DeM0NiCs
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Taking 100mg a day of what the hell is it than? That was the mind fuck for me...
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jeetsun
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Lol, can't argue with that test, taking dbol at 100mg ed and still nothing=shit. Yet Frank will argue that he doesn't trust anyone's collective feedback.
bigdeee973
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@DeM0NiCs that's the scary part..who the fuck knows..maybe just pink filler or something lol
DeM0NiCs
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It would be nice if Frank would at least acknowledge that the dbol has come into question by many members and that he would look into the problem run some tests and get back to us. You know handle the situation like an adult. I believe he even said all of us claiming this about dbol knew nothing about cycling or that this was our first cycle lol I've been at this for a decade...
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Why would anyone spend $200.00+ on testing what was probably $100.00 worth of Dbol.
I'm not slamming you but your idea on sending in gear from your own personal stash to get tested is not realistic. If I'm doing a cycle with 3 different compounds then it's going to be $600.00 + to get them tested which is probably what I spent on the cycle and if I send an oil in then I'm out those vials. What your suggesting is the best thing to do for safety and to know your getting truthful results but it's not even close to realistic not to mention the time frame of sending them in waiting for them to do the test and then waiting for the results. Your not being reasonable with your idea.
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Why would anyone spend $200.00+ on testing what was probably $100.00 worth of Dbol.
I'm not slamming you but your idea on sending in gear from your own personal stash to get tested is not realistic. If I'm doing a cycle with 3 different compounds then it's going to be $600.00 + to get them tested which is probably what I spent on the cycle and if I send an oil in then I'm out those vials. What your suggesting is the best thing to do for safety and to know your getting truthful results but it's not even close to realistic not to mention the time frame of sending them in waiting for them to do the test and then waiting for the results. Your not being reasonable with your idea.
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I agree , with all the complaints about the d-bol, if i were frank i would send that shit out to be tested myself and find out if what i was selling was bunk.
The funny thing is i can buy some d-bol rt from a dude at my gym that is so strong that i rarely meet someone that can handle 50 mg a day. Most take 25mg and fucking blow up.
Is he replacing orders???
And you believe the mods wouldn't accept "donations" to promote some more than others?
More or less, love it or hate it, we have developed a certain practice for dealing with sources here. It isn't perfect, I don't think it can be. But, I genuinely believe we have, as a group, saved members from wasting money or being hurt.
Probably corn starch or whey
Mailin
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--- Spend it because it is bunk, and you will be reimbursed for it? Then save every other member the money and hassle of taking bunk gear? On top of the safety reasons behind it.
--- I would hope that they would have some type of integrity, to not fck over thousands of members. On top of that, the "approval to sell" would come only after an independent study would show test. Test that should be done quarterly. In an ideal online gear based society
If only.... But you and I both know it cannot work like that, or else it would've been done already.--- Spend it because it is bunk, and you will be reimbursed for it? Then save every other member the money and hassle of taking bunk gear? On top of the safety reasons behind it.
--- I would hope that they would have some type of integrity, to not fck over thousands of members. On top of that, the "approval to sell" would come only after an independent study would show test. Test that should be done quarterly. In an ideal online gear based society
The best case scenario, for the cards we're dealt in this game, is what we have built. We have members who are willing to get bloods, mass specs and labmaxes on gear they know nothing about. We all take a risk, it is those members who help mitigate risks for all of us. The sources who encourage and fund these tests are ideal to me. Anaboliclab is another resource that will be helpful, but it will take a lot of time. For now, we are forced to use our intuition, other opinions and a lot of luck when it comes to ordering.
In all honesty, if that's not for you, maybe this lifestyle isn't either.
Mailin
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--- Lifestyle isn't for me? I personally do not have a cash flow issue and I would have no issue putting money out of pocket for testing, and verification (as this is what I am doing myself and purchased extra gear for testing). If I was part of this bunk gear issue, I would have sent that shit out straight away. Then the last 90 pages could have been avoided, maybe one of the current main issues is the people not "able" to get test done.
Just because there is no quality standard in place by the forum members or moderators, doesn't mean that reform can't happen... Or shouldn't happen. People in place, that have the power to make changes simply do not have the knowledge on how to proceed or they have no inhibition for change itself.
You could literally set up an almost hands free process to kickststart a weeding out program, with a few hours of coding.
Maybe it's just my optimistic personality that has me drunk on a false reality, but either way... growing tiresome. I am in no position of power to start change, so my knowledge of coding or anything else means nothing.
Fck it though, we will bitch at 'X' since 'Y' is either too lazy, too busy, or too poor to get a test done in order for 'X' to admit there is an issue.
I reiterate, this subject is beat and null if nobody is willing to make sacrifices in order to prevent Franks defensive TLDR broken English rants.
You are certainly in the minority with your alleged infinite free capital.
If that is the case, I encourage you to consider spending this capital in a philanthropic way and donating to Anaboliclab. They are attempting to put together a version of what you are proposing. Random and independent testing is really all we can do. It would be impossible to test ever batch of gear made by every source who wants to sell here.
You're talking about limiting what sources can and cannot sell here, then. Right away that makes this a censored board, which it is not. We cannot have our cake and eat it too, always.
What prevents your UGL from sending a good vial to the testing program, and bunk oil to the consumers (especially if it's unknown members)? Nothing. Selecting scamming has been a thing in the past, and I'm sure it will be in the future.
I wish we could live in a world where your gear utopia was feasible, I do. But, your best option is to order raws, test them yourself and brew your own gear.
You X and Y example is not so strong when some sources are willing to pay for the purchaser to get the gear tested. After they have sent and received the gear, mind you.
The only way to be 'random' with this testing is for the source to NOT know the gear will be tested before sending. That's what Anaboliclab did, and the results were beyond surprising.
This talks the talks but definitely doesn't walk the walk
Brothers have been testing shit with Darius it came back so so if I'm correct dbol came back shit
Again it's not the.members place to pay and get shit tested on that level
At least lab max just to make sure
but why pay for a cycle ($600-$1000) then pay for extra to be tested ($200 if that) then pay to get it tested (1000-don't know exact amount)
All that and hope it's good gear and if not you lost all that money and time
Brothers have been testing shit with Darius it came back so so if I'm correct dbol came back shit
Again it's not the.members place to pay and get shit tested on that level
At least lab max just to make sure
but why pay for a cycle ($600-$1000) then pay for extra to be tested ($200 if that) then pay to get it tested (1000-don't know exact amount)
All that and hope it's good gear and if not you lost all that money and time
It seems pretty fucking crazy that pharmacom has screwed up dbol. We had a shady source here earlier in the year or maybe last that had dbol powder far better and he took the money and ran...but his dbol was fire for a minute at least, so we know good product is out there to be had. I think it comes back to their lack of testing themselves. If they aren't spot testing their own shit then it is truly a crap shoot. By the time we get anything tested that batch is in the past and is rather pointless for people going forward.
The money wasted on bad cycles is one thing, but wasted time, added risk, and safety are a few others i see as more important. Who wants to throw down 500 bucks to get a cycle that peaks at 2500 and includes contaminants? I don't think the way we are doing things is helping much. The way things are set up is completely reactive and too slow. The way i see it the risk to reward ratio is skewed to a bad extreme currently. We seem to catch bad gear eventually, but well after a ugl has made money hand over fist and screwed over a boatload of people.
The money wasted on bad cycles is one thing, but wasted time, added risk, and safety are a few others i see as more important. Who wants to throw down 500 bucks to get a cycle that peaks at 2500 and includes contaminants? I don't think the way we are doing things is helping much. The way things are set up is completely reactive and too slow. The way i see it the risk to reward ratio is skewed to a bad extreme currently. We seem to catch bad gear eventually, but well after a ugl has made money hand over fist and screwed over a boatload of people.
The frustration is understandable, but what's a better solution? I can only foresee a reactionary solution, very difficult to be proactive here.
Darius paid for the testing... So, that's a plus.
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