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OldGHGuy
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Are you guys running the Opti brand oils or the Pharmaqo brand he previously carried and moved away from?
I’m using Opti brand oils not pharmaqo
it would actually be a huge relief to find out the test was underdosed vs having to figure out what underlying issue I have that’s causing me to not metabolize testosterone correctly because that’s not something I’ve ever heard of happening.
Then I could just trash the gear and move on. My dilemma at this point I’m halfway through this cycle and supposed to be starting a trt phase in December prior to prepping for shows this summer. So do I trash everything and just start trt early with another lab? Push through with what I have been using? It’s a large amount of oil to inject for numbers I should realistically be getting from trt doses. I’m injecting 3cc of test e a week, 7.5cc total and I haven’t gotten much outside of wrecked lipids and slightly lower E2.
Then I could just trash the gear and move on. My dilemma at this point I’m halfway through this cycle and supposed to be starting a trt phase in December prior to prepping for shows this summer. So do I trash everything and just start trt early with another lab? Push through with what I have been using? It’s a large amount of oil to inject for numbers I should realistically be getting from trt doses. I’m injecting 3cc of test e a week, 7.5cc total and I haven’t gotten much outside of wrecked lipids and slightly lower E2.
OldGHGuy
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Just so we're clear: your recent results reflect lower than expected Free T levels using BOTH Opti AAS (plus Primo and EQ) and in a seperate instance KNOWN GOOD test from Goodlyfe?
No it says very clearly in what I posted my free T tests reflect my experience with the Goodlyfe products not Opti. I was responding to the previous member saying possibly total T was lower because my free T was high so I posted the previous labs to show that correlation has never been my experience in the past. When I had good total T numbers compared to the amount I was taking my free T was through the roof. When I started having poor total T numbers compared to the amount I was taking my free T was in the toilet.
The only lab work involving Opti products that I posted is the 1216.15 total T number from October 31st and the 24pcg/ml e2 number also from October 31st. My e2 decreased by almost 40 without changing my AI and that’s my total test number injecting 750mg/week. I posted the other lab numbers for reference of how I’ve responded in the past vs what I’m experiencing now. Part of me hopes someone’s like oh when my whatever was out of whack my test levels sucked too and then I can fix that but I haven’t had that happen yet on or off of this forum.
Also didn’t see the last part known good test from Goodlyfe. It can’t be known in the sense that I didn’t send the vial I was using out for testing. I bought the product around June 2023 and had great labs in August. I continued buying his product and didn’t think it anything of it when I drew the labs again June 2024 my numbers were lower on 400mg than they had been on 150mg.
broilovesushi
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More people need to post bloods on his testosterone. I’m currently using Optis Tren Ace and am 8 weeks in and about to be done with it. Ran it at 50MG EOD. Results have been great, but everything else I’m running which is Test and Primo are from another reputable lab.
My next cycle I am using Optis Test 250 E so hopefully I don’t run into underdosing issues.
My next cycle I am using Optis Test 250 E so hopefully I don’t run into underdosing issues.
readalot
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Nope. But good point. How many vials per batch do you recommend we sample?
Theory here:
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Let's talk.
readalot
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Happy to discuss the methods and details around sterility and endotoxin screen with you. Clearly the TAMC/TYMC are a nice improvement over current standard (nothing) but aren't meant for sterile product testing. Would you like to understand the USP methods for sterility testing?
Jano sends endotoxin testing out to 3rd party so we could discuss those details in relation to USP standards.
As you can see I'm not trying to let perfect be the enemy of good and these compromises should give the UGL user some surveillance into their products. All of this testing is better than compounding pharmacy if the compounding pharmacy is not doing testing. Hard to tell. For the price difference the risk/reward calculus could get pretty compelling for a certain market segment of potenial customers.
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Meatgazer
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Does every domestic thread here now have one of these sterility testing conversations that is not specific to the vendor and seems like it’s just an attempt to hijack the thread? I’m trying to figure out if this vendor’s test is under dosed and I have to skip through a back and forth chemistry dissertation about sterility.
readalot
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Happy to help. Simple. Test it. HPLC 120 USD.
readalot
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Thanks for your question. In Act 1 and 2 I blew off a little steam. Guilty.
Act 3 the stakes have been raised so I'll have to be more focused.
Meatgazer
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So purchase and test, got it. At least you’re now engaging in conversation specific to the thread you’re in. Good job.
Clappincheeks
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I think you should focus less.. that’s your problem. You care too much about things that are out of control. Just relax
readalot
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To a point. The data is indicating differently.
Appreciate the recommendation.
readalot
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The prior posts are perfectly on topic in this thread. And sorely needed.
Don't forget about endotoxins. Will be great to get some insight there. Take care.
I pulled labs with my trt doc recently on Opti’s test cyp. Score was around 1350 with a weekly dose of 150mg, which is in line with where I score when taking my prescription testosterone as I typically am a 8-9x responder.
I also hplc tested 4 of Opti’s products with test cyp being one. All tested on par with Opti’s hplc reports.
The days of calling a product under-dosed due to a low T score are kinda behind us. It’s why I test most things I plan on using. You guys should do the same.
Is there some kind of condition I could have that would change the way I respond to exogenous test? I previously had similar numbers to you. Now I’m barely cracking 1200 on 750mg of test. I’m not calling the gear underdosed I’m genuinely curious what is going on with me. I haven’t lost tissue or strength it’s just bizarre to me.
readalot
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SHBG before and after?
I’ll order this and get back to you. Lab work was done through my primary so was limited in what they would order. Now having more questions I’ll order additional labs independently and try to get it sorted out.
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