My personal experience with various Hgh- TP, Opti, GoodLyfe, Serostim...

[Deleted member 123722]

Do you feel scammed by QSC generic HGH?

Not at all. Of course the price makes it seem that it must be low-quality, but I don't think that is the case. The person who put me on QSC is currently taking pharm grade, and he said the difference is not worth it.

I used to take Goodlyfe, and I got back 374 IGF-1 levels at 5ius ED. When I started QSC, I got levels of 315, which is lower, but I wasn't on it as long as the other when I took the test. So, the difference in score is about 59 points on the test. QSC costs 70 a kit, whereas GL costs 125 per... is it worth paying another 55 dollars to get 59 points higher on the IGF-1 score? I don't think so. And again, the scores could vary for several reasons.

Point is QSC is real GH no doubt; I haven't seen them test their kits lately, which would be nice, but they aren't scamming anyone from my personal experience.

 

[scientifik]

Not at all. Of course the price makes it seem that it must be low-quality, but I don't think that is the case. The person who put me on QSC is currently taking pharm grade, and he said the difference is not worth it.

I used to take Goodlyfe, and I got back 374 IGF-1 levels at 5ius ED. When I started QSC, I got levels of 315, which is lower, but I wasn't on it as long as the other when I took the test. So, the difference in score is about 59 points on the test. QSC costs 70 a kit, whereas GL costs 125 per... is it worth paying another 55 dollars to get 59 points higher on the IGF-1 score? I don't think so. And again, the scores could vary for several reasons.

Point is QSC is real GH no doubt; I haven't seen them test their kits lately, which would be nice, but they aren't scamming anyone from my personal experience.

Did you get igf score on pharma high?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Did you get igf score on pharma high?

Never. Anytime I got a hold of pharma, it was only a kit at a time, where I didn't have the ability to do it; I was also younger when I had those connections in my late 20s. I only learned of Meso recently

 

[scientifik]

Never. Anytime I got a hold of pharma, it was only a kit at a time, where I didn't have the ability to do it; I was also younger when I had those connections.

Would be great if someone shares his igf on pharma, I am pretty sure someone did it

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

Point is QSC is real GH no doubt; I haven't seen them test their kits lately, which would be nice, but they aren't scamming anyone from my personal experience.

This week you will see it

 

[Sly Devil]

I haven't seen them test their kits lately, which would be nice, but they aren't scamming anyone from my personal experience.

They have never tested their kits and they have scammed very openly for the record.

They share the hell out out a test report that was done a long time ago by another community that doesn’t even have the dimmer content. Without that report there would be no data at all for their hgh. Their current batch has 0 testing

 

[scientifik]

i am happy there is atleast one guy on the board that shares my experience/opinion that pharma is far superior even to good generics

I read that you tried quitrope! How it was?

 

[Liska]

Would be great if someone shares his igf on pharma, I am pretty sure someone did it

Where did the belief that IGF-1 score is related to the quality/purity of HGH come from anyways? It's mostly related to the quantity and then subject to so many lifestyle factors and bloodmarkers that I'll argue noone would ever be able to tell apart a decent generic and pharma HGH by their IGF-1 score if both products came in unmarked vials.

 

[scientifik]

Where did the belief that IGF-1 score is related to the quality/purity of HGH come from anyways? It's mostly related to the quantity and then subject to so many lifestyle factors and bloodmarkers that I'll argue noone would ever be able to tell apart a decent generic and pharma HGH by their IGF-1 score if both products came in unmarked vials.

I know there are a lot of variables but in general it's a good Indicator of how is working considering all other parameters remains the same

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

I know there are a lot of variables but in general it's a good Indicator of how is working considering all other parameters remains the same

It's the worst indicator, it's like e2 score and its link with quality of testosterone.
You can take 10iu of quality HGH and have IGF-1 levels in natural range, and you can score 400 with 2iu generic.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

It's the worst indicator, it's like e2 score and its link with quality of testosterone.
You can take 10iu of quality HGH and have IGF-1 levels in natural range, and you can score 400 with 2iu generic.

Good to know. I don't notice any difference between the kits, or any kits for that matter.

 

[Karabudjan]

It's the worst indicator, it's like e2 score and its link with quality of testosterone.
You can take 10iu of quality HGH and have IGF-1 levels in natural range, and you can score 400 with 2iu generic.

Sir, in a few days I will start with your yk11 injectable. Could you tell me the best way to use it, I'm going to be on a cruise with 500mg a week of sustanon and hgh 6ui. What dose and duration do you recommend and frequency of injections? Thanks sir

 

[B Ware]

It's the worst indicator, it's like e2 score and its link with quality of testosterone.
You can take 10iu of quality HGH and have IGF-1 levels in natural range, and you can score 400 with 2iu generic.

Not true. Sure, for a guy that’s never pulled igf1 and hopes/bases what he should score off another member’s results then yeah it’s probably a poor choice to gauge things.

For someone like myself that has pulled dozens of times it’s a pretty good gauge as I know how my body reacts and have a ball park of where it should score. That’s why when members share labs we are constantly asking, “do you have base labs? Do you have other labs to compare to?”

Igf1 is a great tool but the individual needs more data of where they typical score. Labs shouldn’t necessarily be to see if your gear is junk but to check on health markers and see how your body reacts which in turn gives you data.

Years ago there was a doctor here who pretty much said that when pulling labs if your T score didn’t equal x10 your dose it was underdosed. We now know that not to be true. Why, because MANY like myself pull labs on phamra trt and saw that for them they score around the x7 range of their dose (example)

 

[thebiggening]

Never tried the generics but some look good based on labs, depending on their authenticity. I've only ran pfizer and lily and I liked the pfizer better because I had no issues reconstituting it. The sides were only fatigue above 4iu's. If I was guessing, generic sides might have something to do with the medium they use

 

[Estaban02]

Im currently using 5 iu’s of tp nlacktops and have had no sides at all. I woke up Friday morning snd had some
Much pain in my stomach i had to fomto the hospital. It was unbearable. It was a constant severe pain amd went in for 7 hours. I think i used to much but no sides at all other than that. Any thought’s?

 

[Evom1]

Im currently using 5 iu’s of tp nlacktops and have had no sides at all. I woke up Friday morning snd had some
Much pain in my stomach i had to fomto the hospital. It was unbearable. It was a constant severe pain amd went in for 7 hours. I think i used to much but no sides at all other than that. Any thought’s?

What did the doctors say?

The likelihood of it being from gh as opposed to your diet or anything else you ingested Is slim

 

[Liska]

Not true. Sure, for a guy that’s never pulled igf1 and hopes/bases what he should score off another member’s results then yeah it’s probably a poor choice to gauge things.

For someone like myself that has pulled dozens of times it’s a pretty good gauge as I know how my body reacts and have a ball park of where it should score. That’s why when members share labs we are constantly asking, “do you have base labs? Do you have other labs to compare to?”

Igf1 is a great tool but the individual needs more data of where they typical score. Labs shouldn’t necessarily be to see if your gear is junk but to check on health markers and see how your body reacts which in turn gives you data.

As we were talking about HPLC tested purity vs IGF-1 as indicators of HGH quality and you're saying it's not true that IGF-1 is the worst, do you consider it superior to purity testing, even when it's admittedly not useful to compare scores between individuals (unless each individual has a library of baseline bloodwork testing and various batches of various HGH brands tested under similar conditions)?

What would your verdict be if IGF-1 scores and HPLC purity show no or even an inverse correlation, i.e. would you choose a HGH product at 90% purity that yielded a higher IGF-1 score for you personally over one that scored 97% but gave you a lower score?

 

[Flex22]

I started my gh journey many years ago and it was with “Nutropin” which is US pharma gh. I started way back when they were still sold like most generics are sold today, with the 10 vials containing 10iu each. Then I believe is was 60iu bottles and then finally the pens that’s everyone has had for years now. It was after those first couple years I then switched to generics. Reason being is I had a connect through a kid who was prescribed it and when someone’s prescribed it there usually prescribed huge doses and months worth at a time. So I would get 10-20 kits or pens at a time and the kid knly charged me $50 each .
My reason for the story is just to show I have experience with both worlds and is there a difference… yes but very very small and def not worth the price difference imo. Generics today are at an all time high quality wise. The last few years of testing has really made labs step there game up. And IMO there really no difference in recovery made or growth made from pharma to generics. The only difference I really noticed was difference in amount of water I held. I’ve jeld
More subcutaneous water on certain generics but nothing crazy. I def do also remeber pharma giving me by far the worst CTS in my hands and wrist .

 

[girthquake]

Hey guys I want to post up my personal experience with various brands of Hgh over the past several years. We've all seen testing on these brands and know they are all great quality and there's no bad choice with them. This is more about what I've encountered in terms of cts (hand pain, numbness etc).

With that said, this is just what I personally encountered, everyone is different. But through my research it was always hard for me to find what others have experienced.

I will be commenting on what I experienced with these brands during a full blown off season where my body weight is generally around 240lbs-250lbs and probably 13% or so body fat. Very high carb, water and sodium intake. These factors are constants. Being a competitor I really don't want to be throwing in diuretics or pulling back carbs or sodium or that sort of thing.


Ultimately I tried to start with 1iu and slowly work my way up to the goal of 4iu. Some I started at 2iu and then ended up taking a few weeks off and retrying because of encountering cts

I'll rate the cts as follows:
Scale of 1-10
1 being zero cts and 10 being unbearable

TP/Meditrope
Mauve tops: 10/10 cts
these were pretty much unusable. Even at 2iu the cts was pretty rough. Tried to push it up but it messed up sleep so bad. I remember waking up with so much hand/arm pain that I had to spend the rest of the night sitting up in a chair. The numbness would last hours on the morning. Trying to pee in the middle of the night I felt retarded trying to aim lol.

Black tops: 7/10 cts
These were definitely better than the mauves. Still pretty rough though. I couldn't handle the cts at 4iu for very long but 2iu was OK. 3iu was doable to some degree if I laid the right way at night and didn't move. But if I laid the wrong way or tried to look at my phone in bed they'd start hurting quickly. Same issue as mauves though with hands being numb for a while in the morning. Like trying to cut up chicken, holding the knife was a challenge.



Opti
Grey tops: 4/10cts
These were massively better than the meditrope line for me. Initially I started too high because I went straight from serostim to these. So I took several weeks off and started again slowly working my way up. I was able to do 3iu with pretty minimal cts. 4iu was OK, had a couple times it woke me up but these were definitely much better

Goodlyfe
Grey tops: 2/10
These are the closest I've found to pharma. 4iu is totally good to go with these. There's a small amount of cts, but doesn't wake me up at night, no issues throughout the day, I can lay in whatever position at night and I'm good.

Serostim:
Verified straight from pharmacy: 1/10
Love serostim, just expensive. Had no issues at all with 4iu. Briefly ran 6iu and had a little cts but there was no way I could sustain the cost. That was only about 7-10 days. If money wasn't a concern I'd totally stick to serostim and probably do 6iu.





So a few notes
-Every brand was reconstituted to what testing showed they contained. So 4iu was truly 4iu.

-Again this is purely to give my personal experiences in an organized way. ALL the gh listed here has been proven to be high quality and purity. So I'm not saying any brand is better than another. I am just saying what I experienced for cts because that has been super frustrating for me over the years.

Hopefully this is helpful for some people. I've been around here long enough that you guys can look back at my posts and see I've asked dozens of questions with cts.

My first HGH experience was with maybe tops. I felt good, but the CTS was awful. My hands were pretty much useless. For example, the pain was so bad I couldn't get my wallet out of my back pocket. I even got "trigger thumb" which results in my thumb getting stuck in a bent position. I have been off it for 2 months and I still have trigger thumb.

I'd like to try HGH again. I can't afford pharma. I'm probably going to try gold or grey

 

[Jbagel132]

I was always under the impression that the more extreme the carpal tunnel, the more you could be assured your HGH was the real deal and high quality, but based on this thread it looks like the higher the quality, the LESS carpal tunnel there is, does this sound right?