My new approach to long term bodybuilding and health

Before I begin, I would like to make it known I make this post looking for true opinions and advice. I am not here to get under anyones skin*******. As many of you know, we have seen a handful of bodybuilders bite the dust this year. To say heavy anabolic use does not play a factor in those deaths is ludicrous. I’m not here to troll or start a bs thread. I’m just here to simply outline my new approach so I can do this for the long run and not kick the bucket before I hit 45. For me, I’m not trying to get much bigger. Maybe another 5-10 pounds of muscle.I’m not a pro, I don’t aspire to be, I couldn’t be even if I wanted to. I’m about to look into starting my family. I do not make money from this sport. But, with the current deaths we are seeing in the body building world, and after getting my recent check up, I’ve concluded it’s best to stick to the follow protocol for both health, longevity, and steady gains

-pharmaceutical compounds only

-8 month blast period of 600-650 test/ week* highest studied dose in young males, proven to be safe. Study from 2006 I beleive* followed by 50 mg of Anavar OR 50 mg of anadrol *no more than 5 weeks* include Telmesartian and TUDCA, fish oil, and vitamin D will be included everyday.



-200 mg a week for cruise/hrt



-frequent checkups with bloodwork



-possibly invest in a cpap machine



-a calorie increase of 500 on blast phases



A good goal to shoot for is approximately 1 pound of muscle per month. You can gain about 10-12 pounds of true lean tissue per year when enhanced. *depending on your training, diet, sleep, etc* Wether you’re taking 600 mg, or 4 grams. Granted, you’ll need to be more strict than you would be on 4 grams of multiple compounds. This explanation makes since. If someone started taking AAS at 20, lived 100% “by the book” and did everything to a T, they’d have about 45-50 pounds of lean tissue by age 25. Nick walker seems to be a good example of this based off his 5 year progress where I believe he’s gained around 50 pounds of tissue. Granted, as I said- I don’t desire to get to that level. Id like to live a long life. I think another important thing to remember is that any muscle gained over what your body will allow you to hold is only temporary *which I know everyone here knows * I may or may not include other pharmaceutical compounds at times, such as primobolan , EQ can be considered “found in nature” so that’s always an option…maybe? if I feel that it’s worth it. I’ve said many many many times that I feel testosterone is a shitty muscle builder. Maybe my theory will be proven as false with this new way of going about things, maybe it will be proven correct. Time will tell. After many conversations with many people who source, long time vets, etc….they say “test is best” but I also see the point Tony Huge is trying to make when he says muscle gaining wise, test is last on the list next to cosmetic compounds like Mast and Proviron….this journey will show if it’s true or not. Nonetheless, I truly wish everyone stay healthy and live a long, happy life.
 
you will not build 10-12 pounds of lean mass each year with 600mg test and a short anavar/anadrol cycle. 100% safe.
Also, whats that dumb statement you gain the same on 600mg as on 4g?
not sure what else i should critizie, that post is dumb as shit.
600mg test is not safe. 200mg cruise is not safe.
 
I would also like to add; it’s not easy to do this. Especially when im use to seeing a crazy, un naturally obtainable physique that I’ve built with time, hard training and of course, not so healthy drug habits. I’m sure many of us struggle with body dysmorphia. For myself, going from 207 and still pretty lean *14% bf* down to maybe 178 and lean *hopefully as that’s my current goal in mind* is very hard to see happen right before your own eyes. A part of me already feels as if I’m not even 30% of what I use to be. I know my heart, kidneys and liver will be happy…but on the outside I question if I will be happy. It’s already began to make me a more irritated person since going off….If anyone has anything they’d like to add, please feel free to do so. Have a good weekend everyone
 
you will not build 10-12 pounds of lean mass each year with 600mg test and a short anavar/anadrol cycle. 100% safe.
Also, whats that dumb statement you gain the same on 600mg as on 4g?
not sure what else i should critizie, that post is dumb as shit.
600mg test is not safe. 200mg cruise is not safe.
Thank you for your input. I will take this into consideration moving forward
 
I would also like to add; it’s not easy to do this. Especially when im use to seeing a crazy, un naturally obtainable physique that I’ve built with time, hard training and of course, not so healthy drug habits. I’m sure many of us struggle with body dysmorphia. For myself, going from 207 and still pretty lean *14% bf* down to maybe 178 and lean *hopefully as that’s my current goal in mind* is very hard to see happen right before your own eyes. A part of me already feels as if I’m not even 30% of what I use to be. I know my heart, kidneys and liver will be happy…but on the outside I question if I will be happy. It’s already began to make me a more irritated person since going off….If anyone has anything they’d like to add, please feel free to do so. Have a good weekend everyone
178pounds and "pretty lean" is your goal?
how tall are you? 158cm?
you can be 178 pounds and lean and muscular with just trt dosages, trust me.
Also, you wont lose all your muscle once you go to trt.
I am on trt+ 1,5iu hgh since may and i would say i lost maybe a tiny tiny bit of muscle and some fullness + sharpness. Nothing more and i was 230/16% bf at 172cm before
 
178pounds and "pretty lean" is your goal?
how tall are you? 158cm?
you can be 178 pounds and lean and muscular with just trt dosages, trust me.
Also, you wont lose all your muscle once you go to trt.
I am on trt+ 1,5iu hgh since may and i would say i lost maybe a tiny tiny bit of muscle and some fullness + sharpness. Nothing more and i was 230/16% bf at 172cm before
I am a little under 5’9. That’s a big thing for me also, losing the fullness is going to be a killer. I’ve always had some decent vascularity, so maybe that is a plus. I consider hgh in small doses as well
 
if i could turn back time i would do this:
250mg test e5d + 3-4iu quality hgh 16 weeks
80mg test e5d + 1,5iu quality hgh 16 weeks
repeat
strong focus on diet, 4-5 training days per week focused on progressive overload, avoid overtraining.
2x 60min Liss on rest days, 2x 20min MISS post workout on easier days
Simple yet effective
 
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if i could turn back time i would do this:
250mg test e5d + 3-4iu quality hgh 16 weeks
80mg test e5d + 1,5iu quality hgh 16 weeks
repeat
strong focus on diet, 4-5 training days per week focused on progressive overload, avoid overtraining.
2x 60min Liss on rest days, 2x 20min MISS post workout on easier days
Simple yet effective
So let me ask you this………..600 mg of test. Is that even going to do anything?
 
if 600mg test is not doing anything for you then you either have a crappy diet or you dont like a pussy :-D
 
if 600mg test is not doing anything for you then you either have a crappy diet or you dont like a pussy :-D
Fair. I’m actually adjusting my diet. I use to treat myself more than I should have with bs like banana pudding, candies etc. i suppose it’s because I never got fat from it. In terms of muscle, is test alone worth it? That’s what I’m really trying to ask. Thankfully, I have a girlfriend, whom does indeed have a pussy :D
 
Fair. I’m actually adjusting my diet. I use to treat myself more than I should have with bs like banana pudding, candies etc. i suppose it’s because I never got fat from it. In terms of muscle, is test alone worth it? That’s what I’m really trying to ask. Thankfully, I have a girlfriend, whom does indeed have a pussy :D
wanted to write "train like a pussy" hahaha^^
but good to know you also like pussy.
Test is king, simple.
600mg is not a low amount in my opinion. So many people (me included in the past) overrely on roids and neglect diet and training because they think the roids fix those issues.
I bet you would still built muscle on 250mg test e5d and 3-4iu quality hgh. Hell you could even do 2-3 times fast insulin a week and it would still be healthier than your approach 600mg test and 200mg cruise and probably yield better results
 
Fair. I’m actually adjusting my diet. I use to treat myself more than I should have with bs like banana pudding, candies etc. i suppose it’s because I never got fat from it. In terms of muscle, is test alone worth it? That’s what I’m really trying to ask. Thankfully, I have a girlfriend, whom does indeed have a pussy :D
Test alone is definitely worth it, just not at low doses like 600mg stand-alone cycle, when you have years of enhanced training under your belt.
 
Test alone is definitely worth it, just not at low doses like 600mg stand-alone cycle, when you have years of enhanced training under your belt.
Well that’s a bummer to hear. I just don’t want to train natty. Not my thing. So it’s disappointing to hear that I’ll just be spinning my wheels
 
Well that’s a bummer to hear. I just don’t want to train natty. Not my thing. So it’s disappointing to hear that I’ll just be spinning my wheels
Honestly man if you want to Stick to just test, that’s okay, but you can still do high mg test cycles and than cruise on a normal dose, as long as you don’t get crazy sides even doses >1g are pretty easily manageable on just test alone.
 
Honestly man if you want to Stick to just test, that’s okay, but you can still do high mg test cycles and than cruise on a normal dose, as long as you don’t get crazy sides even doses >1g are pretty easily manageable on just test alone.
But is it worth it in terms of muscle gains? If I can’t get anything out of it then I don’t see the point
 
Where do people come up with the idea that test doesn't do much on its own? Am I the only one who blew up during his first test only cycle? Guess what. It keeps happening if you keep upping the dosage. You will plateau if you stay on the same amount.
 
Where do people come up with the idea that test doesn't do much on its own? Am I the only one who blew up during his first test only cycle? Guess what. It keeps happening if you keep upping the dosage. You will plateau if you stay on the same amount.
Personally, I got little to nothing. I agree with what you’re saying. But at the same time, you can’t up the dose forever. Just like you can’t stay on gear forever. Unless you’re planning to be in the grave early….and I’m not trying to
 
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