New MESO-Rx member ranking system

[Ghoul]

Sad to see that post count is all it takes to earn a higher status around here @Millard. I believe I read when the new ranking system came into play that nothing posted in the underground counted towards the role status ranking, but yet we have a member who posted 8k times in less than a year. Which at least 80% of those posts and reactions or more were in QSC’s thread or a thread that was made about that source, where he did nothing but defend them and even justified them having floaters. It took QSC leaving for him to actually start venturing out.

What happened to acknowledging harm reduction? You have guys here who have been here for years and done a lot towards your vision that are ranked the same as 3 month members who obtained their WKM status in the underground.

Again, very sad to see troll and spam like behavior rewarded. There are very few threads you can visit on this forum without seeing the same couple of guys posting all day and night. I would be absolutely shocked if most of them even had a gym membership.

Show us posts where I justified floaters, and I'll show you 1000 where actual harm reduction measures were attacked by members like you.

If it weren't for the comfort certain members not constrained by integrity felt being able to lie, they'd have almost nothing to say at all.

Back up your claims with evidence.

 

[B Ware]

would have made it more enjoyable

I said this very thing just this week. Meso used to be so enjoyable it was addicting. Even addicted we didn’t post as much as these Reddit guys who don’t lift or have a life and decided to oddly enough create one here. Promoting post count is by far the worst thing that could happen here. I guess I get it from Millard’s stand point though. It keeps the forum active but definitely at a cost. The quality of good members is diminishing. You can’t even get a word in around here cause here comes Ghoul, replying to every post on the forum.

Show us posts where I justified floaters, and I'll show you 1000 where actual harm reduction measures were attacked by members like you.

If it weren't for the comfort certain members not constrained by integrity felt being able to lie, they'd have almost nothing to say at all.

Back up your claims with evidence.

Do you think myself or anyone has the time you do? Do you think anyone will ever dig through your post history? It would take weeks or months. You very well justified QSC having floaters and said, well you should be filtering your gear anyway.

Members like me hurt harm reduction? I’m one of the few who has actually truly contributed to it. Hell, I’ve even tested and shared my prescription Empower Deca hplc along with sending the same sample to three different testing facilities to compare the three against each other. You’re just helping make my case now. Complete word vomit to get that post count up.

While we’re at it, no I don’t care to look through your endless post history but what can be said about your postings is you’ve revealed enough to tell the community you ain’t winning any beauty pageants. If anyone ever needs to combat hair loss, diabetes, high bp,etc they should definitely hit you up as you have extensive first hand knowledge on that. Get a gym membership and a life. Although you’ve built a weird life on a BBing forum you’ll never have respect here outside of QSC’s thread. You said so yourself recently when you said you built status and a following in QSC’s thread and then ventured out.

 

[Ghoul]

I said this very thing just this week. Meso used to be so enjoyable it was addicting. Even addicted we didn’t post as much as these Reddit guys who don’t lift or have a life and decided to oddly enough create one here. Promoting post count is by far the worst thing that could happen here. I guess I get it from Millard’s stand point though. It keeps the forum active but definitely at a cost. The quality of good members is diminishing. You can’t even get a word in around here cause here comes Ghoul, replying to every post on the forum.



Do you think myself or anyone has the time you do? Do you think anyone will ever dig through your post history? It would take weeks or months. You very well justified QSC having floaters and said, well you should be filtering your gear anyway.

Members like me hurt harm reduction? I’m one of the few who has actually truly contributed to it. Hell, I’ve even tested and shared my prescription Empower Deca hplc along with sending the same sample to three different testing facilities to compare the three against each other. You’re just helping make my case now. Complete word vomit to get that post count up.

While we’re at it, no I don’t care to look through your endless post history but what can be said about your postings is you’ve revealed enough to tell the community you ain’t winning any beauty pageants. If anyone ever needs to combat hair loss, diabetes, high bp,etc they should definitely hit you up as you have extensive first hand knowledge on that. Get a gym membership and a life. Although you’ve built a weird life on a BBing forum you’ll never have respect here outside of QSC’s thread. You said so yourself recently when you said you built status and a following in QSC’s thread and then ventured out.

Now you don't have time to search my handle and "floaters" in the QSC thread to back up the most serious accusation you can make about a member here, the claim I'm increasing harm, you lying POS? You won't do it because you know it never happened.

-I've never justified floaters, It's a lie assholes tell to each other to justify their otherwise unjustified hatred and the abuse they like to dish.

-Less than 10% of my posts are in the QSC forum, not 80%

-Status is not a matter of post count

As far as I'm concerned, if the trash is whining that things better be done their way or it's gonna take itself out, let it.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Show us posts where I justified floaters, and I'll show you 1000 where actual harm reduction measures were attacked by members like you.

If it weren't for the comfort certain members not constrained by integrity felt being able to lie, they'd have almost nothing to say at all.

Back up your claims with evidence.

Alot of the vets think you are a jack shit.

You talk about harm reduction but haven't tested anything you inject into your own body.

@Millard promoting you is a driving force for us to leave and take actual test results somewhere else. I posed the last stuff publicly. Now I do not plan to.

Forum has gone from doing actual data collection and action to promoting theoretical bullshit.

You are literally a trolls that spends his life on an Internet forum.

19 year old girlfriend in Thailand vs some wife that qualified for tirzepatide. Who knows what is true from this guy.

Going to echo what @B Ware said.

Quality posters are leaving and it's about quantity. Financial gain and traffic is important. I don't blame Millard for doing so.

Money is important, we are just pathetic specks on the history of this forum.

Now back to theoretical harm reduction rather than applicable harm reduction

 

[B Ware]

Now you don't have time to search my handle and "floaters" in the QSC thread to back up the most serious accusation you can make about a member here, the claim I'm increasing harm, you lying POS?

-I've never justified floaters, It's a lie assholes tell to each other to justify their otherwise unjustified hatred and the abuse they like to dish.

-Less than 10% of my posts are in the QSC forum, not 80%

-Status is not a matter of post count

As far as I'm concerned, if the trash is whining that things better be done their way or it's gonna take itself out, let it.

Wow, we can now add you are a compete liar. We don’t even have to research or dig through your countless posts to prove it either. You are literally being spoken about on other forums for justifying QSC’s floaters along with all your other behavior.

If you think being made Elite earned you any respect why don’t you try joining other forums like SST and see the welcoming you receive. You have no business in the BBing world and it is well known and being spoken about. Simmer the fuck down and let a few others get a word it.

 

[Ghoul]

Alot of the vets think you are a jack shit.

You talk about harm reduction but haven't tested anything you inject into your own body.

@Millard promoting you is a driving force for us to leave and take actual test results somewhere else. I posed the last stuff publicly. Now I do not plan to.

Forum has gone from doing actual data collection and action to promoting theoretical bullshit.

You are literally a trolls that spends his life on an Internet forum.

19 year old girlfriend in Thailand vs some wife that qualified for tirzepatide. Who knows what is true from this guy.

Going to echo what @B Ware said.

Quality posters are leaving and it's about quantity. Financial gain and traffic is important. I don't blame Millard for doing so.

Money is important, we are just pathetic specks on the history of this forum.

Now back to theoretical harm reduction rather than applicable harm reduction

The problem with you is, you're not satisfied with ignoring what you don't want to hear.

You think you should have the power to control what everyone else hears.

And to do that, when your efforts to force me to shut up fail, there's no bottom you won't sink to.

You tried it with Readalot, but unlike him, I'm willing to give the shit right back, no matter how many you bring together to simulate a single functioning brain, and you can't understand how I'm still here.

I'm not interested in the judgement of a couple of trailer park drug dealers who insist the light of "harm reduction" only be shined on them sharing the tests of their inventory, something they have to do to avoid a disgruntled customer looking for a refund with a shotgun showing up, or dropping the dime to the cops. In almost every case, the tests cost you NOTHING.

The sum total of your effort toward "harm reduction" is taping up a box.

Free discussion and exploring the theoretical is how EVERY NEW PRACTICE to reduce harm is developed. That's been a clear dynamic throughout MESO's history.

I'm not going to constrain my thoughts and discussion to what morons think is appropriate. The vast majority on MESO are not like you small minded fucking dinosaurs.

If you had any integrity and believed what you say you'd have put me on ignore long ago. And now, you'd have your account shut down and go instead of whining.

So what are you going to do? Pull the trigger or show everyone how full of shit you are?

 

[Ghoul]

Wow, we can now add you are a compete liar. We don’t even have to research or dig through your countless posts to prove it either. You are literally being spoken about on other forums for justifying QSC’s floaters along with all your other behavior.

If you think being made Elite earned you any respect why don’t you try joining other forums like SST and see the welcoming you receive. You have no business in the BBing world and it is well known and being spoken about. Simmer the fuck down and let a few others get a word it.

So you and your buddies spread your lies to other forums, and that's your proof that I "increase harm".

You've spent a lot of time writing about how you can't be bothered to show the evidence of your accusation.

Go find the posts where I justify floaters, because until you do so, all your lies and bullshit are clear for anyone with eyes and a brain to see.

Prove your accusation that I spread harm and justify floaters.

Someone who "spreads harm" here on MESO is a threat to all. Isn't getting rid of that threat the responsible thing to do? You have that in your power and you refuse to protect members?

Come on, let's see what you're made of, and what your word is worth.

Until then, you're just a lowlife bully that MESO would be better off seeing the back of.

 

[B Ware]

So you and your buddies spread your lies to other forums, and that's your proof that I "increase harm".

You've spent a lot of time writing about how you can't be bothered to show the evidence of your accusation.

Go find the posts where I justify floaters, because until you do so, all your lies and bullshit are clear for anyone with eyes and a brain to see.

Prove your accusation that I spread harm and justify floaters.

Someone who "spreads harm" here on MESO is a threat to all. Isn't getting rid of that threat the responsible thing to do? You have that in your power and you refuse to protect members?

Come on, let's see what you're made of, and what your word is worth.

Until then, you're just a lowlife bully that MESO would be better off seeing the back of.

There is a whole thread where you came to QSC rescue and stated members should be filtering anyway. Oddly you never preached it before that but it is all you talk about now. Well that and fear. I’m not sure anyone will ever post the word fear as much as you. Bud, you are the least fearful guy on a BBing forums, so just stop.

If anyone cares to look, although many remember and don’t need to, check out QSC floater thread. You can also see where Ghoul has accused a member of being a source because he test products he buys. That alone is very harmful to harm reduction as it has many of us wanting to share our future hplc reports elsewhere.

Anywho, unlike Ghoul I have a life and shit to do outside of here. Enjoying reaching for Master status with that post count.

 

[Muscles’]

Cmon guys, internet arguments generally lead no where, both said what you had to say.

no one is ever going to agree on the same thing all the time.

And to be honest, we have two high status members arguing with eachother, over internet status, is that what we want our high status members to represent ?

Let’s move it forward

 

[Ghoul]

For anyone confused as to what this "justifying floaters" accusation is, you need to put yourselves in the shoes of the guys with an axe to grind, to understand how they attempt to twist a good truth into an ugly lie.

"Harm reduction" isn't "harm elimination". It's being realistic and recognizing you need to meet people where they're at.

For a heroin addict, "harm elimination" would be getting them to quit, an impossible task on the street. "Harm reduction" is making sure they have clean needles and showing them how to sanitize their gear.

In the QSC thread, I advocated anyone buying their oils should filter them. ALL of them. I also relentlessly criticized and mocked QSC for putting out shitty floater filled product, which the same critics here now accused me of being a "bubbleboy" for.

Everywhere when asked I said I've never, and wouldn't recommend buying any oils from QSC. But clearly members would anyway, regardless of what I said, so filtering made that safer.

That's real "harm reduction".

 

[Ghoul]

Cmon guys, internet arguments generally lead no where, both said what you had to say.

no one is ever going to agree on the same thing all the time.

And to be honest, we have two high status members arguing with eachother, over internet status, is that what we want our high status members to represent ?

Let’s move it forward

I've never once come at either of these two,

If they didn't crawl out from under their rocks to bite my ankles I'd never know who they were. When I hit back they play victim, invariably,

I have no desire to interact with either, there are much higher quality members here, i have better things I'd prefer positing about, but they're relentless, sometimes spending half a day following me from thread to thread,

Obsessed psychos who'll keep coming at me until one of us is gone.

I've said this before but I'll put it out there again,

Hit ignore and we'll never deal with each other again.

Reasonable right?

I'm confident they can't bring themselves to do it, because until they shut me up, they won't stop.

Now they threaten to leave?

Maybe they need a helping hand, because they can't seem to find the door.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Between that and closet homosexuality....

Speaking of which, this paper:

Managing deviance: Hustling, homophobia, and the bodybuilding subculture (ref)

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Hey guys this thread is about the member ranking system and now we’ve devolved to talking about floaters, harm reduction, and other unrelated things. @UncleBuns would you mind creating a thread for this off topic mischief?

 

[Muscles’]

and other unrelated things.

you can say pencils. I won’t get upset.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I'm not interested in the judgement of a couple of trailer park drug dealers who insist the light of "harm reduction" only be shined on them sharing the tests of their inventory, something they have to do to avoid a disgruntled customer looking for a refund with a shotgun showing up, or dropping the dime to the cops. In almost every case, the tests cost you NOTHING.

Who cares if the tests cost him nothing? That's what we hope to accomplish with vendor reimbursement for blind customer testing.

Does it only count as harm reduction if the member uses their own money?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

The problem with you is, you're not satisfied with ignoring what you don't want to hear.

You think you should have the power to control what everyone else hears.

And to do that, when your efforts to force me to shut up fail, there's no bottom you won't sink to.

You tried it with Readalot, but unlike him, I'm willing to give the shit right back, no matter how many you bring together to simulate a single functioning brain, and you can't understand how I'm still here.

I'm not interested in the judgement of a couple of trailer park drug dealers who insist the light of "harm reduction" only be shined on them sharing the tests of their inventory, something they have to do to avoid a disgruntled customer looking for a refund with a shotgun showing up, or dropping the dime to the cops. In almost every case, the tests cost you NOTHING.

The sum total of your effort toward "harm reduction" is taping up a box.

Free discussion and exploring the theoretical is how EVERY NEW PRACTICE to reduce harm is developed. That's been a clear dynamic throughout MESO's history.

I'm not going to constrain my thoughts and discussion to what morons think is appropriate. The vast majority on MESO are not like you small minded fucking dinosaurs.

If you had any integrity and believed what you say you'd have put me on ignore long ago. And now, you'd have your account shut down and go instead of whining.

So what are you going to do? Pull the trigger or show everyone how full of shit you are?

You literally post all day here isn't nothing else going on.

You can't even afford an hplc test to ensure safety for yourself? What a fucking joke

Id rather be a trailer park drug dealer than some fat ass behind a computer screen all day

I guess it's harm reduction to not do anything outside your computer screen and keyboard.

Deadbeat loser.

 

[readalot]

If you think being made Elite earned you any respect why don’t you try joining other forums like SST and see the welcoming you receive.

Happy early welcome to SST @Ghoul.

https://steroidsourcetalk.cc/index.php?threads/meso.19181/post-196627

I'll see if I can get phenomenal34 to make some welcome signs with me.

Long may the free forums reign!

Peace to you all. Let's get those gainz!!

 

[Ghoul]

Who cares if the tests cost him nothing? That's what we hope to accomplish with vendor reimbursement for blind customer testing.

Does it only count as harm reduction if the member uses their own money?

Absolutely not. All data is useful, including basic identification.

But let's not be disingenuous Alex, I'm defending myself against false accusations that what I advocated about filtering QSCs oils was a cause of harm, and what *THEY* do is the essence of harm reduction.

I'm not looking to diminish it, I never sought this conflict, but considering they're accusing me of actively HURTING members, why should I sugar coat it?

How much effort does it take to post a PDF of test results you had to get anyway, that cost nothing? Nice to do it, thanks, it does help some who'll consider that vendor/product in the future. In a few months it'll be irrelevant as we know current tests are all that matter,

And since you consider yourself a thinking man Alex, let me go a step further and remove the gaslight from this situation. Try not to be defensive, this is not your fight, think twice before adopting it, because they're on the losing side,

What this is really about was revealed in one of Spaceman's tirades against Readalot. He blamed Readalot for Scruff "going private" with his test results.

He seemed exceptionally passionate about it. An odd thing for an otherwise emotionally dull guy to get so torn up over.

Spaceman then suggested he'd stop sharing results too.

He was so bent out of shape because Scruffs tests saved him the risk and time of buying untested product for his drug dealing business. Nothing to do with harm reduction, other than to his bottom line.

Spaceman insists you should test everything you buy before use. There's truth in that. Of course it's not quite as practical when you buy 1 kit for personal use and not 150 for resale, but ok, that certainly reduces harm if you do it. However that reveals just what limited use test results are. Not useless, but since you should be testing everything anyway, they're more like a buyers guide to reputable dealers.

The primary motivator of the dealers posting test results is to encourage others to do the same. Still not a bad thing, useful, but almost entirely self serving.

This is why the "ulterior motive" lie has been spread about me by this crowd, even in this thread, it's projection. They're disingenuous so I must be, even if they can't put their finger on it.

All I want is for them to do their part for harm reduction, I do mine, and we let each other live in peace. There's only one side here exploding with rage and lies at the other on a daily basis, and it ain't me.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

He was so bent out of shape because Scruffs tests saved him the risk and time of buying untested product for his drug dealing business. Nothing to do with harm reduction, other than to his bottom line.

Post some proof jack shit .

I was posting tests before he has. You honestly have shit logic. No wonder you hide from the real world.

 

[egruberman]

You literally post all day here isn't nothing else going on.

I’m puzzled why you and others trouble yourself speculating so much about somebody you obviously don’t like. Why does it trouble you?

You’d be delusional to suggest that his posts have no value, so that’s clearly not the problem. If it’s your aim to criticize, there’s certainly plenty that he’s posted that merits reasonable criticism without having to indulge in imagination about what he or his life must be like.

I’ll be blunt, address the content as it is or do as you said and take your ball and go home. Otherwise it’s just meaningless complaining and that becomes tiresome. You are a grownup, act like one.