Never ending PIP

[fastasf]

No problem on the confusion man. And I totally understand what you are saying.

But I have also met people that injected sub q and will never do it again lol me being one of those people. Also read a few people on here saying the pip is horrible. I tried it once and was the worse mistake I ever made. Dont think its a theory I believe it depends on the person.

Most guys injecting with slin pins are not injecting subcutaneously. They are lean enough to where the 1/2" pin is long enough to penetrate the muscle. But I will agree that pip varies from person to person.

 

[BeastModeSparty]

1.5 in the glutes shouldn't be an issue, I did 1 CC in the shoulder last night and I'm as right as rain today...but mine is Watson

Yeah I rock 1.5ml in my delts. And right now its OnePharma test cyp..

 

[retpsd]

My first cycle I listened to a friend of mine and also pinned with a 25g needle. Worst pip ever. But when I switched to a 23g needle I never had pip again. Im currently using a 22g needle. But maybe try a lower gauge if you havent before. It might help. But then again everyone is different.

I cant say for sure. But I have always assumed that because the 25g is smaller the gear was more concentrated in a smaller area. Not sure if this is correct. But for me a larger gauge worked.

I press lighter, go slower with a thinner needle...if you press the plunger too hard the PSI is increased...like a water jet, or think of 5 gallons of water a minute coming out of a large fire hose or a small garden hose...the volume per min is the same, but the smaller hose would shoot the water out with more force...force against or into muscle tissue at a high PSI is going to leave a mark

 

[Joedoe]

I press lighter, go slower with a thinner needle...if you press the plunger too hard the PSI is increased...like a water jet, or think of 5 gallons of water a minute coming out of a large fire hose or a small garden hose...the volume per min is the same, but the smaller hose would shoot the water out with more force...force against or into muscle tissue at a high PSI is going to leave a mark

Not sure if u meant to quote my post or not. But I love my 22 and 23 g needles. No pip at all as smooth as sunshine here I have been cycling for 5 years now and my only pip was my first cycle, first 2 injections. And once with a slin pin But as soon as I switched to a larger needle width everything was fine. Wont ever go back. They also make the injection time a lot less.

 

[retpsd]

Not sure if u meant to quote my post or not. But I love my 22 and 23 g needles. No pip at all as smooth as sunshine here I have been cycling for 5 years now and my only pip was my first cycle, first 2 injections. And once with a slin pin But as soon as I switched to a larger needle width everything was fine. Wont ever go back. They also make the injection time a lot less.

Yep I meant to quote it...only because I believe it has much to do with the PSI of the injection when smaller and larger pins are compared and you had mentioned a thought on the injection being held in smaller / lager concentrated areas.
Could be some truth in both concepts.

 

[CdnGuy]

Not sure if u meant to quote my post or not. But I love my 22 and 23 g needles. No pip at all as smooth as sunshine here I have been cycling for 5 years now and my only pip was my first cycle, first 2 injections. And once with a slin pin But as soon as I switched to a larger needle width everything was fine. Wont ever go back. They also make the injection time a lot less.

22g 1.5 has never let me down ...no pip! Oh and running good gear helps too

 

[willbbig!]

I press lighter, go slower with a thinner needle...if you press the plunger too hard the PSI is increased...like a water jet, or think of 5 gallons of water a minute coming out of a large fire hose or a small garden hose...the volume per min is the same, but the smaller hose would shoot the water out with more force...force against or into muscle tissue at a high PSI is going to leave a mark

I use a 25g 1.5" And take about 45 seconds to push 1.5ml

 

[jeetsun]

I'm on my second cycle and with every single injection I get terrible PIP. ( Ive only run hammer test c and e, his reviews said little to no pip). I shower before each injection, warm the oil in the vial (hot water) and again in the barrel, I sterilize all surfaces that I might come into contact with. I clean the top of the vial with alcohol as well as injection site. I draw with an 18g and pin with a 25g. I also z track. I'm at a loss as to why i get pip that makes it difficult to walk and train. Any Ideas? Any help is appreciated.

There's a big evo thread about Hammer sending replacements for his test cyp due to major pip. His reviews were all over the place, the majority now are guys who appear to have a nasty case of ignorance and wishful thinking..

 

[boodecarlo]

It's the gear.

 

[willbbig!]

I ordered replacements. I'll probably order some pharmacon test e 300 too. It passed millards test, its the closest thing to quality control that ive seen.

 

[Hardtokill]

Yes as stated above hammer had to send out tons of replacements from extreme pip in test and mast e a few weeks back.

 

[Ultimatepip]

Yes as stated above hammer had to send out tons of replacements from extreme pip in test and mast e a few weeks back.

That's not surprising

 

[willbbig!]

I got my test e a few months back. My buddy was running it and had no pip ever. Idk I'm just gonna toss it to be safe.

 

[ToxicEuphoria]

Probably the gear man. Try another source. If still bad then maybe you're having a bad reaction to the carrier oil used? Probably GSO. Try something with MCT oil that's what I've been getting, no pip with any hormones so far.

 

[jeetsun]

I got my test e a few months back. My buddy was running it and had no pip ever. Idk I'm just gonna toss it to be safe.

Better to be safe than sorry man.

 

[willbbig!]

Figured it out! My problem was that I was heating my oil up. As soon as I started injecting room temp oil, the pip stopped.

 

[MythotiK]

Figured it out! My problem was that I was heating my oil up. As soon as I started injecting room temp oil, the pip stopped.

Funny thing, is that happened to me last night...Heated my prop too long, yikes...

 

[Whoremoans]

My first cycle I listened to a friend of mine and also pinned with a 25g needle. Worst pip ever. But when I switched to a 23g needle I never had pip again. Im currently using a 22g needle. But maybe try a lower gauge if you havent before. It might help. But then again everyone is different.

I cant say for sure. But I have always assumed that because the 25g is smaller the gear was more concentrated in a smaller area. Not sure if this is correct. But for me a larger gauge worked.

I think this actually does make a difference somehow. I've pinned 4.5ml with a 21g in glutes with no after about an hour.

 

[fastasf]

Funny thing, is that happened to me last night...Heated my prop too long, yikes...

So odd. Everyone is different. The only time I ever get PIP is when I'm in a hurry and don't heat the pin with the heating pad.

 

[willbbig!]

Funny thing, is that happened to me last night...Heated my prop too long, yikes...

That was every pin for me. Just painful and swollen. When i sat down id air like a 90yr old man and everyone would ask what's wrong.