Old school d-bol cycle

[Sk8man101]

Because the contention of a AAS being a "bulker" or "cutter" is wrong. I asked you a question, your lack of ability to answer it appropriately probably made you feel like I am "proving you wrong." Just because a drug will aromatase doesn't mean that has a negative effect on fat burning. Water retention, which is what you mean by the notion that a drug will aromatase doesn't have a negative effect on fatburning however it may be more visually pleasing this can be negated with an AI.

Whatever man you win. I could care fucking less.
Use dbol to cut for all I care.

 

[Sworder]

Whatever man you win. I could care fucking less.
Use dbol to cut for all I care.

Of course I do...

 

[Sk8man101]

You were clearly confused about what he said and meant. Why are you butthurt?

Im not but hurt at all. You just roam around these forums trying to argue with people over the stupidest shit and I'm not going to participate with you.

 

[Sworder]

Im not but hurt at all. You just roam around these forums trying to argue with people over the stupidest shit and I'm not going to participate with you.

Well you were incorrect, if you don't want to discuss something on a discussion board then don't. Or call a buddy and have them slander me. Seems like that is what happens.

 

[Roco Bama]

I agree with sworder. I don't use the term bulking or cutting either. It doesn't make any sense. Any gear can be run in a cutting or bulking cycle. Diet and ai usage are the determining factor

 

[Roger rabbit]

It's a bulker? How so? Any AAS can be used as a bulk or cut. Diet is the determining factor.
He meant as a kick-start not to amplify testosterone... When using an oral or any other compound to compliment a cycle to "frontload" it is called a kick start.
In this case, his idea to use dbol as a kick start is a great idea.

He's already taken n test.... trt dose. Not sure what he is kick starting lol[emoji6]


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[Sworder]

He's already taken n test.... trt dose. Not sure what he is kick starting lol[emoji6]


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Kick starting dbol
Test C's long half live takes a while to get to the desired dose. So even if he starts on a 200mg/week baseline getting to 500 or whatever it will still take x5 half lifes to reach SSC unless he uses a loading dose.

See my thread on frontloading for more info.

Frontloading!

 

[Roger rabbit]

Kick starting dbol
Test C's long half live takes a while to get to the desired dose. So even if he starts on a 200mg/week baseline getting to 500 or whatever will still take x5 half lifes to reach SSC.

See my thread on frontloading for more info.

Frontloading!

Was just messing around with you my man.

I understand the half lifes[emoji106] but in all seriousness, I'm not sure OP has the best knowledge of aas usage and might want to just stick to basic cycle first and see how he does.

If he plans on blasting again he can plan out a better route to take with research like your article you posted while he is blasting.




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[Sworder]

I'm not sure OP has the best knowledge of aas usage and might want to just stick to basic cycle first and see how he does.

Probably not

 

[bickel29]

I hear you and I've thought long and hard about it. The idea of shots forever is not a big deal to me if I'm getting the results I want which are super human to say the least. I'm realistic about natural limits and I never wanted to do a few cycles and come off hoping I'd retain half of my hard work. If I'm in, I'm in all the way.

Dude, come on man, a little honest perspective is needed here.

I don't believe you started this thread to get honest feedback. I think you started this thread in hopes of finding enough guys to encourage you to use dbol for an entire cycle, that it would make you feel better about doing so. Am I correct?

And anyone who uses the whole "the guys back in the 70's use to _________" logic as guidance to support some modern day strategy for using AAS is using VERY outdated info to make decisions on their health. Sure, you can find examples of guys who CLAIM that they did X, Y and Z back in their younger days and they are fine today, but we can also find plenty of guys who did those things who suffered heavily because of it. Also, you are hoping their recollection of the 1970's/1980's is accurate and honest. Is it? Maybe, maybe not.

It's your health OP, and you're going to do what you want, but with the number of alternate strategies to running a harsh oral for longer than 4 to 6 weeks, it's just a risk that is not necessary for you to take. But that's just my opinion, and I sincerely hope you get what you want out of your cycle, I really do.

Oh, one more thing - I absolutely believe @Whoremoans and some other guys that have done this without any problems are telling the truth. He is a really good dude and I trust him. But you have to realize many of the guys who have run orals for long periods and suffered problems, are not going to post here saying so. Just keep that in mind.

Good luck, my man!

 

[Sworder]

But you have to realize many of the guys who have run orals for long periods and suffered problems, are not going to post here saying so.

I ran halo and winny for about 8 weeks got heartburn and chilled with the use. The liver can take a beating.

 

[primus]

Dude, come on man, a little honest perspective is needed here.

I don't believe you started this thread to get honest feedback. I think you started this thread in hopes of finding enough guys to encourage you to use dbol for an entire cycle, that it would make you feel better about doing so. Am I correct?

And anyone who uses the whole "the guys back in the 70's use to _________" logic as guidance to support some modern day strategy for using AAS is using VERY outdated info to make decisions on their health. Sure, you can find examples of guys who CLAIM that they did X, Y and Z back in their younger days and they are fine today, but we can also find plenty of guys who did those things who suffered heavily because of it. Also, you are hoping their recollection of the 1970's/1980's is accurate and honest. Is it? Maybe, maybe not.

It's your health OP, and you're going to do what you want, but with the number of alternate strategies to running a harsh oral for longer than 4 to 6 weeks, it's just a risk that is not necessary for you to take. But that's just my opinion, and I sincerely hope you get what you want out of your cycle, I really do.

Oh, one more thing - I absolutely believe @Whoremoans and some other guys that have done this without any problems are telling the truth. He is a really good dude and I trust him. But you have to realize many of the guys who have run orals for long periods and suffered problems, are not going to post here saying so. Just keep that in mind.

Good luck, my man!

Thank you for the good reply.
Honestly I was looking for raw feedback, I can assure you that I didn't make this thread with my mind made up looking for support for an unhealthy thing. I try to keep my personal biases out and simply look at everything objectively. I like what you wrote brother and I appreciate you looking out. My final decision was to not even bother with d-Bol in the end haha. I guess it all worked out and my liver will live to fight another day.

 

[Archer1]

It's a bulker? How so? Any AAS can be used as a bulk or cut. Diet is the determining factor.
He meant as a kick-start not to amplify testosterone... When using an oral or any other compound to compliment a cycle to "frontload" it is called a kick start.
In this case, his idea to use dbol as a kick start is a great idea.

You are giving me way to much credit Sworder lol! I wasn't suggesting that I use it. I really didn't know if I needed it or not if I am on trt. I have no plans to use it in the immediate future. I was asking for general knowledge. Thanks to everyone who responded.

 

[doctor jones]

I've used dbol cycles with test and armosin, 30days dbol at 50mg 30days off still on test , and 30days back on dbol at 50mg never had an issue, but I mostly do dbol now for a kick start like everyone

 

[primus]

I've used dbol cycles with test and armosin, 30days dbol at 50mg 30days off still on test , and 30days back on dbol at 50mg never had an issue, but I mostly do dbol now for a kick start like everyone

Do you find that you put on legit muscle or is it more water retention and bloat? My buddy who is a veteran in aas says he wouldn't even bother touching it at all.

 

[doctor jones]

U will lose weight , I wouldn't say it will put on quality gains, say u gain 15lbs once u off it u lose a good percentage, I like now only to kick start my cycle, strength will go up, but not for quality look. My all time oral is turinabol u will keep nice size no water. I wouldn't say it's a waste of time, u gotta try it yourself to understand, and u will understand that it's only good to bridge or kick start cycles

 

[doctor jones]

Do you find that you put on legit muscle or is it more water retention and bloat? My buddy who is a veteran in aas says he wouldn't even bother touching it at all.

But other then that it's OK everyone has different opinions, but it will give u alot of bloat if u don't have a good AI

 

[primus]

But other then that it's OK everyone has different opinions, but it will give u alot of bloat if u don't have a good AI

Yes I think if my goal was to put on weight and get the scale moving it would be great.unfortunately I'm not a hard gainer so my problem is staying lean and seeing my muscle.personally the bloat would be discouraging.

 

[doctor jones]

Yes I think if my goal was to put on weight and get the scale moving it would be great.unfortunately I'm not a hard gainer so my problem is staying lean and seeing my muscle.personally the bloat would be discouraging.

U can run it at 30mg bro u be OK with that , but if that's da deal wit the bloat , RUN TURINABOL BRO , I love tbol it takes awhile to kick in but u will gain nice quality size, and dry , leaned out..tbol my favorite bro, but not all labs has good tbol like anavar not all labs has good anavar, I ran anavar and tbol in a cycle , 40mg var and tbol at 60mg , was the best cycle with test sustenon , I frequently run that cycle, but this time I might go for the long run and throw in EQ and masteron E

 

[doctor jones]

Yes I think if my goal was to put on weight and get the scale moving it would be great.unfortunately I'm not a hard gainer so my problem is staying lean and seeing my muscle.personally the bloat would be discouraging.[/QUOTe I took AROMASIN 12.5MG EVERY TWO DAYS , MY BLOAT WITH DBOL I WANNA SAY WAS VERY LOW , I WAS OK AT 50MG