

you buy 1kg at a time? are you a fucking amateur or what? you playing with mama money that you can't afford to buy 5kg at once of those basic compounds at least?

I mean I probably have a bigger stock than you lol pathetic.

If you buy enough quantity of raw your logic make no sense. Of course if you are a cheap fuck buying just a bit of raw every time it does make sense... but it doesn't work well in your favor it just shows what kind of an amateur you are.

 

[MuscleCandy]

you buy 1kg at a time? are you a fucking amateur or what? you playing with mama money that you can't afford to buy 5kg at once of those basic compounds at least?

I mean I probably have a bigger stock than you lol pathetic.

If you buy enough quantity of raw your logic make no sense. Of course if you are a cheap fuck buying just a bit of raw every time it does make sense... but it doesn't work well in your favor it just shows what kind of an amateur you are.

They’re typically packaged by the kg. Sometimes with no way to tell if they’re even from different batches. You can buy 10kg at once, it’s usually all separated by kg from the supplier.
Hope that helps.

 

[MuscleCandy]

Just gonna leave this one here:

Testing from raws done in May…. & you believe he’s still using the same batch of raws? No shade to Opti, I like him a lot. Just curious.

We would’ve been through those raws 10x in a matter of 6 months.. we can send raw samples out and post them every 6 months, too… if that’ll make you all happy.

 

[Sampei]

They’re typically packaged by the kg. Sometimes with no way to tell if they’re even from different batches. You can buy 10kg at once, it’s usually all separated by kg from the supplier.
Hope that helps.

buddy come on I'm pretty sure that if you were to buy 5kg of raw or even 10kgs of x product and ask that it comes from the same batch that could be arranged, could that be arranged for me, little no one? of course not.
for an UGL buying thousand of $ every x week/month? Sure it can.

Are you willing to? No you are not. Have you ever tried to ask? no you didn't.

Have you even tried to see if there is variance between those 1kg packages bought all together that you are saying they could come from different batches? no you didn't.

 

[BigNoOne]

They’re typically packaged by the kg. Sometimes with no way to tell if they’re even from different batches. You can buy 10kg at once, it’s usually all separated by kg from the supplier.
Hope that helps.

And you certainly can’t break them all open, blend together, grab a sample, and the pack for later use. We all know that’s how raws explode. Seen too many steroid labs blow up this year.

 

[BigNoOne]

Testing from raws done in May…. & you believe he’s still using the same batch of raws? No shade to Opti, I like him a lot. Just curious.

We would’ve been through those raws 10x in a matter of 6 months.. we can send raw samples out and post them every 6 months, too… if that’ll make you all happy.

You have an answer for everything huh?!

Geezus. The point was that at least he tests his raws. Unlike some people we know….

 

[Sampei]

And you certainly can’t break them all open, blend together, grab a sample, and the pack for later use. We all know that’s how raws explode. Seen too many steroid labs blow up this year.

I mean I didn't even think about that... it's even simpler than what I suggested.

 

[MuscleCandy]

And you certainly can’t break them all open, blend together, grab a sample, and the pack for later use. We all know that’s how raws explode. Seen too many steroid labs blow up this year.

With this logic, what would even be the point??????
Say one of those kgs is completely bunk (which is the whole point of your argument), then it degrades the entire thing. The only way you could confidently do this would be to (you guessed it), trust your supplier.

 

[MuscleCandy]

You have an answer for everything huh?!

Geezus. The point was that at least he tests his raws. Unlike some people we know….

The point is null.
The point from the beginning is that raws should be tested before use. If you’re only doing it once or twice a year so that you have results to show people, then the only purpose it serves is to make you look good on the forums.

EDIT:
If that’s all you guys want, we’d be happy to invest the money on raw testing for all of our compounds twice a year just to get you to shut up about it. Seems like it works for other sources.

 

[readalot]

Amen!

The point from the beginning is that raws should be tested before use

 

[FastBun]

buddy come on I'm pretty sure that if you were to buy 5kg of raw or even 10kgs of x product and ask that it comes from the same batch that could be arranged, could that be arranged for me, little no one? of course not.
for an UGL buying thousand of $ every x week/month? Sure it can.

Are you willing to? No you are not. Have you ever tried to ask? no you didn't.

Have you even tried to see if there is variance between those 1kg packages bought all together that you are saying they could come from different batches? no you didn't.

His brain must have exploded thinking about this lol… This guy wishes he was moving 5kg of test a month

 

[readalot]

If that’s all you guys want, we’d be happy to invest the money on raw testing for all of our compounds twice a year just to get you to shut up about it.

Negative. I am looking for fundamental shift in the way vendors look at this. Become the champion for excellent anabolic products that aren't available anywhere else. Be the Standard.

 

[BigNoOne]

Why would anyone buy from this source???

Total shit show. Wow.

 

[readalot]

Why would anyone buy from this source???

Total shit show. Wow.

Sources will adapt to these suggestions. I assume the smaller ones will take the lead?

I don't understand the hesitation with methodical and defensible approach. You can do that AND provide transparency to build trust.

I must be very slow. Still don't get why you can't test raws before making finished product on all batches.

 

[iris]

Sources will adapt to these suggestions. I assume the smaller ones will take the lead?

I don't understand the hesitation with methodical and defensible approach. You can do that AND provide transparency to build trust.

I must be very slow. Still don't get why you can't test raws before making finished product on all batches.

They should take advantage, by being domestic, and offer a better product and service, looking at what people are currently getting out of China.
Cheaper but questionable quality, recurrent issues with shipping, inconsistent communication and so on.
Anyone with a brain would position themselves in a way that offers a better alternative to such practices.