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Pharma vs tsl at 750mg weekweek

Glad to do it! Almost wish I would have done bloods everyday now that I see the numbers. That would have been real interesting.

Honestly while running the pharma my cycle was going so good I didn't think tsl would stand a chance. These numbers being so much different than what I expected has me even more excited to see the results of the next round of testing.
 
Deepwaters1987 said:
Glad to do it! Almost wish I would have done bloods everyday now that I see the numbers. That would have been real interesting.

Honestly while running the pharma my cycle was going so good I didn't think tsl would stand a chance. These numbers being so much different than what I expected has me even more excited to see the results of the next round of testing.
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The entire principle of half-life come into question...and i don't know if that is entirely the same thing as esterification, which i believe has more to do with one's body's rate of efficiency at absorption and distribution via intra muscle injection and through the blood stream,and at some point in the chain i believe the liver is also involved..nevertheless, the addition of an ester(s) is a utilized norm in modern medicine, so i have to believe that it plays a role even after what bloods may reveal with regards to TT numbers in the blood at a given time.

I think, a blood test only shows what is detectable in the blood. There haven't been any way to measure what is being utilized by the body, that I am aware of. And "free" test is not what I'm referring too. I understand what that is and how it functions. I'm just pondering what is happening between the two..the Total and Free that are appreciable via blodd work and what is actually happening within the body..?

From what i have read thus far, AAS can be detected in the body for much longer than their respective half-lives...therefore, I believe, despite what blood works may say that are available at a given time, apparently trace evidence still lingers..for how long and to what effect?

Otherwise, if there is no difference, then for the bodybuilder, except for those that would rather not pip often, what difference is there from a cypionate vs propionate vs enanthate , etc..etc.? For our purposes, should we be pinning more frequently despite the ester?

Just me rambling... @Deepwaters1987 got us all thinking.
 
Inquiring Mind said:
The entire principle of half-life come into question...and i don't know if that is entirely the same thing as esterification, which i believe has more to do with one's body's rate of efficiency at absorption and distribution via intra muscle injection and through the blood stream,and at some point in the chain i believe the liver is also involved..nevertheless, the addition of an ester(s) is a utilized norm in modern medicine, so i have to believe that it plays a role even after what bloods may reveal with regards to TT numbers in the blood at a given time.

I think, a blood test only shows what is detectable in the blood. There haven't been any way to measure what is being utilized by the body, that I am aware of. And "free" test is not what I'm referring too. I understand what that is and how it functions. I'm just pondering what is happening between the two..the Total and Free that are appreciable via blodd work and what is actually happening within the body..?

From what i have read thus far, AAS can be detected in the body for much longer than their respective half-lives...therefore, I believe, despite what blood works may say that are available at a given time, apparently trace evidence still lingers..for how long and to what effect?

Otherwise, if there is no difference, then for the bodybuilder, except for those that would rather not pip often, what difference is there from a cypionate vs propionate vs enanthate , etc..etc.? For our purposes, should we be pinning more frequently despite the ester?

Just me rambling... @Deepwaters1987 got us all thinking.
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I have actually pondered a lot the importance of pinning schedule and ester. For instance I've ran sust but I'm personally not a fan of the product. Sounds good in theory. In actuality most ugls use at least 4 esters in their sust. From prop or ace to undecanoate. With a range of half lives like this I feel to have the best blast and most stable blood levels we need to inject ed or at least eod or you're just giving yourself giant test spikes with the short ester while on the other hand with undecanoate you're only getting a little over 50% actual test because of the estrogen weight. Might as well just do a cycle with ace/prop or cyp/e with that in mind IMO. I would say that it looks like for me to have the most stable bloods I should inject eod with cyp.

This statement could be complete bioscience bs but maybe some guys would make better gains with the giant spike from the once weekly injection. Like I said I did "feel" better one the once weekly injection and felt my gains were really good. Not sure if I should relate my feelings of wellbeing to having higher peaks than before because of only injecting once or not. In the end we're all individually who might potentially respond extremely well when someone else wouldn't.

Feel like I could keep rambling but I'd probably just travel down rabbit trails that only make sense in my twisted mind.
 
Deepwaters1987 said:
I have actually pondered a lot the importance of pinning schedule and ester. For instance I've ran sust but I'm personally not a fan of the product. Sounds good in theory. In actuality most ugls use at least 4 esters in their sust. From prop or ace to undecanoate. With a range of half lives like this I feel to have the best blast and most stable blood levels we need to inject ed or at least eod or you're just giving yourself giant test spikes with the short ester while on the other hand with undecanoate you're only getting a little over 50% actual test because of the estrogen weight. Might as well just do a cycle with ace/prop or cyp/e with that in mind IMO. I would say that it looks like for me to have the most stable bloods I should inject eod with cyp.

This statement could be complete bioscience bs but maybe some guys would make better gains with the giant spike from the once weekly injection. Like I said I did "feel" better one the once weekly injection and felt my gains were really good. Not sure if I should relate my feelings of wellbeing to having higher peaks than before because of only injecting once or not. In the end we're all individually who might potentially respond extremely well when someone else wouldn't.

Feel like I could keep rambling but I'd probably just travel down rabbit trails that only make sense in my twisted mind.
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Your certainly on to something...and helps the community as a whole consider things otherwise might be overlooked. We are all looking to optimize each and every method, technique, tool, etc..This here, if nothing else, really aids a person in realizing how their body reacts. Sorta helps clarify ones progress out side of the gym. In any event, I'll be keeping an eye on your thread. Thanks for kick starting it all brother.
 
Screenshot_20170302-151451.png Here's labs from Monday. Taken 46 hrs after pin of 750mg tsl test cyp. When on pharma I was also on 450npp, 225 mast p, 225 tren a. While on tsl I switched to mast e at 250, deca 300mg, and have been taking var 30mg daily. Deca was from a local guy and var was from pharmasource. Mast e and obviously cyp was tsl. First labs from pharma are in first post in this thread. Pharma was 59xx vs tsl 3666. Have another set of labs coming from yesterday. Probably get them around Wednesday. Was gonna do mon, wed, fri labs on tsl but my printer messed up Wednesday morning and I couldn't print requisition papers. Had to use my father in laws printer to get the paper printed to go yesterday morning. Any questions just ask.
 
Deepwaters1987 said:
View attachment 62905 Here's labs from Monday. Taken 46 hrs after pin of 750mg tsl test cyp. When on pharma I was also on 450npp, 225 mast p, 225 tren a. While on tsl I switched to mast e at 250, deca 300mg, and have been taking var 30mg daily. Deca was from a local guy and var was from pharmasource. Mast e and obviously cyp was tsl. First labs from pharma are in first post in this thread. Pharma was 59xx vs tsl 3666. Have another set of labs coming from yesterday. Probably get them around Wednesday. Was gonna do mon, wed, fri labs on tsl but my printer messed up Wednesday morning and I couldn't print requisition papers. Had to use my father in laws printer to get the paper printed to go yesterday morning. Any questions just ask.
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TSL scored high but considerably lower than pharm. Hmm. Still good numbers on the TSL.
 
Screenshot_20170307-215950.png Here's Fridays labs. These are to be compaired to 3rd set of labs from first post. I was right on the number almost. I was guessing total t would come in right around 1200 based on the pharma results. This is tsl test cyp 1 weekly injection of 750mg 6 days -2hrs post injection. Pharma results were 19xx. Yes I'm sick as a lot of you could guess from some of the numbers flagged as high.
 
CdnGuy said:
Thanks man really appreciate your efforts hats off. Sry too see the results. Let's just say I'm salivating right now.:mad:
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No problem! I figured it would give me a good reason to use up some of the pharma I've been hoarding. Have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the numbers.
 
Deepwaters1987 said:
No problem! I figured it would give me a good reason to use up some of the pharma I've been hoarding. Have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the numbers.
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After all Tsl's talk about his test raws & comparing it too pharm. :rolleyes: Meso customers should be taking a stance imo...
 
Deepwaters1987 said:
View attachment 63323 Here's Fridays labs. These are to be compaired to 3rd set of labs from first post. I was right on the number almost. I was guessing total t would come in right around 1200 based on the pharma results. This is tsl test cyp 1 weekly injection of 750mg 6 days -2hrs post injection. Pharma results were 19xx. Yes I'm sick as a lot of you could guess from some of the numbers flagged as high.
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Hey DW just out of curiosity where the test e bottles from TSL the clear or brown bottles?
 
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