Honestly man most doctors no, I dont think have the knowledge or tools to help. Most doctors cant even pull their head out of their ass to admit that 250 test is low. Finding a doctor that knows his shit is way less likely than to find someone that has pcted on a steroid forum and not recovered to maximum extent right away. I was hoping someone else had before and after bloods with a similar outcome to me and to share their experience getting those numbers back up.This one doesn't seem as unsalvageable as a few of the other new posters have been.
Maybe I am just optimistic today
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Not fully recovered after 3 months post pct - need advice
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malfeasance
Well-known Member
I kept getting angrier reading all of these bullshit responses until I got to your post.
Whew!
DO NOTHING!
Wait.
You ran 20 weeks. It takes time to recover.
Keep working out. Eat right.
In real studies of guys trying to recover, some take 18 months.
Taking more shit is just more time monkeying around with your hormones and signals. Your body wants to return to the way it was. Stop fucking with things and let it do that.
It should be well known by now that it takes time to recover, but reading steroid boards makes everybody think there are these miracle PCT regimens that will bounce you right back. Often the guys doing it are taking blood tests while they are stimulating things and think they are recovered.
I am going to let you in on a little secret. Use the half lives to figure out how long all of those previous injections were still in your system, not yet released from their esters . . . it is an eye opening experience, and it ain't two weeks. And guess what? Your body cannot even begin to recover while it is still being suppressed.
Anyway, you're young. It is hard to be patient when you are young. Be patient anyway. This takes time. Many times it takes a lot longer than 2.5-3 months.
Wait it out. Keep lifting.
If you are lean, then you have already learned that you look better a month after PCT than you did on cycle, because all the water drops off.
If you are not lean, well, then get lean. Being lean lowers aromatization and makes it easier to recover.
Right, like for test e half life is 7 days it takes close to 5 weeks to come down to a dose low enough to pct off of based on half life. I had the same thought process as you, I figured i just needed more time but wanted to make sure. The result: being flamed and called an idiot.
kosp
Member
I guess it is a man feeling when you see your hormonal bloodwork and you don´t like what you see.
After my first PCT i felt good and then boom my LH and FSH and thus overall test was low (below "normal" levels). But I still felt "OK". But felt crap after looking at the blood tests.
So unless T levels are dangerously low and even then I personally do PCT even though i'm already low - not doing TRT.
TRT seems like serious long term commitment and its crazy people complain about a doctor not playing ball there..esp if they are in their 20s.
I kept working out. But monitor recovery and enjoy the GYM!
EAT
I maintained gains and even gained during PCT. Post I lost a bit. But so what I'm not a pro BB on TRT and blasting for 12 months to maintain hugeness.
There is also ostarine/MK2866/s22 to dabble during PCT and post. I wouldn't recommend that either
kosp
Member
After my first PCT i felt good and then boom my LH and FSH and thus overall test was low (below "normal" levels). But I still felt "OK". But felt crap after looking at the blood tests.
I can't sleep tight at night if I don't get at least 800ng/dL of total test 3 months after last SERMs dose lol
Jokes aside, there is a lot of psychology into this game, if someone has the kind of personality of worrying too much, will have a hard time with AAS.
So are u recommending a second pct or are you saying u personally still pct? I took nolva for a few days but honestly seems pointless. Im just gonna let me pituitary start signaling more on its own.After my first PCT i felt good and then boom my LH and FSH and thus overall test was low (below "normal" levels). But I still felt "OK". But felt crap after looking at the blood tests.
So unless T levels are dangerously low and even then I personally do PCT even though i'm already low - not doing TRT.
TRT seems like serious long term commitment and its crazy people complain about a doctor not playing ball there..esp if they are in their 20s.
I kept working out. But monitor recovery and enjoy the GYM!
EAT
I maintained gains and even gained during PCT. Post I lost a bit. But so what I'm not a pro BB on TRT and blasting for 12 months to maintain hugeness.
There is also ostarine/MK2866/s22 to dabble during PCT and post. I wouldn't recommend that either
PeterBond
Well-known Member
All these levels fluctuate over time and also fluctuate quite significantly from lab to lab (or even from measurement to measurement on the same blood sample within the same lab in case of an immunoassay). Your numbers are within the phsyiological range and there's no sign of hypogonadism at this point. If you measure testosterone today, and then again a few months later, you'll find a difference of 25-28 % in about half the cases. In about a quarter of the cases you'll find a deviation up to 50 %, etc.:
Intraindividual variation in levels of serum testosterone and other reproductive and adrenal hormones in men - PubMed
Given the level of intraindividual variability in hormone levels found in this study, one sample is generally not sufficient to characterize an individual's hormone levels but collecting more than three is probably not warranted. This is true for clinical measurements and for hormone...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Briefly: you're recovered.
Type-IIx
Well-known Member
Is it possible to speculate or characterize whether in OP's case MENT versus any other compound may yield a lower nadir or mean LH/FSH/TT value for his post-MENT diurnal variation relative to that other compound?All these levels fluctuate over time and also fluctuate quite significantly from lab to lab (or even from measurement to measurement on the same blood sample within the same lab in case of an immunoassay). Your numbers are within the phsyiological range and there's no sign of hypogonadism at this point. If you measure testosterone today, and then again a few months later, you'll find a difference of 25-28 % in about half the cases. In about a quarter of the cases you'll find a deviation up to 50 %, etc.:
Intraindividual variation in levels of serum testosterone and other reproductive and adrenal hormones in men - PubMed
Given the level of intraindividual variability in hormone levels found in this study, one sample is generally not sufficient to characterize an individual's hormone levels but collecting more than three is probably not warranted. This is true for clinical measurements and for hormone...
Briefly: you're recovered.
I know that when we look at a group of subjects post-intervention in a study on fertility/spermatogenesis and see that all subjects have returned to the physiological range that's characterized as recovered... but certainly there is a phenomena of lowered nadir and mean values representing HPG Axis functioning post- versus pre- with particularly suppressive drugs. Right?
Can you fairly characterize how MENT fits in among the candidates tested as male contraceptives? And if you have any reference handy for me on this phenomenon of lowered HPG Axis functioning from AAS abuse generally I would be interested, if such exists, or is an erroneous assumption even.
Thank you for the in depth response. 630-454 just sounds like a big swing to me but if its normal then so be it. How long would you recommend I stay off before starting my next cycle considering I am recovered already?All these levels fluctuate over time and also fluctuate quite significantly from lab to lab (or even from measurement to measurement on the same blood sample within the same lab in case of an immunoassay). Your numbers are within the phsyiological range and there's no sign of hypogonadism at this point. If you measure testosterone today, and then again a few months later, you'll find a difference of 25-28 % in about half the cases. In about a quarter of the cases you'll find a deviation up to 50 %, etc.:
Intraindividual variation in levels of serum testosterone and other reproductive and adrenal hormones in men - PubMed
Given the level of intraindividual variability in hormone levels found in this study, one sample is generally not sufficient to characterize an individual's hormone levels but collecting more than three is probably not warranted. This is true for clinical measurements and for hormone...
Briefly: you're recovered.
MeatHead69
Member
Your pct was trash. I ran quadruple what you did for 3x the amount of time and my test is currently 870 natural. Figure out how to run a real pct before hopping on gear....
Did you get bloods on serms or shortly after? If so those numbers dont mean anything. Hcg wouldve made things worse for me since it suppresses lh further. The only thing I couldve done different was to add clomid on top and make the pct 8 weeks instead of 6 along with starting a week later than I did. If you are gonna take the time to call my pct shit and tell me that I should “learn before running gear” then at least be halfway helpful and explain where you think I went wrong and why.
Mechanic
Member
How about you tell us what you did better/differently rather than bashing someone that simply asked for help?
Parabolic
Member
So you ran 80mg nolva a day, for 18 weeks?
Well done, you're a retard. You clearly don't understand how to run a proper PCT either. The dose is excessive and the time definitely. No one not even a fucking smoothe brain gibbon is going to tell anyone to take 18 weeks of nolva at 80mg a day.
You complete fucking cretin.
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Your lh and fsh are lower because your estrogen is higher in your second bloodtest
Take some nolva or just wait tilm hormones are in balance again
Thats what I was thinking as well, negative feedback loop of hpta with increased estrogen. Thing is its been over 3 months since I pcted so I guess waiting would be best at this point? I dont wanna throw my body out of whack again with nolva. Thanks for the response!
Logan44551
Elite
If you knew that why did you start pct 2 weeks after last injection?!
I don t think a little nolva will be harmfull but i also think your body can balance it if you give it enough time
When estrogen is high your body doensn't make test and if it doesn't make test your lh fsh will be lower
Nolva block estrogen en thats why lh fsh goes up and after that test
Sorry for me bad englisch
4 months ago I just went based off what most boards recommended - 2 weeks. After doing more research and using my own brain I now understand I did pct a week and a half or so early.
Logan44551
Elite
2 weeks minimum early. Hope you learned your lesson. I'd be very careful cycling at your age. I went on TRT in my late 30's doing it in my 20's would have sucked
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