Not quite facts since you state all these vendors test the same as pharma hgh. Have you seen Goodlyfe’s current results? Have you paid attention to all his testing? It’s hit or miss whether his hgh has dimmer and where exactly it will test with purity. You can blame the purity fluctuations of course on Jano’s 5% margin of error but can’t really with the dimmer. I believe half of his batches or nearly half have tested with dimmer.
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Not quite facts since you state all these vendors test the same as pharma hgh. Have you seen Goodlyfe’s current results? Have you paid attention to all his testing? It’s hit or miss whether his hgh has dimmer and where exactly it will test with purity. You can blame the purity fluctuations of course on Jano’s 5% margin of error but can’t really with the dimmer. I believe half of his batches or nearly half have tested with dimmer.
Is that not his latest HGH test result?
I dont see any other post in the thread. Please post if you have these other tests.
Liska
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I believe your intentions are good but you really need to look at more stuff before you can lay claim to facts.
1. Proof that it ranges from 94-96% please, as establishing any such range requires testing of multiple samples from the same batch.
2. New testing method was used from January 2021 onwards, Jano posted a thread for this explaining it, so you just have to check the testing conducted date on labtests to know which method was used.
3. Genotropin is not at all the only HGH tested at 97% with no dimers via the new method.
4. Mauves #100 tested 96% via the new method and isn't the only batch outside your claimed range either.
5. No generic HGH tests at the same approximate purity as pharmaceutical HGH consistently/presently unless you cherrypick only the best generics and worst pharma results. Here's the best pharma HGH test I've seen thanks to @SkankHunt - Jintropin was also the best tested HGH via the old method iirc.
Yes if your looking at batch J. I don’t click links so not sure what you’re looking at. Purity looks good but there is dimmer. Point being you hyped him up to be the same as pharma and mentioned him with others that actually do test like phamra. If you look at his current batch and look at batches A-J you’ll see dimmer here and there. He does have some batches that test good from time to time but is inconsistent
scientifik
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There is an ansomone test?
Liska
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Was talking about this with someone yesterday actually, I cannot remember seeing it tested via the new method.
scientifik
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Unfortunately is not possible to get it anymore direct. They stopped selling to the public..
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I think Jinotrpoin was out of production.
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Because of thightening of Chinese government policy, pharmaceutical products aren't allowed to be traded publicly anymore. In the past, we used to sell only Livzon for hcg and Renjian HMG and unlabeling them, some guys has already recognize the pharma hmg with green tops in the past, we could source direcly from pharmaceutical companies batches of these, now all this is over, they supply only hospitals, no one is allowed to sell or buy this, and those who trade these or could source them can have serious troubles with Chinese government.
scientifik
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And from where all those ugl hgh comes? I don't think they all have the recombinant technology to supply all those..
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Yes it sucks, for ages Ankebio used to supply individual customers via a Hong Kong based shipping agent. 'Nancy' RIP
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Many chinese factories have the recombinant technology for HGH raw synthesis and peptides as well. Chinese suppliers buy these raws, freeze-dry it and put it in vials. Talking about the chinese ones, because only very few ones do this out of china as it needs big investments, most of them are just resellers. So for all the brands you buy, they are in the 3rd part of the chain, we are in the second, and the first almost no lab present here has access to this one, to have it you have to be Chinese, who lives in China and knows the business well enough, especially to get access to quality at cheapest prices.
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scientifik
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Quitrope is pharma grade in china right?
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The word "pharma grade" is meaningless, it's generic or pharma, pharma is what you find in pharmacy and hospitals, generic is the other stuff you will find in the market.
Now we have the affordable HPLC methods to distinguish good and bad quality products, so the GMP/Pharma grade scam used by many labs during years to prove quality has no sens anymore. Otherwise every UGL will call themselves pharma grade with GMP standards..
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So what is the actual difference between Pharm Grade vs Chinese generics? For example, why can Norditropin charge $1800 dollars for 45iu pen, but Chinese labs can make 100ius for less that 50 dollars?
I'm sure it has to do with research and development, and also how Big Pharm rapes people with 2000% profit margins, but there must be some difference in quality? Perhaps the only thing is quality control, knowing that big pharm products are what they claim they are, where with Chinese generics, you may be getting scammed?
Do you feel scammed by QSC generic HGH?
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Well Norditropin do not charge $1800 a 45iu pen, you can get leaked norditropin from Algerian pharm for less than 1/5 of this price, that's why norditropin is cheap in french UGL market, again it's just margins and profits, I have no doubts that the pen cost them less than $30.
it's the same reason why you get 1ml of pharma test for $20 and 1 ml of chinese test less than half dollar, and both will Jano test perfectly and maybe the chinese can test better.
The same reason why you get a 500ml bottle of water in airport at $4 and 10L for $1 elsewhere of same brand.
Big pharm products are what they are? not sure about that, Skank tested Genotropin 36iu and it came 96.7% while some UGL can come close to this purity and properly dosed/overdosed, for the prices that you know, 1g of hgh powder cost less than $700 at production, the more you produce the more the price decrease, with 1g you can make 250 vials of 10iu, which means less than $30/kit.
A pharma company such as Pfitzer is nothing more than an greedy UGL with importation licenses to get HGH raws, with higher quality control processes than common UGL, but with the new generation of UGL who are more paying attention at quality and purity, many UGL products already beat pharm products.
Liska
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Pretty much everything you posted is correct except for this, as pharma companies produce their own HGH API, for example:
Pfizer Genotropin Manufacturing, Strangnas - Pharmaceutical Technology
Pfizer is one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Recent restructuring has led to the company putting more…
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com
There's a lot of money between the top of the chain as a manufacturer of HGH API and the second in chain you mentioned. OneQ and Hilma Biocare produce their own but they're not testing better than chinese product, whereas Chimera was a lesser known producer from Sweden that did have 97% (new method ofc) pure generic HGH pens but they got busted about a year ago unfortunately.
The second step of lyophilizing/freeze-drying HGH API mixed with fillers is relatively simple in comparison and a non-issue. On this note, I'm confused how Meditrope Goldtops end up at ~17iu and the general variance of their quantity content across batches as that's not something seen by any other manufacturer, so I wonder what the instructions given are for filling vials.
Whereas pharmaceutical companies are subject to far stricter quality control standards outlined by the Pharmacopeia / GMP guidelines, @janoshik did post the RSD for quantity, purity and dimer about a month ago and they are fairly low insofar our community would reject products that would still meet those standards, so while the big pharmaceutical manufacturers have the means to finetune HGH production to match Gensci, they haven't a financial incentive for this, as the medical purpose and thus dosages of HGH are much different from the needs and dosage protocols of bodybuilders.
Getting chinese manufacturers of HGH API to finetune their process to score better on Janoshik's testing method, which they neither understand nor have direct access to, is the biggest headache in all of this and thus one of the biggest theoretical advantages of having control over this part of manufacturing.
Ultimately setting up your own HGH API production isn't a financial issue but one of finding the highly talented people needed to get the R&D and tech to the point where your product is on par or superior even to the competition.
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I'm just tired of people saying "Muh pharm grade and everything else is fake." While the Chinese are notorious of faking shit, that doesn't mean everything they produce is fake; it all comes down to source. If what is in the vial is actually GH, then the entire "2ius of pharm equal 8ius of generic GH!" is just nonsense, unless the GH in the generic gh is under-dosed.
It's the same myth that all primo is fake; well maybe UGL is faking primo by putting in Masteron or something, but my raw powder is real AF, and I'm happy I started brewing so I could take real primo, and not pay $110 10ml bottle lol.
It's the same myth that all primo is fake; well maybe UGL is faking primo by putting in Masteron or something, but my raw powder is real AF, and I'm happy I started brewing so I could take real primo, and not pay $110 10ml bottle lol.
