My Thoughts on GH

[Deleted member 123722]

Honestly $130 every month and a half is well within my budget. I take it for the positive it does for my joints. In the past I would run test only at 750mg-1g and by the end my joints were beat to hell, on gh this no longer happens too me. Well worth it.

Yea, for the GH we can get from these sources, certainly. Apparently, a bit of low-dose deca would help with joints and it's way cheaper, as it could cover several months with a few bottles.

 

[juicebro]

Didn't get much out of it besides severe CTS which caused many sleepless nights. Pumps were great but the water retention isn't worth it for me. I was a bloated moon faced mess.

 

[Cumminstech]

You should know how to use the GH properly, better get in contact with a coach, when your max is 5 IU how can you tell that its making only a few % ? That's in the most cases not true, taking GH is easy, but taking it effectively is a bit complex.

For example

To get to a big level the best dosages are starting at 8 going up to 15 IUs, a good dosage for most people are 12 IU, you dont need to split it, because its dump, the more gh you Inject the higher your Igf1 is elevated and longer up than the hgh half life by itself.

Take Insulin, hgh without insulin is just stupid. No not fast acting, for the absolut results someone should use around 100-150 IU Lantus, pre & post fast acting slin aswell around 10-20 IU.

The dosage of gear should be around 2g minimum i would recommend a high dose test because its cheaper and more effective than Nandrolone in terms of aromatization to DHT, and goes well with boldenone, they work synergistic with GH because boldenone is not only for muscle synthesis gene transcription its for performance. And a very important staple is Tren because it makes the satellite cells more sensitive to IGF1

Hgh + Lantus = more igf1
Tren= reacting better to igf1

These is a blueprint to effectively manage igf1 efficacy, you can believe it or not, 5 IU with a poopy dosage is not even a real TRT for people that make money out of BB.

If you spend your money on hgh, use it correctly.
Stay safe with the insulin

This is absolutely horrible advice for anyone reading and not educated enough to know

 

[Forthewin1123]

Didn't get much out of it besides severe CTS which caused many sleepless nights. Pumps were great but the water retention isn't worth it for me. I was a bloated moon faced mess.

The cts was insane.. I'd wake up in so much pain in my right hand..middle and ring finger.. then when I came off I had 1.5 months of cts..less pain bit more weird nerve shock is how I explain it doing anything woth my hands.. it's like 99% gone..
The part of gh I like the most was the fat loss increase.. that was great

 

[Upbeatrawfish]

Yea, for the GH we can get from these sources, certainly. Apparently, a bit of low-dose deca would help with joints and it's way cheaper, as it could cover several months with a few bottles.

Deca doesn't heal joints, it just masks the pain. As soon as your off the deca your gonna feel the damage that has been done, or at least I did. On top of that it messes my mood up big time.
Gh gives me the same relief in my knee but when I get off it doesn't just go back to shit like how it does with deca. Feels like it actually repairs the damage done without any real negatives.
If you can get by with just deca then I'm jealous , it just didn't work as good as I had hoped for my issue.​

 

[Armada1]

Deca doesn't heal joints, it just masks the pain. As soon as your off the deca your gonna feel the damage that has been done, or at least I did. On top of that it messes my mood up big time.
Gh gives me the same relief in my knee but when I get off it doesn't just go back to shit like how it does with deca. Feels like it actually repairs the damage done without any real negatives.
If you can get by with just deca then I'm jealous , it just didn't work as good as I had hoped for my issue.​

Agree 100%

I would never use deca with joint pain. It will temporarily mask some of the pain, likely causing you to do more damage.

As the poster above mentioned, masking (deca) versus repairing/protecting (gh) is exactly how I'd describe the difference.

It's apples and oranges.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Deca doesn't heal joints, it just masks the pain. As soon as your off the deca your gonna feel the damage that has been done, or at least I did. On top of that it messes my mood up big time.
Gh gives me the same relief in my knee but when I get off it doesn't just go back to shit like how it does with deca. Feels like it actually repairs the damage done without any real negatives.
If you can get by with just deca then I'm jealous , it just didn't work as good as I had hoped for my issue.​

I agree with you.

 

[GuerillaPete]

How could deca mask the pain and make it worse? Any proof?
Gh added 10 years to the career of athletes keeping them healthy and strong for longer!
Before an 28-30 year old athlete was considered old!
Now they hit prime 32-33 and play till age of 40!
This is the effects of gh it helps you heal and recover !

 

[Tmisatix]

As for myself, I'm gonna stop taking GH all together. Like I mentioned before, the MOST I ever noticed something, was when I got this apparent Pharm Grade IGF-1 from Sciroxx a few years ago. My bulk order was screwed up so bad, I asked him to let me try the LR3 he had, which only came 200 MCG, yes MCG vials, and cost 200 per 1mg; he gave it to me for free.

I only took 20mcg a day and holy shit. I leaned out and was always pumped. Again, I was also on anavar and tren, but ya... something was going on with that LR3.

But everywhere I read people say it's nothing special, and "EVERYTING OUT THERE IS FAKE UNLESS YOU BUY INCRELEX BECAUSE ITS SO EXPENSIVE." Little do most people realize, Increlex is so expensive because one bottle will last you an ENTIRE YEAR lol, and buying IGF from these research companies actually is more expensive.

Perhaps I just suck at converting HGH.

I recently experimented with some Ipam/Mod GRF, and you can feel those working right after you take them (the flushing face), but I didn't get tested after taking it.

I'd like to hear more of your experience with lr3. All of the reports seem amazing when you are able to get it legit. It does seem faked a bit, but not as faked as it's made out to be. Sounds like it could be a game changer, but I've always hear you reach a tolerance to fast at around week 2. Definitely potent and I also heard it gives a shinkwrapped look that you just can't get from other compounds. Did you get any hypoglycemia and do you plan on running it againn?

 

[Tmisatix]

How could deca mask the pain and make it worse? Any proof?
Gh added 10 years to the career of athletes keeping them healthy and strong for longer!
Before an 28-30 year old athlete was considered old!
Now they hit prime 32-33 and play till age of 40!
This is the effects of gh it helps you heal and recover !

I think he may of meant how deca could possibly make the pain more bearable but damage is still being done. When you stop the deca , the injury may be worse

 

[GuerillaPete]

I think he may of meant how deca could possibly make the pain more bearable but damage is still being done. When you stop the deca , the injury may be worse

A lot of may be’s right there!
Deca does make joints feel overall better and you get used to that good feeling when people stop its effects go away and now the old state of pain seems worst!
Like taking test for the first time you feel great and then comes pct and when you are back to normal well your level of normal is different and the old state seems very bad now but that was your normal before cycle!
Long story short i dont think and have not found evidence deca masks pain and people en up with more damage!
I think the opposite is true and some joint benefit from the lubrification and are able to heal to some extent!
Best thing for joint pain is rest !

 

[Tmisatix]

A lot of may be’s right there!
Deca does make joints feel overall better and you get used to that good feeling when people stop its effects go away and now the old state of pain seems worst!
Like taking test for the first time you feel great and then comes pct and when you are back to normal well your level of normal is different and the old state seems very bad now but that was your normal before cycle!
Long story short i dont think and have not found evidence deca masks pain and people en up with more damage!
I think the opposite is true and some joint benefit from the lubrification and are able to heal to some extent!
Best thing for joint pain is rest !

Well I MAY have been avoiding talking in absolutes because I was just assuming that’s what op meant lol

and I don’t believe deca simply mask the pain . IMO, all aas have a therapeutic effect on joints due to their collagen boosting abilities. You’re correct. If a person knows they have problem or an injury , takes deca to be able to continue training in the same style they were when it developed and causes more damage, it wasn’t the deca but their own inability to change training styles

 

[GuerillaPete]

Well I MAY have been avoiding talking in absolutes because I was just assuming that’s what op meant lol

and I don’t believe deca simply mask the pain . IMO, all aas have a therapeutic effect on joints due to their collagen boosting abilities. You’re correct. If a person knows they have problem or an injury , takes deca to be able to continue training in the same style they were when it developed and causes more damage, it wasn’t the deca but their own inability to change training styles

This is what i mean exactly if one has bad joint problems and does not rehab and rest them as needed deca wont solve that !

 

[Tmisatix]

This is what i mean exactly if one has bad joint problems and does not rehab and rest them as needed deca wont solve that !

Agreed! However , I’ll tell you one compound that does mask pain, reduces recovery/protein synthesis while making problems worse and it is not aas.... ibuprofen

 

[Armada1]

How could deca mask the pain and make it worse? Any proof?
Gh added 10 years to the career of athletes keeping them healthy and strong for longer!
Before an 28-30 year old athlete was considered old!
Now they hit prime 32-33 and play till age of 40!
This is the effects of gh it helps you heal and recover !

Just firsthand experience from multiple people here. That is the only proof.

Let's say you have tendonitis in your elbow. The tendonitis pain decreases on deca. So you keep doing the same movements, volume, etc. that caused the issue. Once deca is discontinued, the pain returns, perhaps even more severe this time because you aggravated the tendonitis even further.

That is what I meant by the statement that using deca to deal with joint issues can actually make them worse.

The above example was my experience.

 

[MFAAS]

Never done actual HGH, but I did Ipamorelin/MOD GRF (peptides; the form being a growth hormone releasing peptide and the latter being a growth hormone releasing hormone) for a long time, like over a year. My IGF-1 levels on the peptides was 329. It definitely improved my sleep, but unfortunately it really made my pre-existing gyno worse. Now when I take it, I still get puffy nipples. I just don't seem to respond well to increased IGF-1. I can let my E2 ride super high and not have any issues, but take Ipamorelin/MOD GRF for a few days and my nips are puffed up. I had full gland removal; I am sure some of it is fluid retention,

Originally when my gyno started getting so much worse I thought it must be due to SARMs I was taking at the time, but years later doing more research I found that GH does induce gyno (I linked to studies in another thread and I don't feel like digging for them right now), so looking back it makes sense--the steady titty growth over that year and a half or so ... probably was mostly induced by the high IGF-1

So now I stay away from the stuff. It is normal AAS only for me from now on. No GH/GHRPs, no myostatin inhibitors, no SARMs or insulin (I never touched insulin and never would have anyway).

The only thing I am considering is old school GHRP2 or GHRP6 for my next bulk, solely for the boost in hunger so I can eat more. If my nips puff up though it is getting axed.

That is just my experience. It seems like most guys don't have issues with IGF-1 and gyno, so I am an unlucky one in that regard

 

[GuerillaPete]

Just firsthand experience from multiple people here. That is the only proof.

Let's say you have tendonitis in your elbow. The tendonitis pain decreases on deca. So you keep doing the same movements, volume, etc. that caused the issue. Once deca is discontinued, the pain returns, perhaps even more severe this time because you aggravated the tendonitis even further.

That is what I meant by the statement that using deca to deal with joint issues can actually make them worse.

The above example was my experience.

Well the deca wont “Mask” it to that degree so that you can do that type of damage !
It will lessen the pain maybe but it will be there and if you keep training hard and fuck yourself up its on you not on the deca!
Many people regurgitate what they read and say its personal experience (sadly)
But the fact is deca does promote collagen synthesis so it does help to some extent and this has been proven with a recent study with 100mg nandrolone.
What it does for me it makes my shoulders work better and gives them the ability to heal by being lubricated!
And it makes it that small aches and pains are gone.
I wake up with the joints feeling lubricated and ready to go !
But even if i feel like this i dont go extra heavy because i know its the deca that makes it so and i should be careful still!
Comon sense many lack and then blame the deca!

 

[Armada1]

Well the deca wont “Mask” it to that degree so that you can do that type of damage !
It will lessen the pain maybe but it will be there and if you keep training hard and fuck yourself up its on you not on the deca!
Many people regurgitate what they read and say its personal experience (sadly)
But the fact is deca does promote collagen synthesis so it does help to some extent and this has been proven with a recent study with 100mg nandrolone.
What it does for me it makes my shoulders work better and gives them the ability to heal by being lubricated!
And it makes it that small aches and pains are gone.
I wake up with the joints feeling lubricated and ready to go !
But even if i feel like this i dont go extra heavy because i know its the deca that makes it so and i should be careful still!
Comon sense many lack and then blame the deca!

I'm sure people do restate what they read online. I wouldn't accuse you of doing that. Instead, you had a different experience with the compound than I've had.

If you feel that my different experience is fabricated and not really my experience, you're entitled to that opinion.

You had different experiences, which is why forums exist. You certainly won't hear me claim your experiences are made up because they differ from mine...

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Never done actual HGH, but I did Ipamorelin/MOD GRF (peptides; the form being a growth hormone releasing peptide and the latter being a growth hormone releasing hormone) for a long time, like over a year. My IGF-1 levels on the peptides was 329. It definitely improved my sleep, but unfortunately it really made my pre-existing gyno worse. Now when I take it, I still get puffy nipples. I just don't seem to respond well to increased IGF-1. I can let my E2 ride super high and not have any issues, but take Ipamorelin/MOD GRF for a few days and my nips are puffed up. I had full gland removal; I am sure some of it is fluid retention,

Originally when my gyno started getting so much worse I thought it must be due to SARMs I was taking at the time, but years later doing more research I found that GH does induce gyno (I linked to studies in another thread and I don't feel like digging for them right now), so looking back it makes sense--the steady titty growth over that year and a half or so ... probably was mostly induced by the high IGF-1

So now I stay away from the stuff. It is normal AAS only for me from now on. No GH/GHRPs, no myostatin inhibitors, no SARMs or insulin (I never touched insulin and never would have anyway).

The only thing I am considering is old school GHRP2 or GHRP6 for my next bulk, solely for the boost in hunger so I can eat more. If my nips puff up though it is getting axed.

That is just my experience. It seems like most guys don't have issues with IGF-1 and gyno, so I am an unlucky one in that regard

Ipam should not have given you gyno at all; it doesn't mess with prolactin like the other ones you are considering. Perhaps your Ipam wasn't Ipam. I ran it for months with no issues at all. Thing is, the peptides will cost more than generic HGH.

 

[MFAAS]

Ipam should not have given you gyno at all; it doesn't mess with prolactin like the other ones you are considering. Perhaps your Ipam wasn't Ipam. I ran it for months with no issues at all. Thing is, the peptides will cost more than generic HGH.

Prolactin isn't the cause--multiple studies show increased IGF-1 alone seems to be able to cause gyno, and can definitely exacerbate pre-existing gyno. I posted about this in another thread, I have work I gotta do but I will see if I can dig it up. Otherwise if you want I wanna say it was maybe 3 weeks ago I made the post, it shouldn't be too far back in the post history. I was getting my ipa/mod grf straight from the pharmacy, so I would assume it was legit. It wasn't some chinese reseller stuff.