Now Obese Getting back into the gym and moving again?

[DanishPanther]

Hey Guys,

What would you enhance yourself with, if you had been out of the gym since covid started and had become obese.
And wanted to get back into shape and moving again as fast as possible?

I'm 178 cm around 138 kg, mid 40s, and obese.
I also suffers from some stomach problems, have a little water in my body (feet is swollen), high end blood pressure.
I have constant cravings for snacks.
I don't feel ready to live on TRT yet, så AAS I think I would prefer to stay away from.

I would like my first goal to get lighter so it's easier to move around and regain more energy.

My own thought:
I think I'm already decided for Semaglutide to improve diet coherence, insulin sensitivity and prevent diabates 2.
Adding Cialis for better blood flow.
HGH, BCP-157 & TB 500: HGH for 6 months the other for 1 month, so improve recovery starting out, and hopefully heal some shit.
(Could also just be HGH alone, or just a month of BCP + TB, or even just BCP or TB alone).
Telmisartan for blood pressure so I can add in a little:
Clenbuterol to get my ass moving again.

Then sometimes I think just use the Semaglutide, perhaps add Viagra, and once in a while do clen, would be enough!

Thoughts?

Let's say you where my coach and had to get me back into the gym and being active again as fast as possible.
What would you enhance me with?

Economy is a factor

Thank you
Danish

 

[BoloYang2023]

honestly why not focus on diet and training and the weight will flow off

 

[roofer22]

Just reading your post whatever you do, stay off the clen. That's not going to help your blood pressure.

 

[narta]

Get your diet clean.
Get your BP under control.
Get a solid training schedule and stick to it for 3 months.

THEN add sema.

No need for BPC/TB since you are not recovering from any injuries. HGH should be helpful further down the road, now it will only increase the water retention and insulin resistance.

 

[DanishPanther]

honestly why not focus on diet and training and the weight will flow off

Honestly, if you don't have an answer to the actual question then why do you feel like you need to give such a generic answer

Or is it simply beyond your grasp that there are issues beyond your answer here, issues that make it hard for me to get back into training and back into dieting?

I will try to maximize my diet and training (I have 20 years of doing that in my experience already) ... but that's not what I'm looking for guidance with.

Sry, but I hate these automatic replies ... read the actual posts and try to use your imagination to try and understand what the person writing is actually battling with.

I'm way too heavy, my nervous system is way too tired, stressed and traumatized, I have gut issues, and a constant hunger that going up against feels like having to hold my breath for days, weeks, months, years, I'm in such bad shape that recovering or even walking allot is rough... guess that's just scratching the why you are (not really) asking for.

If you can't solve it with psychological babbling, often physiological mechanisms is simply better to address. Look into meds in general: why do doctors not just say "why don't you just ...".

I'm looking to assist my focus on diet and training - in order for that to even work - or for me to even get back on track with that.

To kill my hunger and make hard dieting easier.

Btw. have you tried losing 40-50 kg just with exercise and diet? Do you know how many statistically pull that off? Have you ever tried to be this size?

But I didn't start the post to have to make a defense of my choices.
I was making it for guidance on the choices, to do it the safest and the most effective and cost effective way.

 

[DanishPanther]

Get your diet clean.
Get your BP under control.
Get a solid training schedule and stick to it for 3 months.

THEN add sema.

No need for BPC/TB since you are not recovering from any injuries. HGH should be helpful further down the road, now it will only increase the water retention and insulin resistance.

Thanks for a better answer.

I can't get my diet clean at the moment, it's against nature laws, simply!
My system is to stressed and traumatised: read: the forces I'm up against driving me to eat and snack are too strong! ... so why wait 3 months?

As for training, the same is sort of the same question: perhaps I can drag myself off to it. but 1) I'm really to heavy right now to do so 2) my nervous system lacks drive to help me do so ... so why fight against the win, if I can fight with it?

I like the adice on BCP/TP, though I thought it might heal some of issues my body have, like GERD and bad immune system fighting HPV...

But more so bost recovery, as you guys know recovery is trainable, the better shape you are in the better you recover, and right now I'm back at 0 ... my body is horrible to recover after a workout right now ... So yeah, that was what I hoped some of these peptides could perhaps assist not AAS is not something I would like to use.

But I guess that fat mobilization might be a bigger issue later when HGH comes more to its right ... so perhaps it make sense waiting with this.

Thank you.

 

[DanishPanther]

Just reading your post whatever you do, stay off the clen. That's not going to help your blood pressure.

Thank you for your post: I know, that's why I consider taking Telmisartan with it.
What I think Clen would do is activate my nervous system, and get it wanting to move again. As of such in the past before (years back) I have used it simply to restart gym and walking habits ... it makes me restless untill I have been active simply ... but perhaps there is other drugs that can do similar, and naa coffein is not strong enough.

 

[narta]

Drugs are not the answer.

 

[DanishPanther]

Drugs are not the answer.

If that's your opinion or unless you only talk about clen specifically, which is fine, then you are not fitted to guide in the thread ... since meds and drugs are what the questions are all about.

Wonder if you would say the same to someone with hiv or cancer though, just because you are currently without the need for meds yourself.

Wonder if there is really no one on this board using these meds and drugs to support themself to get back on track, and into a working body?

Lastly, if drugs are not the answer to anything, why use time at a forum that is all about drugs.

 

[DECLAN]

If that's your opinion or unless you only talk about clen specifically, which is fine, then you are not fitted to guide in the thread ... since meds and drugs are what the questions are all about.

Wonder if you would say the same to someone with hiv or cancer though, just because you are currently without the need for meds yourself.

Wonder if there is really no one on this board using these meds and drugs to support themself to get back on track, and into a working body?

Lastly, if drugs are not the answer to anything, why use time at a forum that is all about drugs.

I know you’re here to get protocols on what drugs to use and looks like anything else to you is an attack. They are giving you the safest way to go about your situation.

Why do you think they asked you to diet and exercise without drugs first?

Do you think you will adhere better to a diet and workout regimen when you’re on drugs? You say you have decades of experience then why come ask for advice here.

Where you are correct is most don’t know how it it feels to be obese and the struggle to even start the journey.

However, I would say instead of investing on drugs and such, i think you will benefit more to hire a trainer/coach, at the stage you’re in you need someone to hold you accountable and guide you through.

But if you think its drugs you need, then scratch this post.

 

[dafqu1]

if i was your coach i would get you on every amazon gnc supplement. The weird stuff you see listed from sources as like a joke for freaks to have fun with like frog juice where its injectable dbol and yk11... you would be on all of that.I would also have you on test suspension, cheque drops and halotestin. your training would be just squats and overhead press with kegel machine as supplemental exercise. that reminds me

great documentary if you havnt seen it

 

[DanishPanther]

Well spot on.

They didn't ask about my diet and exercise, they said "just diet and exercise".

"Just fix your diabetes, then come back and ask for diabetes meds".

Obviously, I'm seeking meds that will support combatting the problems that makes getting moving and adherence difficult for me right now. ... the last is what Semgalutide is made to do after all! ... etc. supressing hunger while being on a severe kcal defict, fixing insulin sensitivity issues, prevent beginning diabetes, heart problems and much more.

Just loosing weight (lets say 20 kgs relatively fast) will make movement, sports and training a hell of alot easier ... the same with general activity.

I don't think there is anything anyone can teach me about training and diet that I don't already know of, to be honest. I lifted weights consistently and dieted around 8% DEXA year round for 15 years, naturally, at a bodyweight higher than most natural lifters. So when I say I needs meds to assist me to get back on track, it's not based on lack of experience. If I felt I could just take up training and dieting again and pull it off unassisted, I would ... or perhaps I could... but that road is way too long ... I need to cut the first part of the path short this time.

Truth is I could go high TRT (TRT for life) with Seglumatide, and everyone knows it would work together with a good programmed training and diet, sep when adding in low doses of hgh... but I'm trying to postpone depending on exogenous testosterone another 15-20 years... so I'm looking for lesser damaging meds to help me get back into the grove of things.

 

[DanishPanther]

if i was your coach i would get you on every amazon gnc supplement. The weird stuff you see listed from sources as like a joke for freaks to have fun with like frog juice where its injectable dbol and yk11... you would be on all of that.I would also have you on test suspension, cheque drops and halotestin. your training would be just squats and overhead press with kegel machine as supplemental exercise. that reminds me

great documentary if you havnt seen it

You are hired
I'll watch the documentary, but I trained in such an envirmoment before, for many many years actually ... but drug free.

 

[DECLAN]

just make a log. Post before and after pic. Move on.

 

[trtbuilder]

I lost 50 pounds last year just using Tirzepatide and a TRT dose (160mg/week) while walking an hour a day 7 days a week.

Make good diet choices, be consistent and it's easy.

If you do start making progress, use that time to set yourself up for success in the future by changing your routine so when you come off the Sema/Tirz you don't gain it all back.

BTW, using Clen to "get your ass moving again" is the dumbest thing I've read this week. You don't need Clen.

 

[Deadp007]

... back into shape.. and obese...
I also suffers from...
stomach problems
[fluid retention]
high end blood pressure...
...my first goal to get lighter....

Sure, the glp-1's are great for weightloss (some lower BP too). But dropping fat will help that regardless.
Just know that the weightloss is not you doing the work i.e. unless you overhaul your diet & fitness strategies, you will simply regain the weight.

Adding Cialis for better blood flow.
HGH, BCP-157 & TB 500: HGH for 6 months the other for 1 month,
Telmisartan for blood pressure so I can add in a little:
Clenbuterol to get my ass moving again.

Why not just use beta-alanine for better blood flow, you can address all this later.
Continue your prescribed blood pressure meds & stay away from clen.
(I guess oral BPC could help your "stomach issues").

Economy is a factor

Money is always a factor, but the biggest factor is you (no pun intended). You have to work for it.
Using just semaglutide,
a pulse meter (smart watch),
and walking 5x per week keeping your heart-rate in Zone 2 for 30 minutes, will give you noticable weightloss within a couple of weeks, which hopefully ignites more dedication to continued goals & an increase in self discipline.

...my nervous system is way too tired, stressed...

so are all of ours

...constant hunger...

Again, this is not unique.

...Have you ever tried to be this size?

Phrasing is funny.

 

[trtbuilder]

Thank you for your post: I know, that's why I consider taking Telmisartan with it.
What I think Clen would do is activate my nervous system, and get it wanting to move again. As of such in the past before (years back) I have used it simply to restart gym and walking habits ... it makes me restless untill I have been active simply ... but perhaps there is other drugs that can do similar, and naa coffein is not strong enough.

TRT will make you want to hit the gym 7 days a week and you won't feel satisfied until you do. Clen is not a good choice 99% of the time.

 

[DanishPanther]

I lost 50 pounds last year just using Tirzepatide and a TRT dose (160mg/week) while walking an hour a day 7 days a week.

Make good diet choices, be consistent and it's easy.

If you do start making progress, use that time to set yourself up for success in the future by changing your routine so when you come off the Sema/Tirz you don't gain it all back.

BTW, using Clen to "get your ass moving again" is the dumbest thing I've read this week. You don't need Clen.

Yeah, that's sort of what I intend to do, though I have 50 to lose just to get back to where I had a weight that felt good being active at. And probably 80-90 to lose overall. But the overall is less important than to get myself back into the game! - and it is physiology not psycology (many answering these threads won't get that).

I'm considering just using Seglumatide but I won't be using TRT (the test levels never truly recover, even with pct, with all I know that have ever done testosterone - or it takes years and they end up worse), so in my view TRT is a choice for life ... I'm ready for that in my 60s.

I just need to get back into my old life style and diet and I won't gain it back.
But that's the phase that comes after this first one really and might take years. Right now, just getting back into decent shape is my first goal, that's the foundation for a long lasting lifestyle.

 

[DanishPanther]

I lost 50 pounds last year just using Tirzepatide and a TRT dose (160mg/week) while walking an hour a day 7 days a week.

Make good diet choices, be consistent and it's easy.

If you do start making progress, use that time to set yourself up for success in the future by changing your routine so when you come off the Sema/Tirz you don't gain it all back.

BTW, using Clen to "get your ass moving again" is the dumbest thing I've read this week. You don't need Clen.

Yeah, that's sort of what I intend to do, though I have 50 to lose just to get back to where I had a weight that felt good being active at. And probably 80-90 to lose overall. But the overall is less important than to get myself back into the game! - and it is physiology not psycology (many answering these threads won't get that).

I'm considering just using Seglumatide but I won't be using TRT (the test levels never truly recover, even with pct, with all I know that have ever done testosterone - or it takes years and they end up worse), so in my view TRT is a choice for life ... I'm ready for that in my 60s.

I just need to get back into my old life style and diet and I won't gain it back.
But that's the phase that comes after this first one really and might take years. Right now, just getting back into decent shape is my first goal, that's the foundation for a

Sure, the glp-1's are great for weightloss (some lower BP too). But dropping fat will help that regardless.
Just know that the weightloss is not you doing the work i.e. unless you overhaul your diet & fitness strategies, you will simply regain the weight.


Why not just use beta-alanine for better blood flow, you can address all this later.
Continue your prescribed blood pressure meds & stay away from clen.
(I guess oral BPC could help your "stomach issues").

Money is always a factor, but the biggest factor is you (no pun intended). You have to work for it.
Using just semaglutide,
a pulse meter (smart watch),
and walking 5x per week keeping your heart-rate in Zone 2 for 30 minutes, will give you noticable weightloss within a couple of weeks, which hopefully ignites more dedication to continued goals & an increase in self discipline.

so are all of ours


Again, this is not unique.


Phrasing is funny.

Thank you man.

I don't have any prescribed blood pressure meds right now, but I'm considering going on telmisartan on my own.

Sadly I have a shitty doctor and she is hard to work with.

As for clen I think Joe Jeffery book is worth reading (I did) - I have never really used it for fatloss, but I've used it to get moving - I lost 15 kg a few years back using just clen, RFL and walking. But I never got back into "the game" so it ended up not being substainable ... this time I want to get back to the gym (most of all), want to get back into sports, and I want to use a drug to supress my insane appetite.

I might choose not to use clen though, very possible.

I always hated subs besides multivitamin, vitamin d, zma and creatine but I think beta-alanine was one that did work for me back in the days, but it gave me such a rash ... I also have a problem with some HPV virus and my immune system is not acting as well as it should ... which probably is related to the stomach (the GERD, I'm on PPI and had to be, tried everything to avoid it, but the reactions was insane, food got stuck in my throat and I had surgery for that 6 times before accepting taking the PPI) ... I had 2-3 year at the same time as covid where I could netire digest protein nor vegs ... but thats fixed now it seems.

 

[DanishPanther]

TRT will make you want to hit the gym 7 days a week and you won't feel satisfied until you do. Clen is not a good choice 99% of the time.

Ohh man I know, but I feel I'm to young to be depending on injections for the rest of my life. Also I travled allot in my work (or will have to do so again soon) ... also gf and me would like babies in a few years I think. many reasons to postpone it I think ... but yeah ... I very well know "TRT" + little primo would def work! It would also fix the recovery issues right away and everything else!

Would def be cheaper than peptiedes and hgh and such.

But I just don't feel ready for it ... also because Ive been "natural" my entire life ... I don't know ... there is many reasons I don't feel ready for it yet.

Also I think my natural test levels are still high.

So looking at and considering those lesser options.