MuscularMD
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SSA NAD is unbuffered. What did you do to buffer?
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NAD+ - Nexaph
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rockyraccoon
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Their latest green top batch is buffered.
CharlesV
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did you see what Cain wrote in their TG / announcements? he also posted a pic of crystallization - which is not looking like yours.
Hey everyone, I see some discussion has been happening on the new NAD+ vials:
* Crystalline flakes = normal. Buffered NAD+ often forms visible crystals.
* Melted / liquid appearance = not normal.
If a vial looks melted, snap a photo with your order info and DM it to me—we’ll credit any affected vials.
Not sure which you’ve got? Send me a picture and I’ll confirm for you.
Hey everyone, I see some discussion has been happening on the new NAD+ vials:
* Crystalline flakes = normal. Buffered NAD+ often forms visible crystals.
* Melted / liquid appearance = not normal.
If a vial looks melted, snap a photo with your order info and DM it to me—we’ll credit any affected vials.
Not sure which you’ve got? Send me a picture and I’ll confirm for you.
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nullandvoid
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To be honest, after my interaction with him (sending him the very pictures he requested and getting a subsequent line of bullshit), I left the groups and moved on. I feel like he's manipulating and stretching truths to sell this batch. I see melting. The "crystalline flakes" I guess are what are further up the vial wall. That photo looks considerably better than what I was sent, and even that looks uneacceptable.
I wonder why he hasn't posted a picture of both conditions and explicitly pointed them out.
I wonder why he hasn't posted a picture of both conditions and explicitly pointed them out.
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There's a whole history with nexaph in the peptide community.
Regardless of how he's gotten here, he's an ok dude and has a small us operation he's invested into over time. It started as a reseller of CN stuff. He got really good ar the glp1s and has since opened up to other peptides.
Not my #1 vendor, but they get more testing/3rd partying testing done than any other vendor imo at this point on peptides. I use them for tirz when there's a decent price but nothing else until they get more experience with things like buffered NAD.
PGB is my buffered nad go to.
Regardless of how he's gotten here, he's an ok dude and has a small us operation he's invested into over time. It started as a reseller of CN stuff. He got really good ar the glp1s and has since opened up to other peptides.
Not my #1 vendor, but they get more testing/3rd partying testing done than any other vendor imo at this point on peptides. I use them for tirz when there's a decent price but nothing else until they get more experience with things like buffered NAD.
PGB is my buffered nad go to.
nullandvoid
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So after more research, I am near 100% certain this is "melt-back," the very thing Cain was so insistent it wasn't. I have a feeling admitting it would be very costly, so he is trying to push it as crystallization. So I now have a kit of vials with unknown effective amounts of NAD+. He should have just owned it and offered a refund. He shouldn't say he'll cover it if it's melted and then say "oh that's crystallization." Total horseshit.
Edit: By the way, I reconstituted one, and the mass left at the bottom that took forever to dissolve was in no way, shape, form, or fashion "crystalline." It was melted and re-solidified.
Here is a closer image.
Edit: By the way, I reconstituted one, and the mass left at the bottom that took forever to dissolve was in no way, shape, form, or fashion "crystalline." It was melted and re-solidified.
Here is a closer image.
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nullandvoid
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Is it just me, or did Nexaph nuke his web site?
Interesting...
Found on GLPForums someone said an announcement was made they are moving to a new hosting provider. Timing suspicious.
Anyway, this has been confirmed 100% as meltback and not "crystallization" as Cain tried to gaslight. I've opened a dispute with Paypal, and failing that will take it up with Amex.
I'm done with this liar.
Interesting...
Found on GLPForums someone said an announcement was made they are moving to a new hosting provider. Timing suspicious.
Anyway, this has been confirmed 100% as meltback and not "crystallization" as Cain tried to gaslight. I've opened a dispute with Paypal, and failing that will take it up with Amex.
I'm done with this liar.
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Jkeepdrop739
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There is a Nexaph NAD test group likely forming on telegram.
It’ll be here: Flying Purple Pep Guild
nullandvoid
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With meltback like this, there's no need in my case. These vials are unacceptable and severely compromised. He's proven his character (lack thereof), and I just simply won't buy from him anymore. I didn't even know what "meltback" was until this. The most insulting thing is him thinking I would be dumb enough to accept his explanation as crystallization so he could avoid accountability and refund me. Ego is a hell of a thing.
CharlesV
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website nuked. per TG, he ran into web hosting issues and have to find a new host.
CharlesV
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how does that work? aren’t research chems and peptides a murky area as far as Paypal and Amex are concerned?
i’d probably just take the L than risk Paypal nuking my account, but i’m definitely tracking, keep us posted. it’d be awesome if they support you.
nullandvoid
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Unsure. I think the burden/risk would be more on the seller in this case. But I'm keeping it brief and just talking about the product and its condition rather than the reasons I bought it. If they push, I'll just say I'm somewhat of a biochemist hobbyist experimenting on modified yeast cultures or something.
The first hurdle was getting past the fact I checked out as a guest. However, Paypal still processed the payment, and their dispute process still applies. If Paypal balks in the end, I'm not too concerned. Amex will probably just reimburse me and move on. A lot of times it's not worth the investigation to them. But even then, I'll survive if I'm not reimbursed anything at all. I'm more annoyed than anything. I do need to find a legtimate alternative source. SSA perhaps. PGB, maybe. Does MPG have NAD+? I've never dealt with any of those vendors.
I ordered some from a reputable peptide company and it was crystallized 100% mixed it with bac water and it reconstituted well and have taken it for 2 weeks so far. No issues.
nullandvoid
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I ended up canceling the dispute and just started using it. There was some posted Jano results of the same batch that showed it was good. However, there is very wide variability in kits it seems. In spite of that, I don't think I will repeat NAD+ purchases in the future, opting instead for another run of MOTS-C. The NAD+ is minimally effective, and I have to use 100mg to feel anything. Whether that's an effect of the meltback or the fact I've already saturated NAD+ via other means, I have no idea. But it has had zero effect on workout performance.
Most people who get nad injections at medspas or clinics are doing 500mg-1000mg a week.
100mg was the miminium dose I used daily for it to work for me. Know many who use more.
Ive always used PGB NAD since its buffered and its probably their most popular peptide. Haven't been on it in 3 months or so, but may start back up. It helped greatly with GLP fatigue for me at 100mg.
nullandvoid
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I just joined there actually. Seems to be a lull right now waiting for some stock replenishment, though I noticed MOTS-C is not on the list. Does the NAD+ seem to give you more energy? I'm already using 500mg of sublingual NMN's.
Photon
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What effects are you guys seeing from it?
Sounds like its best to finish it immediately upon reconstitution.
BAC water is also usually acidic.
Sounds like its best to finish it immediately upon reconstitution.
BAC water is also usually acidic.
Solutions of NAD+ are colorless and stable for about a week at 4 °C and neutral pH, but decompose rapidly in acidic or alkaline solutions. Upon decomposition, they form products that are enzyme inhibitors.nullandvoid
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Yea, it's a quick burner once reconstituted. I've been doing the aliquot method, emptying the whole vials into single-dose syringes and immediately freezing. I get an odd feeling of energy when injected. It's not a nervous energy and not a stimulant feeling either. However, it doesn't really seem to translate into "usable" energy for workouts, so I don't know what to think so far.
Photon
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30 mins @ room temp to defrost before pinning?
nullandvoid
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I put in fridge to thaw. Room temp is too drastic. Takes about 20-30 minutes or so, and then I inject straight from fridge.
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