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[bmanstrong]

So what's the count now?
Meso: 2
Frank: 1
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[Bighurt51]

You kidding me right?

FEW DAYS? It's fucking oxandrolone!!! It's not dbol/abol! It takes time to feel it, and to do it works. Do you take winny and expect to shred in few days?

Please give me a break.

I can find quite a few motives for lying. I'm not saying you are a liar, you took 100mg ed of var for few days and call it bunk. You are not a liar, just an idiot.

I don't care who you are, but that's funny right there.

 

[Bighurt51]

Ill post my results in the lab testing section later after i remove my personal info.
Also i purchased the sus from frank not darious.

Great Job Frank.!!

 

[Bighurt51]

But i am surprised he hasn't commented on my lab results, i would have liked to hear his opinion.

Mr B66 and you ordered from Frank?

 

[Nitrobuste]

Now that everyone called frank out expecting him to come in here and talk up his sust, he'll probably just try and play it cool now.

You know let the product speak for itself type situation.....

I dont think so. Just because one product is not extreme underdosed ? His dbol, var, test e, test p and his tren are garbage as far as we now.

 

[PHL Official]

Well... it`s night, I am tired as hell, finally read all posts here... it looks like it will be a long post...

Well... i am just trying to find right words and intro to start. Ok, guys, lot of you hate me here and think I sold you bunk gear or underdosed gear. The thread really turned out into a mass hysteria. Most of posts are unsatisfactory of users reading posts of other users, which don`t feel anything. But the majority did not try yet or tested or is only waiting. If this continues in this manner further it will be not not good for both sides, customers and me and my nerves. I am dead tired to argue with you, however I am not going to stop defending me, cause I know I am right. You can hate me for my this position, but this is only emotion, which absolutely does not help to find, where is the truth. By the way, I am sitting on a good dose of tren, mast, test as well as stressed all the time, so I agree I can easily be hacked off now, especially when I read some posts stating what a jerk I am only because a person, which left this post, had just read another post, where somebody write that something works not as it should work in his opinion. I know, that we have inside what is written on the label. Because I believe to my eyes and what I see during production process, what I feel and what lab tests say which are done by people I now and not by some new members here. Also I know that we are a pain in the ass for lot of sources which loses their profit if people understand what is Pharmacom in fact. Now I just now there is going to be a war against us, it has already begun. I mean not old and respected members of this boars. Last several days I received several messages from new members on different boards, also here. I have been asked there to give our PayPal account because guys for some reason could not or did not wanted to use WU. As result we have now open issues in PayPal and claims kind of - I have ordered several times and NEVER received my products, they are scammers, etc. I checked our database and found 3 orders placed by this person with time interval over 15 days. The guy said they never replied my messages. I checked his email, no one message at all. We do not have any spam filter. Where is any common sense, if you did not received your order after the first time, why have you placed other orders... and not one! or other new claims stating that we picked up money and do not reply at all. What the... Our paypal is limited now, we have to solve open issues and it is absolutely clear that we can not give to paypal resolution center any info about our store. In this case account and money will be completely and immediately blocked as illegal, i am sure. Explain me please, who would need to do this? It is absolutely clear, who can be interested in this. I also mentioned here that we have much pressure from some sources especially domestic. By the way, someone here... or to be more correctly, someone who reads this board, came to evo and tried to raise a storm similar to that one, which broke out here... This was a true hysteria, dozens of messages with negative contents about us based only on couple of photos with blood works made on products ordered even not in our store. Is this reasonable? So, I have noticed anything myself at first. After one good man which which works with us and is lot of years in the business and member of lot of boards told me that he has info that ... i will not provide any names... but some sources experience huge profit downfalls and are going to kick us out. In a couple days i proceeded orders, opened Paypal and found several simultaneous issues. There is no chance that some customers would do it at the same day, considering that we haven`t scammed anyone ever. A bit later on Evo appears another person saying that our gear is shit. Just words, no proves as always. And a few posts on Evo... registered in May. At the same day another new member asking for our paypal in public. registered in may... Later i noticed that one of newly registered members had another member in friends, a rep of a source, which name I have heard a short while before that guy left a message... This are situations which I run into all the time. All the time somebody is trying to fuck up our e-wallets and they do it from time successfully. We managed to lose millions in rubles. Our store in russia we dos-attacks so many times, we had to use implement special protection services. We have also many users in russian forums which appear, say they are unsatisfied and feel nothing. They even post blood works with really law results... but members there which are years on the boards, which used our products just tell them to jump in the lake. Not because we pay something, we are free there as here or as on evo, I pay nothing to anybody neither in money nor in gear. People are just a long time there, used our products and know what is what. There are dozens of blood works there...

And now explain me please why I while seeing all this and this is by far not all I tell you, shall I believe to some strange unproven messages?!!! If I use this shit myself and feel it. Why?

I understand all of you generally, you have seen here lot of ugl which were ok in the beginning and disappeared. But tell me please!!!! How many sources have you seen here which are standing up in this dirty market almost 10 years?!!! Can you tell me any lab which could stand up as long and only improve its volume? How many labs have provided these videos. How many labs provided chromotography results, etc. How many labs have a huge bodybuilders and powerlifters teams, inclusive IFBB professionals? You hardly mistake if you think all this is fake, videos are fake, products are fake and i am not going never ever disappear whatever would happen there. I have never attacked here and anybody as first, however I have been attacked and insulted unfounded and unfair lot of times but members which even did not try our gear to draw any conclusions based on own experience. And yes, I do not like this very much, does not never what is it about. For me these are people, which don`t have their own opinion and can not have an objective opinion only because they have not tried our gear. If each of you haven`t tried yet, but blames me, your meaning means nothing for me. Sorry. You can say again I am disrespectful. Sorry, again, you are not right, this is not disrespect, this is a common sense. People without own founded opinion are just a crowd, which can be manipulated very easy. Politicians like to use similar tricks to rule over a society and crowd. And if such a person... such crowed starts insulting me, I will not just stand letting beating me... or to hell with me I am nobody hear, bur Pharmacom as brand... sorry again, I will not just stay and do nothing. If you roll the thread back or refer to private conversations (for those who had it in pm or per mail with me), you will ensure yourself I never showed a disrespectful attitude to someone as first. It was only in response. I don`t care of what nationality or faith, etc. you are, but if you you show disrespect to me, you will be treated equally from my side. Equal conditions. this is all i asked all the time. If somebody insults me, why shall I endure this? Especially from some persons which even haven`t ordered anything in our store at all. You mentioned here already several times something like - this is how you treat your customers, etc. I and Pharmacom respect our customers and our true and long customers are happy with the quality of our products and don`t want to change us to anything. I could publish here lot of screenshots from our email with positive feedbaсks, where people are super happy. Just example, the first message I found in the e-mail box dd. 05/29/2015: “I have tried both your oral and inj dbol and they both kick ass, honestly its some of the best I have taken I am a bigger fan of inj for some reason, that's why I want more, I have used your sust 300, inj drol, oral and inj dbol.”. Why some people are happy with it and somebody says he is using 100 mg per day and nothing… Nitrobuste, I refer to you here and you may not like what I say, however I have been always straight and keep being it. You said:

FYI i upped my tren a dosage to 150mg ed 10 days ago. Still just small sides. Sometimes a little bit sweating at night, sometimes insomnia. I have not much experience with tren but i think its safe to say that its atleast underdosed.


Today also 150mg dbol 1 hour pre workout. Nothing.


Bought everything from basicstero.

I have written many times that i tested the var at 100mg ed and felt nothing besides joint paint.

My Joints were hurting like hell, biceps training was impossible. I wrote it here in the forum and people told me that its most likely winstrol.

I never ran dbol and anavar together. Why do you say such bullshit ?

Its smells like SHILL

WTF ? You call me a liar ? Why should i lie about that ? Theres absolutely no reason. I bought a pack of the var and when i noticed nothing after a few days at 50mg, i upped the dosage to 100mg pre workout. Same with the dbol. I know my body. When i notice nothing after a week, i know i have bunk gear.

Sorry few days? Seriously? This is too early to decide. You for sure now that anavar is a weak drug. This is so mild that it was and can be even prescribed for children. If you say you felt nothing on it, except joint pain… Please tell me what exactly did you expect from it? No, I am not… I can not find a word again. This is an absolutely seriously question, I would like to understand on which signs you was able that this is not anavar. But you said joint paint. If it was winny you would not say I felt nothing… it has much more adverse effects as anavar and can not even be compared with it.

Anavar as pre-workout? Really man? And what kind of energy burst out have you expected from it? Even if so, how long before exercise have you taken it? I would understand if you said mix 5 or ester-free test, which get directly into the blood stream and start working almost immediately and for a short while creating a high and sharp peak in the blood. Which pre-workout properties have you expected from a 17-alpha-alkylated compound which is taken orally and which loses a part of its weak efficiency due to the first pass through the liver effect and partial deactivation by cytochromes? Or another interesting for me question, what was in stack with it? You said you ordered a pack of anavar and used it… single? Without any other gear? Or something was in stack? Another question, you mentioned tren. Did you use it before anavar? Or together with it? In both cases how were you going to notice an action of this weak drug after one of the most potent steroids (both androgenically and anabolically, if I can say so) in the market? Or in stack with it? Have you checked your liver enzymes at all? After tren they could be in heaven especially in such dosages… just crazy…150 mg daily… What cycle was it at all? I mean in your life. Guys, understand me correct, I am not saying everyone is liar and idiot and my gear is the best, everyone shall take it. But from posts of Nitrobuste we have absolutely not enough information to draw any fair and reliable conclusions at all. There are so fucking many factors which could influence your feelings, energy, etc. In case with anavar as preworkout especially if it was taken solo cars consumption and good sleep have a much more potent impact on your energetic profile as anavar. You expect from it things which it will not be able to give you. Sorry, but based on your posts I can make only one conclusion, which seems fait to me: in your case there are too many unknown factors and your expectations regarding this drug are exaggerated. Also for me personally you seem to be not very competent/experienced in pharmacology and work-out on gear. No disrespect, this is my personal opinion and I explained pretty thoroughly why I got it. I personally as a customer or even as an athlete would not rely on your point. If you think I am wrong and you are right, in principle you can prove it. If I remember right, you said you leave near Switzerland. They have a decent GMP certified lab http://www.simec.ch/en/ . As far as I know they except samples per post. If you send there this anavar, I am ready to cover and reimburse its chromatography testing. Please notice, I offered to send not some anavar ordered or delivered from china, I meant exactly the same blister you have on hands. You say there it is not anavar, you can prove it, I can cover expenses. I think everybody on this board would glad to see it. I always asked for good lab test but did not see any one test of our drugs from our store yet. And let`s do the same with the tren, which is bunk as you say. I know members here absolutely don`t like somebody offering free gear or money. But I think everyone would agree, this is an exception. We already have a guy, which openly said both our products are bunk. You have a chance to prove it free of charge for you. Of coarse to be absolutely sure I will ask to tell me the order number in our store and make a photo of this anavar and tren. This is absolutely fair, especially if I reimburse all costs. Simac will make also a photo of this tab and vial, make tests and tell what is there inside in fact. We all will see this result here.And to absolutely avoid all future misunderstandings I also ask you to ask this lab to put into email recipients not only you but also some members of this board if they would wish and me. This will be fair. If it shows it is bunk or there is winny there instead of anavar, I will believe in this myself and apologies to everyone for my bullheadedness. But now your words seem for me absolutely unreliable. And not only for me by the way. I have once mentioned our Russian forum, if somebody gives there some estimation like this, he shall show his photo within 3 days (blacked face) to estimate his physique and what he indeed achieved, and also a blood work or some other result shall be provided. The same for good reviews. Accounts of members which do this are deleted within 3 days. If you guys really want to have a good board with minimum gear whores, fake reviews, doubtful feedbacks, etc. you would agree with me. Actually you would agree with me last time when I mentioned this type of a board. All users may read it and learn which sources are good and which not, but there will be no mess up at all like here. Or much less. However when I mentioned this your reaction was not as I would expect it shall be from guys being tired from bunk ugls… And will never understand it. Probably some differences in the world view. Phuh… time to comment next post.

Wow. You made a very very bad decision mate...

Well…What is a bad decision? And I think I have made good decision. Actually I had not any choice. I can only wait till there will be 20-30-40…reviews, blood works, finally lab results from Simec and a couple other things we are preparing. I am not going to agree with a crowd fooled without individual meaning of each separate member. Now this is the only thing I see here. I are bullheaded, so I will be. This does not mean disrespect, this means equal attitude and equal conditions. And this has absolutely nothing to do with my customers, manner to guide a business, etc. If you allow you to insult me in any way you want, with all respect ,which I shall not have to you, fuck you. If you are friendly, you would say in a while I am cool as hell. I imagine now what everyone thinks while reading this… In any way you get the respective feedback from me. I never insulted somebody as first. My not trusting some test results has reasons, but has nothing with to do disrespecting. I imagine a situation, where…do not know, my brother promptly needs a tracheostomia due to gasping, we get to the nearest doctor, which I do not know at all and he looks strange for me. I say I wanna change him and he complains, what the hell, you don`t respect me and starts insulting me… This is what happened in fact. Not trusting has nothing common with respect. I do not trust guys, which posted blood works. How can I trust a person with only 30 messages here, when on another board similar person, which came from here, by the way, tries to defile our brand? I trust nobody, this is my job, not to trust if an iron evidence is not provided (which I have always asked as well as you asked from me and also hasn`t trust; we were in equal conditions). In other case I would not occupy this position. I run into mails of schnorrers every day, asking for freebies, telling they did not received orders, however tracking number says – delivered; dozens of trials to get free gear from us or smirch us. This is around me lot of years. And not to trust is the only real way which allows to stay on the surface and avoid lot of losses.

It looks like the decision that was made in last nights strategy session is to deny and ignore the complaints and proceed full speed ahead hoping the momentum will carry them over this disaster.


Pharmacon has his orders. Expect nothing more from him than the above. Anyone unfortunate enough to have received their bunk gear will be fucked over.

There was no decisions made, but yes, if complains will be as Nitrobuste had, I will and continue to defend us and deny such complaints. I think his knowing of the math part is weak, he knows about how gear works not enough and has not enough experience. Not to mention any evidences provided. How can I trust it… Yes, I will object such claims. Your post is nothing meaning words which have no substantiation based on you own experience with gear from our store. Such posts can not be considered seriously a priori. Once you test something yourself and publish a review or better some test results, it will be worth taking into account, if done properly.

Sounds like Frank for sure

My work made me like this. There are reasons obviously.

Well let's find out what I'm doing wrong Image Removed

Because gear is not at question here. I'm not the only one getting 4-6x max from pharma grade. Trt forums have plenty of that ppl. That doesn't meant the pharmacom test is legit... This is a whole different story.

Mate I personally had blood work results from the same vial of test prop (not Pharmacom), one 100 mg injection was made into quadriceps, another one in 7 month into triceps. But it was mixed with masteron and a bit tren. Results were lower almost by 2 times. I do not remember numbers now, it was a couple years ago, but I wondered me. However all worked perfectly. Do not know how to explain this till now. Result was checked twice. However this is a fact I experienced myself with british dragon.

the jury may still be out on pharmacom but as far as frank goes the jury is back and he has been found guilty of being a total idiot

It looks like a have told everything to this subject.

No, there were multiple labmax fails, multiple mass spec fails, and people taking 100mg of dbol daily with minimal sides. Many people have had poor results, and Frank has met each claim with denial and accusations. The people waiting for, hoping for, good bloods in the next few days are hopeless optimists.

Is labmax a test which give a 100% true result? In this case why did it failed with eq if spectrometry confirmed it? What would be your explanation?!!!

Our boldenone raws have by the way one of the lowest purities among all products in the range. In every raws batch years long. Our HPLC detection (atwavelength246 nm) of eq raws from our last ordered batch in April showed 14 by-products in trace concentrations, which could easily influence any labmax test.

How is it possible that EVERYONE else here can read the numbers and see what units are used on the bloodwork but you can't?


Let me help you.


From the under dosed Test E thread:

TOTAL TESTOSTERONE: 1818 ng/DL


The U.S. measures in ng/DL.

Most European countries, Balkans, Russia, etc. measure in nmol/L.

When you convert it 1818 ng/DL = 63 nmol/L


That is HALF of what the results you posted on Evo say.

Now you have no excuse.

Thank you for the help. Sorry, I will stay sceptic about this result and prefer to wait more blood works done.I also explained everything about evo and I am not disowning my words. What you made here is a hysteria and clownery without enough evidences.

Frank is an asshole fuck you

It's your store same gear pharmacom even if Darius is a reseller it means he buys in bulk from you guys

I bet if the new tests Darius is doing with some wkm come back Good you'll jump on that band wagon

You don't test your raws your an asshole and if you bad mouth meso over at evo it's discrediting you because they have lurkers here who come looking at whole truth

And that video of mass production is in China soooo your gear is from China dumb fuck

I don`t care what you think. Go and learn good manners before you try to address me again. Are you stupid or just pretending to be? I never denied that our production is in China as well as raws.

IW, we oftentimes have the same opinions on such matters.


I understand the argument of two blood tests, from not-so-reputable members (especially when they're almost at the same time), not holding too much water. But, as @flenser stated the labmaxes coincided directly with the results we're seeing. It becomes more indicative that @mercury was correct when he said the minimal glow implied minimal active hormone.


Of course the __X rule doesn't always apply, as we have learned from bloods from pharma test. But, 3.5x is awfully low.


I truly hope these two bloods are flukes. But, hope doesn't really mean anything.

Labmax is not a proven test, it can show sometimes good, sometimes bad, depending on byproducts, some other factors I am not aware of, cause never worked with it and do not have a chemical education. Also there is another reason, why I am sceptic about labmax. However I will not speak about it, think whatever you want. Considering unproven blood results as well as labmax and spectrometry of the same vials I do not see any reasons for consideration our products as bunk. It is a mistake.

Frank no on said u underdosed it on purpose but u said u test every bath before it goes out wich is not the case... Also the results are a little blurry but we all know u can make out the number next to testisterone... So stop saying that...

How tired I am… I have never said I am testing these raws. I said people who work in our production team and have an eye on it test raws. Your statement is idle and unfounded. You don`t know this and cannot know this. As well as do not some other things which most of members on this board don`t know. Crowd rules again.

UOTE="jabrel3, post: 1309820, member: 28803"]Frank should donate to Millard's testing program! Lol[/QUOTE]

Field me in please, never heard of it.

I haven't done bloods on any other gear. I just know how I'm supposed to feel when the gear is working according to my dosage


WP, I also hope the two tests were flukes. Believe me when I say I have some money invested in Pharmacom but I doubt they are flukes. I've been around this forum for awhile and have read and read and read. It's always the same pattern, the next new guy here selling that has the best stuff ever usually turns out to be full of crap. Either they start out good and go south or the marketing and hype they put out gets everyones mouth watering and they jump in blindly. I myself have been guilty of that.

Question, in your opinion, what does it take to be taken off your not-so-reputable member list? Sure would like to know.

As for the other not-so-reputable member who posted his Test E bloods, I have no idea who he is. I posted bloods because I've taken abuse for claiming bunk gear from some biggies selling here based on my experience, which I have plenty of. How experienced are you? How long have you been around here? Are you one of the "Reputable Guys?"

I am starting to feel you're riding both sides of the fence. People can take of leave the info I have provided with my blood work, it's up to them.

As far as Frank goes, I really had no opinion of him until I read how he was bashing us at Meso on another board. Fuck Frank, he really is an idiot.

I can only repeat my question, how many sources have you seen standing up and only developing within 10 years? Do you really seriously think I would start conquering American and worldwide market sending from the very beginning bunk gear? For heaven’s sake, don`t be so naïve please and think wider.

not sure if should wait on bloods. just started second bottle of sus300 the viscosity is way thinner even though i got it at the same time. I remember he had some problems with his first shipper getting drunk and putting labels on bad. my first bottle had an S with a sharpie on the bottom and this one did not. im sure it was there to remind them which labels to put on what bottle so maybe this bottle was something else. now i thinkk i should wait a few weeks so i dont get reading of old bottle.

Don`t try to guess about things you are not aware of and which are better not to diccuss here at all. All vials coming from our store can not be mislabeled.

600 per week.

I keep wondering why they would underdose dbol as I doubt that the raw is the most significant cost in it's production. Only reason I can think of is lack of QC at the factory which could be worse than just underdosing.

I asked this question, still did not get any reply. In such items raws is the minimal part of the price and it makes no sense at all to underdose something here. Also explain me please for god`s sake how do you imaging this process? Underdosing of products. I can imagine how it can be done with small home brewers. Explain me please how the hell shall it look in industrial scale?!!! One batch includes thousands of vials. All are filled continuously trough special filling lances. Oil is supplied from the same vessel. The only filling which can ended here is how many ml to add into vials. Concentration of raws in a huge tank with hundreds liters is constant and equal in all vials in the same batch. This means if you have sust 300 for example and say it is underdosed it means all susts from the same batch are underdosed. That is why I always ask to show photos. If I would see on some photo absolutely different results but batch is the same, there are only 3 options possible: las test mistake, shall be redone. One of two is a liar. 3. Some occasional/ individually peculiarities which really occur from time to time like that thing with absolutely different british dragon test p results I experienced. If our gear was underdosed there would be thousands of bad reviews an all possible boards, considering how long we are in the market. I wonder how no one bullhead thinking to be smarter as other can`t understand it. Thousands of bad reviews would be guaranteed on all over the boards. I doubt I would be able to conclude today a $500k bargain with our new big supplier for one of Asia regions, which checked our gear very carefully before to wire money. As well as all resellers check, but and stay, even complaining that our bulk prices are too high. Where is a point to buy gear with expensive bulk prices if there are lot of other options with much lower prices?

Yeah, this'll be my first Eq experience.

I have 12 grams of pharmacom Eq from basic stero. Was going to run it @ 600mg/wk for 14-16 weeks. Now, since I'll have to increase it to 900mg to compensate for underdosed BS, I'm limited to 13 weeks. Hopefully, I pray, I can at least get a reasonable Eq experience from 900mg.

I never tried eq myself, so don`t know how it works, but it is also a pretty weak drug. I don’t use it and always recommend not to use it at all. Clinical researches on rabbits showed irreversible changes in testicles tissue, sperm mutations and possibility of inborn defects at babies conceived after using it.

Frank is still at it over at Evo. Some guy posted a warning about the low bloods and Frank jumped all over him.


Highly doubt anything will happen with him apologizing, compensating and a "serious internal investigation."


Here's how I imagine that investigation going down:


Frank: Hey we is getting some bloodworks back from some customers thats complaining abouts underdoses.

Lab Tech: No, everything is fine, see we have cool videos and pictures of testing equipments

Frank: Are you sure? They seems really mad.

Lab tech: Of course! (Wipes dirt and soy sauce off of testing equipment, spilling sauce everywhere) See, we have great testing here! (Gives Frank a copy of a test showing 99.5% purity)

Frank: (Posts it to Meso) See everyone, your bloodworks is wrong! Everything is 99.5% pure!

Meso Members: Uh...yeah, this says 99.5% pure but it says it was a test done on soy sauce. See it even says so right here.

Frank: No, that is blurry, I can'ts read it so it is not correct. Ihate you alls! You are dirty board!

Yes jumped, and did absolutely correct by sending him back to his boss to work off the money he received in some other place.

Very funny, you raised my mood. Thanks! I very like your version!

I made a account on Evo to kinda hover around and read what is going on. Looks like they are buying the story over there. They do have members there getting bloods done. Now how much u can read into that who knows. He has some bloods over there but I don't understand any of it. Its russian i belive. For all I know that could be a pregnancy test for his old lady. So many post by members on Evo that have less than 3 months time. That scares me to death. Any good scamer will hang around for 3-6 months till shit hits the fan then run. No scammers hang around 18 months with same user name. They will have had the name tarnished by then. That is why I became member here. So many well known that have some time in. That is always a good sign.

That are examples of correctly done bloods as compared against all bloods I have seen here. And explanation in English for them. I do not see any sense to publish that bloods there. Possible backreaction to them here is absolutely predictable… Hower, why predictable, it is clearly readable above. Wanted to say I would prefer safe my time, but rolled over the entire text typed…and not have the heart to say this. Seems like a good bargain motivated me today. Will see for how long.

pharmacom has been around for many many years...I'm quite sure they wont run anywhere...

This is the first post from all I replied today, which I completely agree with.

Food for thought here. I know some will put me on blast for saying this. Just my 2 cent worth. We have seen some bloods. Yes numbers not good at all that is a fact. We will have more coming in. I wonder if the test was from same batch. Made from same raws. Yes he did say they test it all. I doubt that highly. Now let's say that the raw was the problem. They didn't test it so that is on them. I will say a while back a group of us got some from a private source. 2 of the guys were twins. They both did bloods at same time. They were sharing from the same vial. Both inject in there thigh. One guy had 6x the other just a hair over 4x. Same gear same vial like I said. Now why such diff results. Looking back guy with lower results was a bit more fat. The needle in my opinion was to damn short. I believe he wasn't getting a good absorb. Think he was getting some in fat more than deep in the muscle. More of a pin error I think. I had better gains than both of them. I did in my arse. Had a needle long enough to go out other side nearly. I did not get mid cycle bloods. So no idea what kinda "X" I was getting. Back to the raw now. So say it was a bad raw they didn't test. Pharma finds this out then try to make it right. With the fast blast response that was given. No way in hell I see them making it right with peeps on here. That bridge was burned down with no one looking back. I wish it hadn't gone down that way. I would have liked to see a little bit more time go by before the uproar. The end result of the gear quality would not be any diff for what was already sold. Just maybe there could have been some sort of effort. In making things right to those how got the gear. Of course if all was bunk on purpose. The result of no one buying from them again would all be the same. Don't matter if a UGL or private source there is always at some point a fuk up with gear. I'm going to stay on positive side of things. Give the benefit of doubt. I will not order from them unless I see a wave of good test come through. I would assume they still want to make money. Now if that is a shady way of making money who knows. I would like much more info regarding the whole situation. Obviously like I said the bridge is gone and not going to be rebuilt. I just feel for those that made purchase on the Pharma.

Thanks for your post. It has some grains. But you could buy a vials of test anonymously and contribute to the clarifying the entire situation. Once I have already mentioned that I would be even compensate blood work expenses after they are already done and independent on results but it looks like this ideas hasn`t been accepted . Even twice. Ok, I will not repeat this mistake for the third time.

My guess is Pharmacom is the victim of poor raws. They are clearly NOT testing every batch of raws. I say this not because of the test results but because this company is clearly very good at marketing themselves.

Nope, we have one and the same supplier for the main an most popular drugs all 9 years and it did not snand up us yet. There were some problems with some not very popular items, but not with gear.

I say this not because of the test results but because this company is clearly very good at marketing themselves.

Wow, at least somewhere I am good. Thank you, lots of ideas are mine.

What better way to back up your impressive production facility videos than to post the mass specs of each batch right on their website beside the product. They had already set the stage that they were different than other UGL's and the marketing minds would have known putting the mass specs for each batch right beside the product for sale would have put them over the top. Not only would sales have gone through the roof but they could have charged an even higher premium per vial which adds to the profit margin.

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Wow again, bro are you sure you are not working at Pharmacom?...

There are only two reasons why they wouldn't be posting mass specs in this manner. One being they aren't testing every batch of raws therefore they don't have the mass specs to post and two being they are doing the tests and some of the results aren't up to par so they can't post them.

Or not… It looks like I was too hurry with conclusions… You messed up the the continuation, bro. It sounds as a surprise for you, but we have them. Not mass specs, much better, HLPCs. But why to post them here? They are in chinese. You would understand less as in Russian blood works. My old wife will not be able to cope with this…

So has Frank left the building? He's mighty quiet for a guy that usually has so much to say

Ahahahahaha, LMFAO… Bro, I don`t now if you will ever read this, but I have a biiig… or better to say a looooooooong surprise for you! LMFAO

While all of that may be true, it's no excuse for @Pharmacom Labs to respond the way he did.


A simple professional response like "hey guys, this is a surprise. I don't know what's going on but I'll find out and get back to you all as soon as I find out, please give me a couple days" and then actually following up on that would have been appropriate.


Instead, he went the other way, said this board was "dirty" (whatever that means), accused members of possibly faking blood results, claimed that there are "slipper cells" (again, whatever that means), said that the blood work results were too blurry to read (we could all read them), etc.


For someone who claims to have been in this game as long as he does, he's clearly shown he's a total amateur and has no idea how to run a business, even if it is an illegal one.

Actually my very first response was similar to this. Looks like some misunderstanding… in languages or don`t know. I said about the board dirty only in latest time after everyone who only wanted insulted me without having any reason for that. Faking… possibly… I don`t exclude this opportunity. Not to trust is my job I have already said this. If you require from me as much why shall I not require the same from you. If you provide some graph and I do not know at all how and as per which procedure it has been acquired. Yes, I think still now that a test could be done not properly. You required from me info, preparation description or what there… I forgot already, so why shall I not require this. Equality.

Slipper cells, exactly, new accounts registered only with a purpose to smirch somedoby by publish some bad thinks, blood works for example. After unknown drugs. No photos. No order numbers. Nothing. How do I know that my item was tested and not some else. As well as such persons try to find out paypal info and after I get a bunch of problems with it. Now it is absolutely clear for me that this is a war of other sources against us. And it will be more difficult to understand where is what. And results were indeed to blurry. I absolutely kindly and politely asked to provide me a photo with a better quality. After printing it would be not seen anything at all. However I could not understand even the screenshot considering that I Don`t know what which abbreviation means and have to translate it. Was it on the earth so difficult?

Say this to my boss, which offered me… I can not speak about it. Yea, so many limits, it`s a pity. If you really think that I do business like this here… I just have nothing to say. You absolutely don`t know me. Think whatever you wants. You will have exactly the same attitude from me as I have here from you. Business has nothing with it. And why shall I answer – this is surprise, etc., if I have files with results confirming that our test, bold, dbol, etc. are of high quality? I know our specialist and how smart he is. Here I do not know anybody. Plus my job is not to trust until something is proven. If I said something like hey guys, this is a surprise. I don't know what's going on but I'll find out and get back to you all as soon as I find out, etc… it would be a full lie. If you wanna be politely fooled, this is not to me, sorry. I had nothing to check, I have all checks on hands, HLPCs. What could I do? Come and say: hey man, someone told on a board about which existence you have even no notion at all, that our gear is bunk. I absolutely don`t have any notion, who is he, but it looks like I believe more to him as to you. Do you imagine how stupid is it?!! Why the hell do you think I asked for detailed spectrometry result and procedure description? Probably just to have a fun it it… I just can`t believe people be as hard… it looks like different world view and even simply logic is absolutely different… D

Guys I believe here there is a mass hysteria atm!


I don't know about the rest of the compounds but I got 8 box of var from basicstero, 5 different ppl running them, and all reported an increase in strenght and leaning out especially on the abdomen. All the var here passed LM as well.


What do you expect from var? Have you ever run VAR? 100mg ed var? LOL

I have problem in believing sources 99% of the time, but I sure do have some problem to believe some of you guys.


The anavar I bought was on 3 different occasion, so unless they like me and send only to me good stuff, here there are ppl that first don't know what a compound should do and second probably never even run that compound, so they just think it's magic pills and make you shoot unicorns from the ass and be the hulk in a bunch of days.


I really find hard to believe the review of some ppl here. I'm not justifying frank behaviour or saying that pharmacom is g2g, far from it.


But sure as hell I feel that few review here are a bit... strange.

Mass hysteria is mildly put to describe this. This is absolutely neglect from a crowd caused by a couple of people and mistakes. How only people can let to rule themselves. Now I understand why a mass media can be a real weapon.

Alright guys i got my test results back finally.

So after pinning 300mg x 2 every week of sus 300 for 6 weeks my numbers are as follows.

Free test 1081.7 and total was 4024 ngdl i had blood drawn exactly 36 hr after last pin. Anyway I'm

not that disappointed i gained about 18lbs pretty good strength gains overall I'm satisfied.


Also i know sus is a tricky compound to test and its hard to nail down correct protocol but i went with what Dr jim told me which was 36 hr after last pin.

Mate, sorry, you can not to like my for this, many people don`t like straight and honest people preferring to be arounded by polite llie. As statistic shows every person uses lie every day lot of times. Even in small things… Well…it was a digression. Well, sorry, but this is my personal opinion. I apologies, if I missed something, but I comment only what I see. 18 lbs for 6 weeks on 600 mg sust only? I can hardly believe into this, unless the half or more from it is water or this was one of your first cycles. Or has something been used else? This is very important to know. And where is some other data? Vial photoбифеср code, Total weight, height, BMI, fat percent. It has been already said, fat percent has a crucial role to test efficiency, results and its aromatization. Ok… my omission. I am new here and you are a trusted member, you don`t have to publish anything at all, so thanks for your contribution in any way, but I just can`t understand how you all are estimating gear with such approcah. On our boards I just got used to see much more detailed reviews. Just my personal and founded opinion.

Why should we trust anything coming from China when 50 percent of their children's toys contain poisons?

http://www.poisonedpets.com/half-toys-tested-china-contain-toxins-posing-danger-children-pets/

And these toys are legal!

Active link. Rules violation. If you look only negative I am sure I could spend a day and fine enough negative facts about any country. China actually has as well own pharmacy and government standards which are very strict. It is as minimum not reasonable to compare toys made don`t know where and medical compounds, which are under control. I mean at least our supplier which we use all 10 years.

If you cares so much about it you will have to reject to use any UGL cause virtually all raws for any UGL is produced there.

Up to 150mg of Tren ace everyday and I only get rusty urine in the morning. Sleeping fine, no night sweats really. I'm pissed, guaranteed there's hardly any Tren in here at all.

My reply will be short, please give order number, photo, where everyone can see a batch and send it to a lab I gave links above or any other official lab. I reimburse expenses.

That much tren should have brought you to your knees!!!

Exactly. Deadlift.I was not able to do already a third set on 100 mg daily + 100 mg masterone + 100 mg test prop. with my weight 114 kg and 21% fat.

I got some NPP, Test E, Pharmaoxy 50, Dbol, Tbol, and some Proviron...

Finally… last post… I have checked all your orders… However I even hadn`t to do it. We and our supplier has no raws for oxy at all and already pretty long time. How you could buy it excuse me? You also haven`t ordered dbol…


Finally finished. Not bad, 19 A4 pages in Mword… Cool! Let`s see who will be able to read it throughout…

upd. published... looks too short. in mword it seemed to be much longer. shall urgently add 19 pages more... I even deleted 2 o-letters from the word long - somewhere in the middle of the text...

 

[Mr.B66]

Sorry Frank but i have no idea what your saying, im sure its a language barrier that we're dealing with. Im not sure what you mean by this is a digression, but hers answers to some of your questions
First of all i started this cycle after 7 months of being completely shut down after a long cycle, i had test levels of 46ng/dl and i lost a lot of muscle during that time about 11lbs which might not sound like much but i was pretty lean about 10% body fat so it was all muscle. So not only did i gain back the weight i lost but an additional 7 lbs and i leaned up a bit. So yes a lot of the weight i gained was re acquired muscle. Also i was running pharmacom npp at 100 mg eod.
My height is 5'9 starting weight was 184 and 15% bf rt now im 202-204 lbs depending when i weigh myself and my bf is 12% and this is not my first cycle, in fact i have no idea how many ive ran ill just say more than 20.
Im a little confused as it seems like you are challenging me on my results, when in fact i thought you would be happy that someone had really good results. But maybe im mis-understanding you.

 

[Mr.B66]

Mr B66 and you ordered from Frank?

Yes i did.

 

[ShredMN]

@Pharmacom Labs
Fuck you, Frank. There's no reason to send your Tren into a lab, it sucks dick at 150mg/Ed, I don't need a lab to tell me how trash your gear is, my personal experience is more than enough. Get the fuck off this board, you are not welcome here.

 

[johnnyrotten94]

I didn't order the Pharmaoxy or Dbol from you Frank, my fault. But they are Pharmacom products...thank you.

 

[pumpingiron22]

I does not matter what vendor its still the same label bunk is bunk.

 

[Ozzy619]

@Pharmacom Labs
Fuck you, Frank. There's no reason to send your Tren into a lab, it sucks dick at 150mg/Ed, I don't need a lab to tell me how trash your gear is, my personal experience is more than enough. Get the fuck off this board, you are not welcome here.

150Mgs ed, must be severely underdosed to say the least. I dodged a bullet on this one. Sorry for the loss man.

 

[Eloquence]

Wow. he makes some points.

But frank you have to understand we get raped here by every source, so we leave the burden of proof on you To exonerate your product.

We understand you've been in business for 10 years, but we care more about the truth.

The bottom line is, if the bloods stay high there will be no problems.

 

[Mr.B66]

Hey guys i also want to say i gained 18lbs after 8 1/2 weeks on i had bloods drawn at 61/2 and it took 2 weeks to get my results back. So when i posted yesterday that was what i had gained up to this point.
Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[jeetsun]

I thought about giving pharmacom a shot, but I keep seeing consistently negative reviews on severely underdosed or plain bunk gear.. What a shocker..

 

[brandon706]

Well I can honestly say the three vials I purchased was bunk, almost 6 weeks in and my test levels wasn't even close to 2000 at 600 mgs a week,

 

[Nitrobuste]

Wow. 10 years in business ? Guys, we must be wrong. Their gear cant be bunk.

I think 150mg tren and 150mg dbol is just not enough to let me fell anything. I must be hulk.

 

[Mofotyler]

you know what if I had some of the pharam test or tren I would take him up on the offer. I don't think the case could be anymore cut and dry. If the lab came back good then some people will get caught in a lie. If results come back bad then pharma cant say shit anymore and case closed.

 

[Nitrobuste]

@Pharmacom Labs

Send money to your lab and im more than willed to send them a vial of your bunk tren on my costs.

 

[RF1]

@Pharmacom Labs

Send money to your lab and im more than willed to send them a vial of your bunk tren on my costs.

That's a fair deal would settle the matter for everyone.