Pharma vs tsl at 750mg weekweek

[Deepwaters1987]

One weekly injection of 750mg of westward pharma. Injections wrestling on Saturday. Labs taken Monday (47.5 hrs post injection), Wednesday (95.5 hours post injection, Friday (146 hours post injection).

Any questions just ask. Tsl bloods will be in roughly 5 weeks with same injection and draw schedule.

These numbers and how far the fell by the 96 hour mark really surprised me, almost to the point I don't believe it.

 

[Gymjunkie70]

Thank you bro.Crazy fluctuations

 

[Deepwaters1987]

Thank you bro.Crazy fluctuations

Definitely did not look anything like I thought it would. I figured with the half life of cyp being closer to 8 days the second lab would have still been at least close to the first.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Much appreciate your contribution, DW!!
Cant wait to see how what the TSL numbers look like.

I didn't see any Free Test levels or did i overlook it?

 

[Deepwaters1987]

Much appreciate your contribution, DW!!
Cant wait to see how what the TSL numbers look like.

I didn't see any Free Test levels or did i overlook it?

No free test levels. I swear it said free t when I ordered. When I got the first test back yesterday I must have looked over the test a dozen times looking for it. Guess I'm loosing my mind. I was even planning on ordering more mast just so pharmas free t numbers wouldn't have that advantage. Long story short I'm kinda disappointed about it lol.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

No free test levels. I swear it said free t when I ordered. When I got the first test back yesterday I must have looked over the test a dozen times looking for it. Guess I'm loosing my mind. I was even planning on ordering more mast just so pharmas free t numbers wouldn't have that advantage. Long story short I'm kinda disappointed about it lol.

It would be great to know, but don't sweet it. We know Total and Free are directly proportional, so I'm sure it would was on the high end. But definitely try to include it when you do the TSL run.

Will you be taking a break in between Parma and TSL to clear out or just run it straight through?

Also, if you were running masteron along with the pharma Test, i think you really should duplicate the same protocol if you truly want an apples for apples comparison.

Why not communicate this to TSL, considering that your posting bloods benefits his cause, he may be willing to send sell you the quantity of Mast you need in lieu of his minimum requirement....you never know..and it cant hurt to ask. Worst he can says is no.

 

[Deepwaters1987]

It would be great to know, but don't sweet it. We know Total and Free are directly proportional, so I'm sure it would was on the high end. But definitely try to include it when you do the TSL run.

Will you be taking a break in between Parma and TSL to clear out or just run it straight through?

Also, if you were running masteron along with the pharma Test, i think you really should duplicate the same protocol if you truly want an apples for apples comparison.

Why not communicate this to TSL, considering that your posting bloods benefits his cause, he may be willing to send sell you the quantity of Mast you need in lieu of his minimum requirement....you never know..and it cant hurt to ask. Worst he can says is no.

I plan on running it straight through. Bloods aren't looking to bad so I feel good about it. I definitely plan on running the mast with it. I want the comparison to be as accurate as possible. This Saturday will be second weekly injection of tsl cyp. Been running mastren at 75mg mon, wed, sat. Never ran tren for 12 weeks. It's a pretty low dose and bloods look good. just not sure if I should just order mast and drop the tren or keep running the mastren. Advice welcome.

 

[legendary]

Looks like this is why even while on blast or cycle even cyp is better off 2x week. Thanks man.

 

[Gymjunkie70]

That's how I've always done it

 

[Deepwaters1987]

Looks like this is why even while on blast or cycle even cyp is better off 2x week. Thanks man.

For sure. Those numbers fell off fast.

 

[Sdryx]

Looks like this is why even while on blast or cycle even cyp is better off 2x week. Thanks man.

This data presents some interesting stuff for us to "study".

Many seem to advocate that having "stable" blood levels would be most beneficial to those looking for muscle building.

HOWEVER:

There is some evidence to suggest the peaks and troughs are better for building muscle and strength than stable levels. William Llewellyn touches on it in his book Anabolics. It's under the same principles that whey protein stimulates anabolism better than casein and the super compensatory effect in the body in many processes.

 

[frankonya]

5952 Test 76.9 Estro 48 hrs
2587 Test 112.6 Estro 96 hrs
1949 Test 110.6 Estro 146 hrs

Just to sum it up, and question were you using an AI at all? And what dose if so?

 

[Deepwaters1987]

5952 Test 76.9 Estro 48 hrs
2587 Test 112.6 Estro 96 hrs
1949 Test 110.6 Estro 146 hrs

Just to sum it up, and question were you using an AI at all? And what dose if so?

Yes 12.5 aromasin eod

 

[Deepwaters1987]

This data presents some interesting stuff for us to "study".

Many seem to advocate that having "stable" blood levels would be most beneficial to those looking for muscle building.

HOWEVER:

I will say that I felt better on the once weekly injection instead of 2x weekly. Always blasted with a 2x weekly protocol . Just tried the once weekly injection for this little experiment. I will say I'm surprised that I felt better now that I've seen the numbers and how drastic they are.

 

[thetsl]

Thank you for your contribution my friend.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I plan on running it straight through. Bloods aren't looking to bad so I feel good about it. I definitely plan on running the mast with it. I want the comparison to be as accurate as possible. This Saturday will be second weekly injection of tsl cyp. Been running mastren at 75mg mon, wed, sat. Never ran tren for 12 weeks. It's a pretty low dose and bloods look good. just not sure if I should just order mast and drop the tren or keep running the mastren. Advice welcome.

So you were running masteron/Trenbolone mix? What where the proportions of Mast to Tren?

Also, i'm not familiar with how much E2 is considered high, how do you perceive your E2 numbers? And how much of that do you contribute to Tren?

 

[CAswole]

This is very interesting. I'm going to be blasting cyp here soon and am going to be pinning 3xs a week for 10 weeks. Read it in an article here about the 3xs a week. Never tried it before so I'm experimenting. Crazy fluctuation. Thx DW

 

[Dema]

How many weeks were you at 750mg before the test were done???

 

[Deepwaters1987]

So you were running masteron/Trenbolone mix? What where the proportions of Mast to Tren?

Also, i'm not familiar with how much E2 is considered high, how do you perceive your E2 numbers? And how much of that do you contribute to Tren?

Yes it was a mix. 100mg of each per ml. 75mg of each eod.

From what I've learned high estogen is relative to the person. Some people can tolerate it well while others can't. Higher estrogen actually helps with the gains as long as you're not growing boobs lol.

If you are referring to how much of the estrogen do I contribute tren throwing off the test numbers then none. I learned that lesson on my first tren run. Ordered the wrong test and estrogen came back at something like 384. I about had a meltdown.

I will say that I'm surprised my estrogen was as high as it was but I felt good and was making good gains so I'm happy.

 

[Deepwaters1987]

This is very interesting. I'm going to be blasting cyp here soon and am going to be pinning 3xs a week for 10 weeks. Read it in an article here about the 3xs a week. Never tried it before so I'm experimenting. Crazy fluctuation. Thx DW

I agree, this has been interesting. Test 2 and 3 were not what I expected at all. Guess that's the cool thing about experimenting with ourselves. We get to learn our bodies and how we react to this stuff.