Gh not a cont. Subst strictly speaking, as in dea schedules I-V (aas are all sched. 3 afaik). But gh is kinda in a league of its own in that congress made that provision in the bill you quoted, the main intent of which, to my understanding, is to prevent docs from rxing it off label. Which they do anyway lol. The loophole which allows them to do so, is that they're allowed latitude to determine for each patient what exactly constitutes HGH or igf deficiency. Hence all the anti-aging clinics. But for the average meso user, the big difference is, being caught with a kit of black tops, for personal use, is akin to being caught with some antibiotics boughtt illegally. But getting caught with a vial of test, is a whole different thing, in some states it's a felony and if they really want to throw the book at you they could. practically speaking I know that they're not in any hurry to prosecute either example, but aas are potentially much more serious. At least that's my understanding of the situation. But back to the question, technically speaking GH is not a DEA scheduled controlled substance.
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Speaking of the anti-aging clinics, these docs are really pushing the envelope. one i know of, anyone can walk in off the street, and buy a "program" of 200 mg test and 100 mg deca a week, with 50 mg var a day. And 2 iu GH a day. Thats 650 mg aas a week, not a bad little cycle! And the var "program" is 10 weeks, twice a year i believe. Test and deca year round. Pretty aggressive therapy for "Androgen deficiency". And I think they're pretty liberal in determining what exactly is Androgen deficiency. The profit motive becomes very apparent when you see that the catch is you can't take prescriptions to CVS, you have to fill them through the Clinic's compounding pharmacy, of which the clinic makes a huge profit. The whole setup is not a great thing in my opinion because it further marginalizes AAS and just has a sleazy feel to it. I'm sure they're doing very well though, to cause the MD's to put their medical license is on the line, if the board ever scrutinized them I think they'd have a real hard time defending prescribing 650 mg a week. So the profits have to be astronomical for them to do this.
Thanks for the info Mands, what I am curious is about as there already is a regulation about hgh, lets pass it but I wonder what happens when you sell lets say cabergoline and get caught with it?
For example if musclehead320 was just selling anti estrogens but not a single anabolic or hgh what would happen? Is there a general law to prohibit all uncontrolled medicine sales without a permit or something similar?
I am curious about USA law system, lately they even busted corrupt Turkish officials and associates now they are on trial maybe you know about it.
I have a client in USA he is also a friend of mine, he has an ak47 on his facebook profile I asked him if he has license to own it and he said yes. He cant buy a bottle of testosterone but he can buy an ak47 legally, to me it seems incredibly weird.
It's my understanding that if you are in possession of any prescription drug without a prescription it can result in a felony. But, this could be a state by state and case by case basis.
There is even a law about possessing your own prescription drugs not being labeled or in its designated container. That's a whole nother story.
@bob hughes thoughts.
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This I'm not sure, you may be right bro. And like you said it's state-by-state. Fortunately for most personal users, you don't hear about simple possession cases being prosecuted often, if at all. But if you're on parole, or they're trying to take you down for something else, and you get caught with a couple vials it could go the other way. I really should educate myself on the laws specific to my state. what I really want to know is, is having a small or moderate amount of hormones delivered through USPS, let's say a nice cycle, or two or three kits of GH, an automatic felony if you get caught, or some kind of Interstate trafficking type charge..
Yeah I always thought why they dont make house raids on olympia competitors, they definitely have stuff for personal use at home but if its not for sales purposes they dont take action I think. Thats why among all those pro bbers only very few guys like Victor Martinez had issues.
About home delivery I am pretty sure its no problem if you have one or two cycle size of order coming through and get seized, nothing happens. Let me give you an example, I have a client who is illegal immigrant in USA and he is type of a small time reseller(lives in most strict USA state that I know of). We have been working with him since 6-7 years. He had a few seizure letters basically saying "if you do this again we will take legal action" but nothing happened I think he got like 3-4 of them in this period of time. He doesnt give a shit and doesnt change receiver name or adress and he kept on like that for a long time.
Of course it may change depending on state but also in no other state I have ever heard anyone having a problem about seized packages so far.
While the laws are different state-by-state, there are Federal charges that will be tacked on to any prosecution for receiving AAS through the mail when the USPS is involved. By using the US Postal Service to send or receive any scheduled drug, in any quantity, you are violating Federal law! Instant felony!
Beyond that, the obvious laws regarding 'personal use' vs 'possession with intent to distribute' quantities would be applied. And we all know how incredibly, ridiculously small the quantities considered for 'personal use' are!
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Saugus Man Pleads Guilty to Role in Counterfeit Steroid Conspiracy
BOSTON – A Saugus man pleaded guilty yesterday in federal court in Boston to his role in a conspiracy to traffic counterfeit steroids, including testosterone and trenbolone.
Brian Petzke, 49, of Saugus, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute controlled substances. U.S. District Court Judge Nathaniel M. Gorton scheduled sentencing for May 8, 2018. Petzke and five others, including Tyler Bauman, a/k/a “musclehead 320,” were arrested and charged in April 2017 with operating a counterfeit steroid operation on the North Shore.
From approximately May 2015 until April 12, 2017, the defendants manufactured steroid products - made from raw materials purchased overseas - and marketed them as “Onyx” steroids using “Onyx” labels that were also ordered from overseas suppliers. Onyx, now owned by Amgen Inc., was a legitimate pharmaceutical company that did not manufacture steroids.
The defendants allegedly sold the steroids to customers across the United States using email and social media platforms, collected payment through money remitters, such as Western Union and MoneyGram, and used false identifications and multiple remitter locations to pick up the proceeds. Some of the defendants laundered proceeds from the steroid sales through Wicked Tan LLC, a tanning business located in Beverly, which they owned and operated specifically to launder the proceeds of the steroid operation.
Petzke is the final defendant to plead guilty in connection with the conspiracy. In August 2017, Bauman pleaded guilty to his role in the conspiracy and is scheduled to be sentenced on March 15, 2018.
The charge of conspiracy to distribute controlled substances provides for a sentence of no greater than five years in prison, three years of supervised release, and a fine of up to $250,000 or twice the gross gain or loss of the conspiracy. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling; Michael Shea, Acting Special Agent in Charge of Homeland Security Investigations in Boston; Shelly Binkowski, Inspector in Charge of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service; and Jeffrey Ebersole, Special Agent in Charge of the Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations, New York Field Office, made the announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Amy Harman Burkart and David J. D’Addio of Lelling’s Cybercrime Unit are prosecuting the case.
Source : Saugus Man Pleads Guilty to Role in Counterfeit Steroid Conspiracy
U.S. Attorney’s Office
District of Massachusetts
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, February 8, 2018
Saugus Man Pleads Guilty to Role in Counterfeit Steroid Conspiracy
BOSTON – A Saugus man pleaded guilty yesterday in federal court in Boston to his role in a conspiracy to traffic counterfeit steroids, including testosterone and trenbolone.
Brian Petzke, 49, of Saugus, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute controlled substances. U.S. District Court Judge Nathaniel M. Gorton scheduled sentencing for May 8, 2018. Petzke and five others, including Tyler Bauman, a/k/a “musclehead 320,” were arrested and charged in April 2017 with operating a counterfeit steroid operation on the North Shore.
From approximately May 2015 until April 12, 2017, the defendants manufactured steroid products - made from raw materials purchased overseas - and marketed them as “Onyx” steroids using “Onyx” labels that were also ordered from overseas suppliers. Onyx, now owned by Amgen Inc., was a legitimate pharmaceutical company that did not manufacture steroids.
The defendants allegedly sold the steroids to customers across the United States using email and social media platforms, collected payment through money remitters, such as Western Union and MoneyGram, and used false identifications and multiple remitter locations to pick up the proceeds. Some of the defendants laundered proceeds from the steroid sales through Wicked Tan LLC, a tanning business located in Beverly, which they owned and operated specifically to launder the proceeds of the steroid operation.
Petzke is the final defendant to plead guilty in connection with the conspiracy. In August 2017, Bauman pleaded guilty to his role in the conspiracy and is scheduled to be sentenced on March 15, 2018.
The charge of conspiracy to distribute controlled substances provides for a sentence of no greater than five years in prison, three years of supervised release, and a fine of up to $250,000 or twice the gross gain or loss of the conspiracy. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
United States Attorney Andrew E. Lelling; Michael Shea, Acting Special Agent in Charge of Homeland Security Investigations in Boston; Shelly Binkowski, Inspector in Charge of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service; and Jeffrey Ebersole, Special Agent in Charge of the Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations, New York Field Office, made the announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Amy Harman Burkart and David J. D’Addio of Lelling’s Cybercrime Unit are prosecuting the case.
Source : Saugus Man Pleads Guilty to Role in Counterfeit Steroid Conspiracy
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Repost!
https://thinksteroids.com/community...nd-tell-musclehead320.134384551/#post-2136430
Nah just kidding man
thanks for the post.
Dave Palumbo has promised the judge that he would take @musclehead320 under his wing to mentor and guide him towards a law-abiding career.
I prefer linking to primary sources whenever possible.
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Just curious if that'll take 10+ years of prison visits before parole is even considered?
Rick Collins is hoping to get him only 5 years instead of the 10+ years sought by the prosecutor.
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It's 5 or 10 years to long either way. Play around long enough and you'll get caught.
Moma always told me...ya play with shit, your gunna get some on ya.....
5 years is still a long time, plus there's likely time to spend on probation as well. For the scale of his operation the chances of MH320 getting only 5 years may be slim.
Also what the chances of him going back to slinging gear once he's done all his time?
Do you have a link where Palumbo says this. I would love to see it, I'm a big RXMuscle fan. And is this musclehead guy Bostin Loyds friend? I've seen them in videos together.
There's no parole in the Federal system. There is only supervised release(Probation) which is another trick bag altogether. Federal inmates serve 85% of their sentence.
I've mentioned how federal inmates can knock time off of their sentences in posts I've made over the years.
Mh320, with his documented issues with narcotics(did state time for a cocaine conviction), will be eligible to participate in the RDAP(Residential Drug & Alcohol Program). His sentencing judge will recommend that Nh320 be placed on the list to take the program when he is a certain amount of time away from completing his sentence.
It's a year long program that is taken by inmates behind the walls. The incentive to take the program is that upon successful completion, an entire year is taken off your sentence. Inmates are also eligible for a full year of halfway house time.
In reality, the entire program is just another way to pump more and more tax payer dollars into the BOP. BOP employees are trained to be instructors or teachers of what is essentially cognitive behavior therapy.
Not all prisons offer the RDAP so inmates are entered into a computer program and when their time comes, if they aren't at a facility that offer RDAP they are transferred to a facility that does.
Its not a simple process to move an inmate. It happens cloaked in secrecy and inmates don't know they are leaving until the moment they are called at what is always the middle of the night.
Depending where the facility is that the inmate is being transferred to there is either a very long bus ride to look forward to, or my personal favorite, a first class ticket aboard what Hollywood has has made movies centered around; Con-Air.
There's nothing like sitting on the Tarmac in a designated area of an airport in ankle shackles and belly chains while being black boxed(device that go over handcuffs to restrict movement beyond what handcuffs offer) for hours before being loaded onto an airplane under heavy security and then having your ankle chains anchored to the floor of the airplane. It's an exhausting process that is highlighted by a series of bag lunches that have bologna sandwiches every 8 hrs or so that you are away from a facility.
The first 6 months after being released post RDAP Mh320 is still going to be property of the BOB. Any incident that has him receiving a disciplinary write up, no matter how minor, will result in his being returned to the facility he left to give back the year that was taken off his sentence as a result of his completing the RDAP. If you happen to be at a halfway house when a guy has fucked up and is headed back you'll know because everyone is ordered back to their rooms while a pair of US Marshall's come and take possession of the individual.
I wasn't aware that Mr. Collins was representing Mh320? Kids got some juice? There isn't another human being I would choose as council if I had that choice. His services have to always be in demand. Mh320 must have deep pockets or friends with those type pockets. Where a retainer may be $5k in State Court, you can expect an attorney in the Federal system is going to ask for $50k and that's if you're taking what the prosecution is giving you.
If you are going to trial you can expect to shell out a couple hundred thousand easily. How things got to be so far out of reach for the average citizen I have no idea.
While I don't know everything about the Federal system, I know enough and stand by my previous statements that any deviation from the Federal Sentencing Guidelines will be a result of what Mh320 and his attorney have been up to in these months leading up to sentencing day.
Unless you've been in the system or have reason to delve into the vast and seemingly infinite world of federal law, you wouldn't know.
There is a special provision in sentencing guidelines that offers a great reward for those willing to help them.
“A defendant who has provided substantial assistance in the investigation or prosecution of another person who has committed an offense may be sentenced to a term of supervised release that is less than any minimum required by statute or the guidelines,” the statute says.
Reading further, if a defendant fully cooperates, he will “then be free to argue for any sentence below the advisory sentencing guideline range.”
If the defendant is found to be uncooperative, the government could snap back charges, and will have no opportunity to appeal.
There are law offices these days that specialize in working with prosecutors for their clients who are interested in cooperating with the government and giving them assistance in prosecuting other citizens.
How Does Cooperating With The Federal Government Work? :: Federal Criminal Attorney KaiserDillon PLLC
The 'Bencyclopedia'!
As usual, my good friend Ben is the Meso resident 'Bencyclopedia' of knowledge regarding these legal system matters we find ourselves discussing too often.
As I have told you privately in the past Big B, it is a shame that you have yet to find a way to capitalize financially on your experiences and knowledge in these matters.
I appreciate the kind words. My gal and I also appreciate your friendship that has gone above and beyond the scope of what friends will do when we've found ourselves in need of a "hand up"(not a hand out, mind you. Big difference). Same goes for @ironwill1951...@Ceymorebuttz...and a few others. You guys make a difference. As far as your other comment goes....in a roundabout way, as you know, I capitalize financially just fine as a result of knowing my way around the Community. I thank you very much, partner.
