Pharmacom/Basic sold bunk/underdosed products for all orders MAY and JUNE

[Docd187123]

Still stupid I see...

 

[mands]

Man what a mess in here.

@stayinalive I think some of the members were asking for you to get bloods for the board and community. Not for a refund from @Pharmacom Labs or @Dema. You getting bloods would benefit us and us only. That way others can make a educated decisions if they choose to use Pharmacom or not. The way you have gone about it is wrong. You can't say something is bunk just on your word only. You need proof. Via bloods or lab testing.

If you need help arranging anything let me know. In the meantime, I'm sorry you saying you gear is bunk(which it very well could be) doesn't hold water.

Good luck.

mands

 

[stayinalive]

Man what a mess in here.

@stayinalive I think some of the members were asking for you to get bloods for the board and community. Not for a refund from @Pharmacom Labs or @Dema. You getting bloods would benefit us and us only. That way others can make a educated decisions if they choose to use Pharmacom or not. The way you have gone about it is wrong. You can't say something is bunk just on your word only. You need proof. Via bloods or lab testing.

If you need help arranging anything let me know. In the meantime, I'm sorry you saying you gear is bunk(which it very well could be) doesn't hold water.

Good luck.

mands

Mands but what about everyone elses gear being bunk?

Why does it hold no merit when I have provided proof of others that have gotten the short end of the stick.

The only value argument you can make is that MY claims over My gear don't "hold water".

However what about the other members that have PROVEN blood work?

What about all those threads all the proof I have gathered proving that they have been in deed scamming people.

You CANNOT argue that they sent people bunk gear because I have already shown enough members that are saying the same things. I feel as if even if I had gotten blood work people would have found more excuses.

It isn't about MY blood work necessarily. It is about the proof of other members getting stepped on by pharmacom/basic.

The amount of circumstantial and physical evidence here is honestly insurmountable.

It's not just one member saying this @mands it's quite a significant amount of members saying the same things. I know you have been around long enough to have seen the complaints over the years.

Is it not our responsibility to protect our members from known scammers??

Sources get kicked out of here for MUCH less,we need to be fair and treat EVERY source the same. Pharmacom does NOT set the rules around here like they think they do.

 

[stayinalive]

Pharmacom more famous last words of bullshit... it's pretty obvious you are laughing at your customers that are filling your pockets with thousands of dollars of their hard earned cash every day so you can spend your weekends on a beach in tropical places.

You're a typical bullshitter... good at first till you establish a reputation and now inconsistent with shitty products that mysteriously go missing when sent to your preferred SIMEC for testing. Seen this too many times. And your other bullshit reps claiming your batches are so huge at one time, how in the hell do you go from one report showing such underdosing than the next is even more or slightly less or close to proper.... all having the same batch numbers. You just enjoy playing dirty and unfortunately SIMEC is stuck in the middle as they may or may not be a solid testing resource.

I find it most ironic of all, the simple fact that all other tests that have been sent from other members that weren't your product have already been tested and sent back.... meanwhile Luca is STILL waiting on an answer 4 months later. I agree with @CdnGuy that this definitely smells fishy! And you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I had very little respect for Pcom after seeing all the problems with their products on various boards (not just here) and how they deal with conflict towards their customers, they are full of shit and whatever this test comes back as, I will not believe it!

And those that want to give me hell for this post, just suck it. I don't care to be pretending that Pcom is the best shit around, cause it isn't... just like you can go read the Canadian boards that are influenced by Canadian labs and claim they are the best where in reality, most of them just buy their ratings. So take this however you wish, it's my opinion and it will never change. I'd rather support small reputable proven true UGLS that have a solid record than these guys. AND I will continue calling out bullshit on all that I feel the need, just I have done so to several others not just Pcom.

@lucabratzi truly hope things will work out and someone at Pcom will somehow make things right for you... in this case, refund would be best IMO... not only you lost out on gear and your cycle but a lot of hard earned cash to receive no responses and just a runaround with bullshit excuses.

@mands this has been going on for a long while,this isn't anything that is new here. Now because of this report they are going to send legit gear for a while until the good reviews come in,later they will send bunk again.

 

[JayWaWa]

I never said I was a vet.
I never said what PC doses their vials is as posted.
I can't say I truly really trust the AL program.
However, I can't get uncapped bloods easily to prove the dosing.
With Analyzer I will be testing PC and another canadian company, that I can say. But this was more of a new method than before.

What I said, was that what this member was doing was bullshit. Demanding free gear from the source with nothing to back it up. (he backtracks now, but that's what he wanted) He even called reverse scamming a cost of being a source's business like they should just send everyone free gear for nothing.
Then he started spamming all the threads.
I want to see bloods, I want to see testing.

I've had amazing results, and my bloods cap out the test. I have friends that get gear and end up with leg infections. I haven't seen this with PC or haven't read a review of infected legs. Swollen as fuck lumps from the high Concentration but no serious infections.
But the hardest part when I signed up was deciding to try or not to. And listening to all his bullshit is plain and simple bullshit.
He won't do testing, he won't do anything. Just spam threads. I'd be happy to post my bloods, but I can't see my true test levels which doesn't help. I can't get sensitive E2 levels either.

Whether you use it or not, PCOM has a lot of customers. I would support this member more if he would actually do anything but spam and talk bullshit.

Labels are easy.
I doubt that pcom ever intentionally makes and sells bunk gear, just lack of quality control.
I think most sources want to send out good gear, but lab testing is inconveniant.

I disagree.
I dont know why they did, but they began doing it around the time they started selling their vials at half price. Half the cost for half the gear?
Every vial is underdosed significantly, and they know it.
So does everyone who bought them.

 

[Dema]

Id love to see some members stepping up and taking advantage of the testing instead of sitting here going off speculation.....

Get some damn test done people!!!!!

 

[stayinalive]

Id love to see some members stepping up and taking advantage of the testing instead of sitting here going off speculation.....

Get some damn test done people!!!!!

The testing is for the "new" batches you guys are sending out. Of course they will come back clean,people will post "evidence" you guys have good gear,then 3 weeks later it's back to bunk/underdosed. Who do you thinking you are scamming??

You guys operate your business as if everyone on meso in incapable of critical thinking.

Just because you guys send good gear AFTER the scam report,does NOT prove you haven't been scamming people before. In fact you guys have been scamming on here for years.

@Derma

Shame on you,instead of getting a real job you would rather work for pennies for a company that steals from people. You lack moral integrity and that is why you will always have to resort to shilling to afford your steroid habit.

 

[Dema]

The testing is for the "new" batches you guys are sending out. Of course they will come back clean,people will post "evidence" you guys have good gear,then 3 weeks later it's back to bunk/underdosed. Who do you thinking you are scamming??

You guys operate your business as if everyone on meso in incapable of critical thinking.

Just because you guys send good gear AFTER the scam report,does NOT prove you haven't been scamming people before. In fact you guys have been scamming on here for years.

@Derma

Shame on you,instead of getting a real job you would rather work for pennies for a company that steals from people. You lack moral integrity and that is why you will always have to resort to shilling to afford your steroid habit.

Testing is for anyone... Weather they recieved from the "good or bad" pile..... So let's get Some testing done... You can't argue that..... Well I'm sure you'll find something

 

[eric89074]

I have a vial of 500mg/ml test E from USA basicstero I got yesterday. Trying to get in touch with @Analyzer to have it tested. I've got a vial from their international store I ordered last month still in its way. I'm willing to pay to have that tested as well once I get it.

 

[stayinalive]

I have a vial of 500mg/ml test E from USA basicstero I got yesterday. Trying to get in touch with @Analyzer to have it tested. I've got a vial from their international store I ordered last month still in its way. I'm willing to pay to have that tested as well once I get it.

Yeah but who are you? You have 3 messages. The vial you got yesterday is good because they were already aware they were being exposed. We have no way to tell when you bought your vial. You seem like you work for frank honestly. Again we don't know what batch the vials are from because these guys use Fake batch numbers


For the last time,just because some vials are REAL does NOT mean they didn't send out bunk to other people.

 

[eric89074]

Yeah but who are you? You have 3 messages. The vial you got yesterday is good because they were already aware they were being exposed. We have no way to tell when you bought your vial. You seem like you work for frank honestly. Again we don't know what batch the vials are from because these guys use Fake batch numbers


For the last time,just because some vials are REAL does NOT mean they didn't send out bunk to other people.

I've been reading this board for a while since I started TRT and decided to make a small order from basicstero after reading about different suppliers. I only started posting once I read about pharmacom possibly making bunk gear because I wanted to do a trt blast and was worried the AI I also got from them might be junk.

 

[mands]

Mands but what about everyone elses gear being bunk?

Why does it hold no merit when I have provided proof of others that have gotten the short end of the stick.

The only value argument you can make is that MY claims over My gear don't "hold water".

However what about the other members that have PROVEN blood work?

What about all those threads all the proof I have gathered proving that they have been in deed scamming people.

You CANNOT argue that they sent people bunk gear because I have already shown enough members that are saying the same things. I feel as if even if I had gotten blood work people would have found more excuses.

It isn't about MY blood work necessarily. It is about the proof of other members getting stepped on by pharmacom/basic.

The amount of circumstantial and physical evidence here is honestly insurmountable.

It's not just one member saying this @mands it's quite a significant amount of members saying the same things. I know you have been around long enough to have seen the complaints over the years.

Is it not our responsibility to protect our members from known scammers??

Sources get kicked out of here for MUCH less,we need to be fair and treat EVERY source the same. Pharmacom does NOT set the rules around here like they think they do.

@mands this has been going on for a long while,this isn't anything that is new here. Now because of this report they are going to send legit gear for a while until the good reviews come in,later they will send bunk again.

I understand others have troubles with Pramacom gear and they posted labs(if I remember, underdosed test). You posting others complaints CAN hold merit. If you were armed with members claims(showing blood work or lab analysis) and yours as well(showing blood work or lab analysis) this might have gone differently.

Those that scream the loudest sometimes get overlooked and/or seem to have an agenda. Not saying you do. Others might perceive it that way.

I have seen complaints over the years and that's why I choose not to use them. If you knew the claims to be true... Why did you order from them and risk it?

We ARE here to protect our members but if they are ignoring the complaints from others and still ordering how does this help?

mands

 

[stayinalive]

I understand others have troubles with Pramacom gear and they posted labs(if I remember, underdosed test). You posting others complaints CAN hold merit. If you were armed with members claims(showing blood work or lab analysis) and yours as well(showing blood work or lab analysis) this might have gone differently.

Those that scream the loudest sometimes get overlooked and/or seem to have an agenda. Not saying you do. Others might perceive it that way.

I have seen complaints over the years and that's why I choose not to use them. If you knew the claims to be true... Why did you order from them and risk it?

We ARE here to protect our members but if they are ignoring the complaints from others and still ordering how does this help?

mands

Mands the bad comments get flooded quickly by the shills.

Not sure about previous shitstorms, but op shoulda brought some simple bloods to this post.

@Big_paul , what would you like to see a source do in a case like this

They've been tested by anabolic labs,
And they pay rent here too.

Just because they make a lot of money fucking members over, and pay to be able to perpetuate that via advertisement, we should be softer on them? Come on.

In the thread which I quoted you were also involved @mands. You have been involved in two threads that are saying the EXACT same thing I am saying.

It wasn't staying alive saying it @mands it was respected community veterans.

I saw you post on both:

Beware Pharmacom

Fartacom is leaving this board.

Why can't some of you veterans like yourself @mands take a stand and say no more to the scamming. Those super hidden warning threads take a long time to find. These guys are robbing our members blind and no one wants to say anything about it.

 

[Docd187123]

Mands but what about everyone elses gear being bunk?

Why does it hold no merit when I have provided proof of others that have gotten the short end of the stick.

The only value argument you can make is that MY claims over My gear don't "hold water".

However what about the other members that have PROVEN blood work?

What about all those threads all the proof I have gathered proving that they have been in deed scamming people.

You CANNOT argue that they sent people bunk gear because I have already shown enough members that are saying the same things. I feel as if even if I had gotten blood work people would have found more excuses.

It isn't about MY blood work necessarily. It is about the proof of other members getting stepped on by pharmacom/basic.

The amount of circumstantial and physical evidence here is honestly insurmountable.

It's not just one member saying this @mands it's quite a significant amount of members saying the same things. I know you have been around long enough to have seen the complaints over the years.

Is it not our responsibility to protect our members from known scammers??

Sources get kicked out of here for MUCH less,we need to be fair and treat EVERY source the same. Pharmacom does NOT set the rules around here like they think they do.

You mean the same way you proved you have no idea what test e's half life is lol?

 

[stayinalive]

You mean the same way you proved you have no idea what test e's half life is lol?

There is differing studies on that DOC,i don't give a fuck if you are a respected member here you little bitch. Every single post I have seen from your shilling ass has been in support of pharmacom.Fuck that scam and fuck the people like you that allow these guys to perpetually scam members. You are nothing but a swine ass licker for that.

FUCK @Docd187123 and any other veteran that KNOWINGLY defends pharmacom KNOWING they scam members. You guys are nothing but filth.

 

[Steve84]

Should I remind everyone how you started your thread? No bloods, no testing, but demanding replacements from the source for free?
You conveniently had awesome first order but then the next isn't?
All you wanted was replacements but don't want to provide any valid proof to the community. So you started spamming over and over hoping to get your way.
You said you ordered 1 test and 1 EQ and you got ripped off for $300 dollars? I'm sorry your math doesn't add up that's not the prices for 2 vials.
Then lets remind everyone of how you said sources should accept reverse scammers as a cost of business. All you are is a piece of shit rip off, trying to pressure sources into sending you free gear. But it didn't work out here did it?

Stop spamming Bullshit.

 

[mands]

Mands the bad comments get flooded quickly by the shills.

In the thread which I quoted you were also involved @mands. You have been involved in two threads that are saying the EXACT same thing I am saying.

It wasn't staying alive saying it @mands it was respected community veterans.

I saw you post on both:

Beware Pharmacom

Fartacom is leaving this board.

Why can't some of you veterans like yourself @mands take a stand and say no more to the scamming. Those super hidden warning threads take a long time to find. These guys are robbing our members blind and no one wants to say anything about it.

That's why if you are purchasing gear from a UGL you better read every page no matter how long it takes.

I do my best when I'm involved and try to go after labs when I can. Seems these days I'm going after members more. It takes time and most VETS on here do what I do. Make a suggestion on what should happen and then see if the member does or doesn't follow through. In these cases I don't think they did.

mands

 

[Docd187123]

There is differing studies on that DOC,i don't give a fuck if you are a respected member here you little bitch. Every single post I have seen from your shilling ass has been in support of pharmacom.Fuck that scam and fuck the people like you that allow these guys to perpetually scam members. You are nothing but a swine ass licker for that.

FUCK @Docd187123 and any other veteran that KNOWINGLY defends pharmacom KNOWING they scam members. You guys are nothing but filth.

So if you're aware of studies showing 10.5days as a half life then you're more than capable of posting them here. I'll be waiting lmao

 

[Steve84]

So if you're aware of studies showing 10.5days as a half life then you're more than capable of posting them here. I'll be waiting lmao

Welcome to the Shill side because he is a fucking moron.
At least Meso KNOWINGLY knows he scams sources.

 

[Docd187123]

Welcome to the Shill side because he is a fucking moron.
At least Meso KNOWINGLY knows he scams sources.

You're right but I couldn't care less what an imbecile thinks of me lol