MESO-Rx Exclusive Peter Bond on steroids and erythrocytosis polycythemia

[MESO-Rx Administrator]

Peter Bond on steroids and their effect on hematocrit and hemoglobin: "The use of anabolic steroids can lead to a condition called erythrocytosis. It’s a condition in which your body has too many red blood cells in its blood... When hematocrit gets too high, a different problem arises. The higher it is, the ‘thicker’ your blood becomes: it increases the viscosity of blood. This carries an increased risk of thrombosis. Let’s take a look at how anabolic steroids increase hematocrit and by how much. After that, let’s look at the risk of thrombosis and what might be done about it."

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/anabolic-steroids-red-blood-cells-erythrocytosis-polycythemia/

 

[pigeonhed]

Excellent read and I really do enjoy the more scientific readings even though my education does not allow me to understand it all. The fear of Thrombosis was something I took seriously as my father had issues with it.

 

[PeterBond]

Excellent read and I really do enjoy the more scientific readings even though my education does not allow me to understand it all. The fear of Thrombosis was something I took seriously as my father had issues with it.

Do you happen to know at which age he had his (first) thrombotic event? There are certain hereditary factors that can greatly impact the risk for it.

 

[pigeonhed]

Do you happen to know at which age he had his (first) thrombotic event? There are certain hereditary factors that can greatly impact the risk for it.

At 55 he first noticed pain in his right leg. I would drop by and hear a lot of itching leg or sometimes actual pain. It was always hard to get him to consider most medical issues serious.

After finally getting to the doctor he had Varicose Veins in the legs, which lead to DVT. They treated the DVT with medication, I cannot remember what he took. The Varicose Veins were later taken out.

One of the many reasons I am rather careful now as I am reaching the mid 50s. Really appreciate all the information and knowledge you have given to me @PeterBond .

Thank you.

 

[juicebro]

Any thoughts on why my hematocrit/hemoglobin never get too high despite running AAS for extended periods? Could it be the telmisartan I'm taking? Almost everyone I know is the opposite and need to donate often.

 

[PeterBond]

Any thoughts on why my hematocrit/hemoglobin never get too high despite running AAS for extended periods? Could it be the telmisartan I'm taking? Almost everyone I know is the opposite and need to donate often.

Most people don't seem to get too high levels of hematocrit on AAS. In the HAARLEM trial 33% of subjects had hematocrit levels above the reference range (vs 5% at baseline) at the end of their cycles (100 subjects, mean AAS dosage ~900 mg weekly for a median of 13 weeks).

Most people I've worked with weren't over the reference range either, so it's pretty common both ways.

 

[grey]

And, of course, not just the bleeding of your finger when you cut it while you were working your chicken

@PeterBond
You clearly "work your chicken" much harder than I do if you are managing to cut yourself during the job!

The Hepcidin return curve goes a long way towards explaining why TRT guys like me seems to have less acute hematocrit issues that the cycle folks run into.

Another good article!

 

[malfeasance]

Most people don't seem to get too high levels of hematocrit on AAS. In the HAARLEM trial 33% of subjects had hematocrit levels above the reference range (vs 5% at baseline) at the end of their cycles (100 subjects, mean AAS dosage ~900 mg weekly for a median of 13 weeks).

Most people I've worked with weren't over the reference range either, so it's pretty common both ways.

Age has a lot to do with it. I don't know why, but steroids drive up hematocrit in older men more than younger.


EDIT: Your article says it, too, "especially in older men."

 

[PeterBond]

Age has a lot to do with it. I don't know why, but steroids drive up hematocrit in older men more than younger.

Yep. I mention it briefly in the article too:

The increase in hematocrit as a result of testosterone administration is most pronounced in older men. Notably, this study found that the greater increases in hematocrit in older men during testosterone therapy were related to a greater suppression of hepcidin.

Older men are more likely to experience side effects from testosterone administration versus young men.

 

[malfeasance]

Yep. I mention it briefly in the article too:


Older men are more likely to experience side effects from testosterone administration versus young men.

LOL! You beat my edit my seconds. You mention it more than once.

 

[readalot]

Related content for reference:

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Get a smart watch that takes BP all day. It will record your average BP which may surprise you how low it is.Its crazy to see how high it goes in rush hour traffic driving.

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[Jaxino]

Peter Bond on steroids and their effect on hematocrit and hemoglobin: "The use of anabolic steroids can lead to a condition called erythrocytosis. It’s a condition in which your body has too many red blood cells in its blood... When hematocrit gets too high, a different problem arises. The higher it is, the ‘thicker’ your blood becomes: it increases the viscosity of blood. This carries an increased risk of thrombosis. Let’s take a look at how anabolic steroids increase hematocrit and by how much. After that, let’s look at the risk of thrombosis and what might be done about it."

Anabolic Steroids and Erythrocytosis Polycythemia

The use of anabolic steroids can lead to a condition called erythrocytosis. It’s a condition in which your body has too many erythrocytes, or red blood cells, in its blood.

thinksteroids.com

I wish i had this problem, i run on low hematocrit and hemoglobin on 1,5g Test and 1,5g EQ.

 

[malfeasance]

I wish i had this problem, i run on low hematocrit and hemoglobin on 1,5g Test and 1,5g EQ.

You have actually pushed this, 3grams of gear weekly, and had "low"

hematocrit and hemoglobin

???

Do you have some sort of strange medical anemic condition?

 

[readalot]

You have actually pushed this, 3grams of gear weekly, and had "low"

???

Do you have some sort of strange medical anemic condition?

Check his full iron panel.

 

[malfeasance]

Did he post it somewhere?

 

[Jaxino]

You have actually pushed this, 3grams of gear weekly, and had "low"

???

Do you have some sort of strange medical anemic condition?

All iron markers are fine.

I think that in my family we have some sort of anemic condition (my mother and father have low hemoglobin too), but no doctor can diagnose what's that, i was even thinking to ask for an hematologist visit but when they see the markers inside the range, they say that i don't need anything.

 

[Jaxino]

Did he post it somewhere?

I can post it here, have to translate it from my language.

These bloods are from 1 month ago:

GLOBULI BIANCHI 8,69 mila/uL da 4,80 a 10,80 (WBC)
GLOBULI ROSSI 4,87 milioni/uL da 4,20 a 5,60 (RBC)
EMOGLOBINA 13,70 g/dl da 13,00 a 17,50 (HEMOGLOBIN)
EMATOCRITO 41,20 % da 37,00 a 54,00 (HEMATOCRIT)
VOLUME GLOBULARE MEDIO (MCV) 84,50 fl da 80,00 a 97,00
CONTENUTO MEDIO DI HB (MCH) 28,10 pg da 25,00 a 34,00
PIASTRINE 349 mila/uL da 150 a 450 (PLATELETS)

Kidney, liver, iron markers are perfect.

 

[Mongo966]

All iron markers are fine.

I think that in my family we have some sort of anemic condition (my mother and father have low hemoglobin too), but no doctor can diagnose what's that, i was even thinking to ask for an hematologist visit but when they see the markers inside the range, they say that i don't need anything.

It's cool. You already know what you need. You don't need a doctor.
1,000 test
1,000 deca
1,000 anadrol
No more anemia.

 

[Jaxino]

It's cool. You already know what you need. You don't need a doctor.
1,000 test
1,000 deca
1,000 anadrol
No more anemia.

ROFL and say bye bye to my liver ^^ anemia solved!

 

[Mongo966]

ROFL and say bye bye to my liver ^^ anemia solved!

The recommended anadrol dosage for anemia patients is rather insane. Up to 5mg/kg of bodyweight. I'm 120kg. I find it hard to imagine a reality where my doctor tells me to neck 600mg of anadrol per day to fix my health problems.