PCT is Clomid enough?

[A2Z]

Good morning everyone, this is my first post on here and it will probably be the most significant for me. I have been on 250 mg Test Sus every week for 2 years I'm 39 years old 6'2 240lbs. While I was on I was also talking hcg each week when I pinned to avoid atrophy and lowering of sperm count. During that period my wife and I were both tested in terms of fertility to see if we were in good shape to have children, everything checked out and sperm count was near 10 million. Around 6-7 months ago I lost my hcg source and then life happened, I got slack and never acquired more hcg so for last 6 months still doing 250 every week no hcg. My wife and I are now considering IVF next year. I have had no testicular atrophy that I can tell of. As of right now I'm still producing seaman, not sure about the swimmers though.I took my last pin 2 weeks ago and was going to start clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks yesterday ( This was all I was prepared with, I understand I was foolish here) in the last 72 hours multiple people I have spoken with and of course that led to me digging through the internet which left me more confused, I'm now being told I should take hmg or hcg before I start clomid. My question for you all is.
1. Is clomid 50mg ED for next 4 weeks a good or bad idea?
2. Should I start with hcg or hmg and wait on clomid?
3. If your answer to hcg/hmg is yes then I'm going to need to source and wait for it that will probably be a couple more weeks and I'm already 2 weeks out from last pin, should I start up T again at 250 or a lower dose to keep from becoming suppressed too early?
I really appreciate you taking the time to read this, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you happen to have a lay out in terms of what to do week to week if it's something other than the clomid by itself I would appreciate that as well.

 

[The Terminator]

Couple things, having semen doesn’t mean you’re fertile, semen mostly comes from the seminal vesicles and prostate, you could have 0 sperm and still have semen. If you’re coming off just to have a kid or coming off cause you wanna be natural I’d use hCG first, then clomid. You could have had atrophy that isn’t noticeable when you eyeball it. 2 weeks after your last really isn’t enough to start clomid with what you were using, and 4 weeks might not be long enough to be on clomid. Would really help to know the exact purpose of this pct, whether it’s to come off for good or just long enough to have a kid.

 

[A2Z]

My goal is to come off for good and to conceive a child in the future.

So either way you think I should hold off on PCT until I get HCG? with that being said should I start on test again until I get HCG?
Thank you for the reply.

 

[Sworder]

Find Scally's power PCT here on Meso.

 

[The Terminator]

My goal is to come off for good and to conceive a child in the future.

So either way you think I should hold off on PCT until I get HCG? with that being said should I start on test again until I get HCG?
Thank you for the reply.

Well you should be able to get hCG within a week if you order domestic, as it’s already been 2 weeks since your last shot I’d wait. Ideally you’d want to be using the hCG between your last shot and the 3 or so weeks till you start clomid. I guess you could use your T if you really wanted to but if you do you should use a more realistic trt dose, like 100mg or even less.

 

[A2Z]

Well you should be able to get hCG within a week if you order domestic, as it’s already been 2 weeks since your last shot I’d wait. Ideally you’d want to be using the hCG between your last shot and the 3 or so weeks till you start clomid. I guess you could use your T if you really wanted to but if you do you should use a more realistic trt dose, like 100mg or even less.

 

[The Terminator]

Not sure if you’re trying to ask or say something cause you just reposted my last post.

 

[A2Z]

Oh my bad, was on mobile and it was about to go dead. So since Im going into my 3rd week now If Im able to get HCG in a few days how much should I run and for how long? another 3 weeks? and then start my Clomid everyday at 50 for 4 weeks?

 

[The Terminator]

Oh my bad, was on mobile and it was about to go dead. So since Im going into my 3rd week now If Im able to get HCG in a few days how much should I run and for how long? another 3 weeks? and then start my Clomid everyday at 50 for 4 weeks?

Well most don’t do this but you should run the hCG until your TT is at a minimum decent level, like >400, but most don’t bother to test. In a case like yours I’d highly recommend testing TT before starting clomid. For me 1000iu 3x/wk put me at ~700 after a couple weeks. 2-3 weeks of hCG eod or 3x week anywhere between 1000-2500iu per shot. I’d add in some tamoxifen with the clomid, like 50/20 or 50/10 for at least 6 weeks.

Like Sworder said if you search power pct you can find dr Scally’s pct protocol. Idr exactly the dosing but I think it’s hCG at 1500iu eod for 3 weeks, or when TT is good, then clomid and tamoxifen at 100/40 for 4 or 5 weeks and another 2 weeks of just tamoxifen. It’s something like this, if you search for it you’ll find it but for me personally 25-50mg of clomid and 10-20mg of tamoxifen gave me the same results as 100/40mg without any side effects.

 

[bigrobbie]

@A2Z
If your sperm count was gtg while on exogenous test + hcg could you not just restart hcg and continue at the prior dose of 250mg/wk? Just a thought. Have you had your TT checked?

 

[The Terminator]

@A2Z
If your sperm count was gtg while on exogenous test + hcg could you not just restart hcg and continue at the prior dose of 250mg/wk? Just a thought. Have you had your TT checked?

10 million is kinda low, normally it’s >20 million/ml although some labs say >15million/ml is good. Anything under 15 million/ml or under 40-50 million total would be considered low. If he was at 10million/ml he’d be low but still could have a kid, if he meant 10million total then it’s a bit less likely. It’s a good sign tho, he could probably get a higher count with a higher dose and maybe some clomid.

 

[A2Z]

@A2Z
If your sperm count was gtg while on exogenous test + hcg could you not just restart hcg and continue at the prior dose of 250mg/wk? Just a thought. Have you had your TT checked?

I have not had TT checked, was looking at this thread The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork and was going to order the midcycle one. Would this test give me the information needed?