One Pharma: Bulk Cyp

I think alot of you guys are missing the point... We know its 72% purity the question is what else remains floating you are injecting into your precious body. Assuming we all think of our body as precious.

I think you all should seek 100%. And onepharma should scratch this inventory and seek such if he wishes to sell around here.

In the meantime count me out.

Goodluck
 
I think alot of you guys are missing the point... We know its 72% purity the question is what else remains floating you are injecting into your precious body. Assuming we all think of our body as precious.

I think you all should seek 100%. And onepharma should scratch this inventory and seek such if he wishes to sell around here.

In the meantime count me out.

Goodluck

Well actually that's NOT entirely true bc first I've no doubt the data as posted is incomplete but what is even more important is the distinction between PURITY and CONCENTRATION. This issue has also not been clarified in this assay. Or is the purity data as listed more a measure of the "impurities" or is it derived for the purpose of concentration determinations.

One can have appropriately concentrated gear yet be full of impurities. So one does not confirm or refute the status of the other.

Indeed differentiating impurities from the parent compound fragments can be a challenging task for sure.

For example a "purity" assay using a MS mandates multiple runs using a reference standard to establish a baseline fragmentation patterns AT PARTICULAR SETTINGS and SOLVENTS.
 
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Well actually that's NOT entirely true bc first I've no doubt the data as posted is incomplete but what is even more important is the distinction between PURITY and CONCENTRATION.

One can have appropriately concentrated gear yet be full of impurities. So one does not confirm or refute the status of the other.

Indeed differentiating impurities from the parent compound fragments can be a challenging task for sure.

For example a "purity" assay using a MS mandates multiple runs using a reference standard to establish a baseline fragmentation patterns AT PARTICULAR SETTINGS and SOLVENTS.

The data being incomplete is precisely what i was referring about. And if he wishes to only provide such, then the data is flawed. And shows nothing more than a flawed product due to flawed reporting.
 
I am contemplating no labels. Everyone knows what they are getting and how much.
Even with domestic shipping it would not hurt to put labels on the bottles. Not for the person receiving the shipment but for anyone that might suspect steroids. Especially with a 50+ml bottle. Just saying...
 
I am just curious what all the fuss is about? The product is possibly 72% pure, like noted before that's 28% of something else that you are putting into yourself. I get that an honest dealer is a rarity and something to be commended, but that does not translate to something worth using. Also, no one has gotten blood work done. Even if the blood work came back good, that purity seems low? I get that its a UGL and they are probably all low, but people seem pretty excited about this.
 
This was a post on another forum. Just wanted some input on this quote:


"I'd just like to point out that if all of your compounds were cut phenol to any degree these tests would not pick that up.

GC/MS is great for showing the functional groups of a compound, but in reality we are dealing with huge organic compounds and if you look at the molecular structure they are all very similar and all have benzene constituents in them. This makes tests like MS/GC not very good for determining these compounds much less the purity of them.

Mass Spec has been sold to steroid users as the end all be all test to determine safety and purity of compounds but it just isn't.

A good alternative is NMR and IR spectra. These tests especially H1 NMR can tell you much more about organic compounds than mass spec ever will.

If a mass spec analyst tells you that they compare to known good standards of compounds they are lying to you. The compounds we work with in bodybuilding are so large that a standard of the fragmentation pattern is all but impossible to obtain. Further, if they tell you that they need more than an infinitesimal amount they are lying to you. Mass spec can be run with micromole amounts of substance.

Even further into this, mass spec analysis is a study in and of itself and analytical chemists spend their entire careers arguing between themselves on exactly how to interpret the results, and I find it highly improbable that any of these places that allow you to send in illegal substances have actual analytical chemists on staff. It's like reading a source telling you they have real doctors making their oils, no person with the title is going to jeopardise it testing substances that will send them to jail for having received from a random address.

It all sounds nice and good on the surface with them telling you they want to make the scene safer, harm reduction, all that shit, but they want money, and people are willing to give it to them hand over fist to feel better about what they have. They are businesses and business is good as long as we fall for this shit."
 
What did someone have an life changing epiphany lol.

Now how does the "enlightened one" think LC is used. It uses ULTRA VIOLET wave lengths to measure absorbance and rest assured if the reference standards are of a high quality so to will be the results.

Has a bolt of lightening opened this fellas eyes, an NMR is the ONLY singular test that can determine a compounds structure, well duh and at NO LESS than $2500 per sample, I would demand much more :)

Where does he get this idea AAS are considered "huge" as organic compounds bc the fact is they are actually relatively small. Like TT has the lowest MW of any HUMAN hormone.

Bc LC/MS are currently the required assays for evaluation of AAS abuse in sports, they are no doubt excellent tests when applied correctly by those appropriately trained.
 
Oh please Myth give me any reference that purity analytical data can be obtained using MS alone.

Tell me where in the heck did the numerical values used in the calculations come from? What source was used for these calculations, the AUG from a MS?

I mean Im only trying to find out how this type of purity data is supported in the analytical chemistry literature. If you have it lets see it bc I'll use it also, seriously!

The fact is EVERY ONE of those "scans" are a MS and NONE are CHROMATOGRAPHS EVEN THOUGH ONE IS LABELED AS SUCH! (The sloping appearance was obtained by slowly injecting the CHCL3 into a MS.)

So tell me how and why you or anyone else is capable of obtaining analytical data using some unpublished technique or procedure.

Dr. Jim can you clarify what you mean about the Chromatographs not being labeled correctly?
 
Oh please Myth give me any reference that purity analytical data can be obtained using MS alone.

Tell me where in the heck did the numerical values used in the calculations come from? What source was used for these calculations, the AUG from a MS?

I mean Im only trying to find out how this type of purity data is supported in the analytical chemistry literature. If you have it lets see it bc I'll use it also, seriously!

The fact is EVERY ONE of those "scans" are a MS and NONE are CHROMATOGRAPHS EVEN THOUGH ONE IS LABELED AS SUCH! (The sloping appearance was obtained by slowly injecting the CHCL3 into a MS.)

So tell me how and why you or anyone else is capable of obtaining analytical data using some unpublished technique or procedure.

In bold and underline, please.
 
How would you know if the test in question is called flawed?
We don't know anything until
Myth can answer docs question or someone can prove dr Jim is full of shit. That's where we stand. We don't know what's in the sample right now I suppose
 
Once again , it looks like its going to take bloodwork to settle this argument . Someone needs to administer 500mg/wk for 6 weeks , then we can judge ....~Ogh
 
Once again , it looks like its going to take bloodwork to settle this argument . Someone needs to administer 500mg/wk for 6 weeks , then we can judge ....~Ogh
Settle this one and start another about expected numbers...

And what the fuck is myth doing? Sitting in the corner with his fingers in his ears saying "na na na na na na"? Fucking sad.
 
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