Started nolva and feel great. However, after I quit taking the nolva will my fsh and lh production drop back down along with total t levels? Cant take serms forever.
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Not fully recovered after 3 months post pct - need advice
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Megadick3000
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Its hard to say. It could be just as type 2 said which is a very prolonged suppression from that trestolone, if thats the case then yes your lh/fsh would recover to normal ranges at some point.
However its equally possible your HPTA is permanantly derailed, why that would be i couldnt say.
Id run nolva until you dont want to run it anymore, its relatively cheap and pretty minimal side effects. When you do decide to come off it, maybe you could look into some herbal options that support LH/FSH and taper off the nolva and onto those. Then run the herbal options for a month or two, taper off those, cross your fingers while pulling bloods and see where all of that got you.
Beyond that there isnt much else you can do.
Im not aware off the top of my head any herbs that have been shown to raise LH/FSH but im sure there are some out there and if you do a little googling you can probably find some with some literature backing them up.
I know Himalaya Healthcare used to and maybe still does offer a herbal concoction called Speman that is supposed to boost sperm count and im assuming it does so via elevating FSH, so maybe id start by researching that product. Ive used it before but never had bloods pulled so no clue if it did much BUT its a starting point. I used it in conjunction with SERMs for PCT in the past.
Megadick3000
Well-known Member
Did a few mins of poking around RE: Speman.
Speman improves the sperm count and the quality of semen by increasing the LH-FSH producing basophil cells in the pituitary. According to the manufacturer.
Clincal study at the link below:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Unfortunately the study doesnt mention testing for LH/FSH but does demonstrate improved sperm.
May be more info out there, i just got this in a few mins to kick things off for you.
Speman improves the sperm count and the quality of semen by increasing the LH-FSH producing basophil cells in the pituitary. According to the manufacturer.
Clincal study at the link below:
Speman®, A Proprietary Ayurvedic Formulation, Reverses Cyclophosphamide-Induced Oligospermia In Rats
This investigation was aimed to evaluate the effect of Speman[®] , a well known ayurvedic proprietary preparation, in an experimental model of cyclophosphamide-(CP) induced oligospermia in rats.Thirty male rats were randomized in to five, equally-sized ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Unfortunately the study doesnt mention testing for LH/FSH but does demonstrate improved sperm.
May be more info out there, i just got this in a few mins to kick things off for you.
i appreciate you taking the time to try and help. However if my hpta was totally derailed I dont think the existing lh and fsh levels be as high as they currently are. Along with that, my testes are still producing test from the signaling of lh and fsh. I guess im just gonna run a month of nolva and come off for a month and get bloods redone then. Thanks for the help!Did a few mins of poking around RE: Speman.
Speman improves the sperm count and the quality of semen by increasing the LH-FSH producing basophil cells in the pituitary. According to the manufacturer.
Clincal study at the link below:
Speman®, A Proprietary Ayurvedic Formulation, Reverses Cyclophosphamide-Induced Oligospermia In Rats
This investigation was aimed to evaluate the effect of Speman[®] , a well known ayurvedic proprietary preparation, in an experimental model of cyclophosphamide-(CP) induced oligospermia in rats.Thirty male rats were randomized in to five, equally-sized ...
Unfortunately the study doesnt mention testing for LH/FSH but does demonstrate improved sperm.
May be more info out there, i just got this in a few mins to kick things off for you.
Gbro
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What's really sad here is that you wer given a recommendation for a pct and you were too lazy to even search. Instead, you're cherry picking answers, and some guy is suggesting random sperm mega load supplements.
Ive read up on the power pct. why would I blast hcg and further shut down my lh and fsh when my balls are working fine? The lh and fsh is what is lower than baseline.
Ive been researching constantly and everything I come across only recommends taking hcg if ur lh and fsh are fine but ur total t is not. So please elaborate if im missing something here bud.
While I certainly hope you recover, this is *exactly* the harm reduction reasoning behind literally every steroid board in the universe telling guys your age not to cycle.
The fact that at 22 you were not even remotely close to your natural performance ceiling would be secondary.
My advice is to stop self-treatment and go see a doctor.
You may indeed need to pay someone who specializes in this rather than a GP.
Not everyone recovers well (or fully). You may have done permanent damage to your HPTA or you may not.
Further dicking around on your own is obviously not the smart course here.
i hope ur joking considering all my levels are in the “natural range” no doctor would prescribe me anything or tell me to do anything other than wait longer. My pituitary is signaling fsh and lh its just lower than before. Before anyone chimes in about hcg, hcg is suppressive to lh and fsh and I would be taking 10 steps back.
Really? "No doctor".
Ok.
Feel free to disregard since you have obviously sussed out what all doctors will or won't do.
Man, I miss being 22 when I already knew everything and asking question was just a formality so I could disregard anything I didn't already decide was the answer before I asked.
Do whatever your omniscience (which clearly didn't lead you to this problem in the first place in ANY WAY) tells you to do.
People go to endocrinologists with t levels at 250 and they wont treat them. What would you tell the endocrinologist or doctor then? My levels are already in range man I dont think they will do anything but I guess its worth a shot.
That I am seeking other doctors... you are aware there are more doctors than the first one you ask right?
Some docs will treat, others won't. Find one who will. There are folks who specialize in treating AAS users.
Some of them are literally members of this very forum. Others are fairly easily found online.
Some are just doctors in routine practice who are more open than their peers.
What would they be treating though? All my levels are in range just not as high as before. So what exactly could a doctor do at this point other than tell me to run nolva/clomid or wait longer?
I need to get this straight... you don't think a doctor has the tools or knowledge to help diagnose and treat the reason your t levels are lower than they were... but you think the forums can?
Does that sound sane to you?
Type-IIx
Well-known Member
Just let the thread die. Haven't we all heard the expression: You can take a horse to water, but cannot make him drink.
This one doesn't seem as unsalvageable as a few of the other new posters have been.
Maybe I am just optimistic today
Do you partake in the mary jane? It suppresses LH and FSH from the pituitary. Theres some vague stuff about it on the net but personally and anecdotally I can confirm (with bloods) . I was curious why my LH was so bad AFTER PCT. Dropped the herb, got bloods 2 weeks later and its on the rise. Also with PCT and serms its almost a minimum recommendation time period. I personally plan on extending nolva for as long as possible and monitoring bloods. Clomid until sides are annoying (have no exp with clomid yet)
kosp
Member
Time. Retest in 3 months. Some people can take longer to recover.
SERMs will just rise your levels artificially, it is not really you, it is best used as a bridge.
Just wait and be patient. Stop worrying too much.
You already know you don't recover fast from cycles, so take it into account.
SERMs will just rise your levels artificially, it is not really you, it is best used as a bridge.
Just wait and be patient. Stop worrying too much.
You already know you don't recover fast from cycles, so take it into account.
Wish I could, quit for my new job 5 months ago.
Thats what I figured, its already been 2.5 months post pct so I figured I wouldve been good by now. Guess ill have to wait longer.
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