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[DTdr2]

Thanks brother. I'm starting a cycle soon and I wanted to know if I should get different dbol cause I'm not ruining my cycle with that shit.

C'mon, really [emoji6] We are told that Pharmacon are experts in the production, and manufacturing of quality AAS, and as proof offer countless production pics/videos. They would never, and could never make a mistake, or so we've been told.

So my question to Pharmacon is this, how in the hell did so many people get BUNK dbol? Both you, and Darius sold the shit. Darius at least reinbursed with winny.

 

[manafest]

C'mon, really [emoji6] We are told that Pharmacon are experts in the production, and manufacturing of quality AAS, and as proof offer countless production pics/videos. They would never, and could never make a mistake, or so we've been told.

So my question to Pharmacon is this, how in the hell did so many people get BUNK dbol? Both you, and Darius sold the shit. Darius at least reinbursed with winny.

They could say...has anyone had concrete evidence such as testing to say it was bunk? No fight in this but if everyone just spews bunk bunk bunk with no factful proof then this is what you get... a toss up between the seller and the buyer....

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

I'd at least lab max it. You never know.

I'm not a fan of labmax. It only shows the presence of hormone not the amount. This next cycle is important and I don't want underdosed. So many including @DeM0NiCs are running 100mgs and still not feeling it. Sorry but I've done enough dbol to know that 50mgs of good dbol gives you pumps that are painful. I'll try another source.

 

[DeM0NiCs]

For anyone who has ran real dbol (BTW I have) its pretty easy to tell its bunk when after 3 weeks on it you have no strength gain, bloat or enhanced mood especially when I know I'm on the way to the gym I would just about have an orgasm on the real dbol I was so fired up. Non of these did I experience with the pharmacom line. Obviously something is up.

 

[brutus79]

I'm not a fan of labmax. It only shows the presence of hormone not the amount. This next cycle is important and I don't want underdosed. So many including @DeM0NiCs are running 100mgs and still not feeling it. Sorry but I've done enough dbol to know that 50mgs of good dbol gives you pumps that are painful. I'll try another source.

25mg of properly dosed dbol is more than enough... that shit comes (came) in 5 mg pills for a reason!

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

I'M SO FUCKING TIRED OF THIS UGL BULLSHIT!!!!! I lost my local connection about 4 years ago and now planning a good cycle is fucking impossible. Maybe some of the compounds are good and the rest is shit or its all underdosed or blah blah blah. If I wanted I could drive downtown and get as much meth, crack, or smack as I want but I can't fucking count on a decent cycle. Mother fucking fuck!!!!

 

[DeM0NiCs]

Agreed its the hardest drug to get quality of now a days and it does the least amount of damage to society. The ocassional asshole like the one In this video gives us all a bad name. BTW planet fitness is for vegan purple hippie people.

 

[PHL Official]

Well the difference with a UGL and pharmaceutical is night and day. If I go to doctor and he gets me test. I go to pharmacy and pick it up. That test I know has gone through a quality control. As well as they test each batch. There are laws in place they have to follow. If I get something mislabeled and have a bad reaction or even death they are held responsible. Then there would be millions of dollars paid in damages. For that reason they make sure what is in the vial is correct. A ugl in the other hand has no governing body. If I get a mislabeled product and all my hair falls out or i die. Nothing will happen no legal actions no lawsuit just nothing.. Might lose customers over it. Then the ugl would just close shop shortly then reopen under another name.

You are right.Generally agree. The only issue is you won`t be able to get at your doctor all stuff you could need to achieve higher goals in sport. UGLs will always exist and customers will use their products. But not all UGLs are equal. I now at least for sure you will never ever catch anything hazardous from Pharmacom gear. And no one ever had any troubles with Pharmacom in this regard.
p.s. Man, if someone died after a pin of a drug he would no longer take care whether a pharmacy is held responsible or not. Big companies have also problems and if something like this happens very lot people are harmed as a rule.

When are you going to make a 20 mg dbol? Or tbol? Or am I dreaming.....

We were not going to produce 20 mg pills.

Pharmacom Labs, is it really so bad in Russia? I had the impression that lots of steroids come from Russia to the neighboring European countries.

Gear is prohibited. You will get in prison for a long time if you sell it within the country and was caught. You have a chance to get in prison if you just cross border of Russia with gear or order gear from abroad. Independent in which purpose you ordered it. Lot of schoolboys order gear directly from Belarus or Moldova and get caught. They even have no slightest notion as a rule that they commit a felony. Most of them get conditional sentence, if it occurs for the first time. But even after this you get difficulties with finding a decent job.
If you ordered gear domestically for personal use, you will be not punished. If you get caught, a very unpleasant conversation with drugs police is still guaranteed. But no punishment in any form. So generally gear for personal usage is... nobody is hunting for athletes now, if they order domestic. All problems appear if you order from abroad or sell gear.

Does the 300/200 promo last for only one week? Ends Sunday 7/19?

maybe we extend. Can`t say now.

No effect at up to 100mg a day I ended up throwing the rest into the garbage where they belongView attachment 27131

C'mon, really [emoji6] We are told that Pharmacon are experts in the production, and manufacturing of quality AAS, and as proof offer countless production pics/videos. They would never, and could never make a mistake, or so we've been told.
So my question to Pharmacon is this, how in the hell did so many people get BUNK dbol? Both you, and Darius sold the shit. Darius at least reinbursed with winny.

Below is reply to these 2 posts.

They could say...has anyone had concrete evidence such as testing to say it was bunk? No fight in this but if everyone just spews bunk bunk bunk with no factful proof then this is what you get... a toss up between the seller and the buyer....

I have told this lot of times. If you in public claim, that gear from our store is bunk or severely underdosed please be so kind to provide documentary reliable proves. Send to Simec, wait for results. I cover expenses.
If you can`t provide any prove, i am absolutely not responsible for your wrong expectations from a drug or your subjective feelings. I had lot of quasi profis across from the display, which accused us without any single evidence, generally based only on how was their feelings and experience with a drug. They all had allegedly 5/10/15 cycles behind. But if we dig up deeper, they proved to have no idea about nutrition, working out, gear math. As well as analyses in some cases showed the opposite.
Official position of Pharmacom is very simple. You can send a request to the official Pharmacom labs email and it will be confirmed as well.
If you claim in public our drug is bunk - provide a verifiable HPLC and i agree it is bank. I cover all expenses for postal services and transport. You lose nothing at all. You have only to send to sample to Simec and wait for result. If it shows it is bunk, i immediately admit this. Only for years nobody of such claimers has provided any single evidence about bunk gear.
The mentioned above does not also mean that I will pay each time, if somebody decides to send a sample in a lab. However for especially tough unbelievers it can be easily organized. This subject is closed for me. I know our gear is not bunk and could not be.

 

[PHL Official]

You said that you and your boss were investigating why your tren tested as 90% in millards test instead of 99% that you claim all your product is tested to be. How did that happen? Also you said that one of your big resellers were conducting testing why haven't you put this up?

i thought i have already replied to this question. there are several reasons, generally three.
1. This is the main one. Oil density/thickness.Several sub-factors here. They all result oil inhomogeneity.
a. oil, in our particular case, grape seed oil is chemically a blend of different fatty acids in different ratio. each of these acids has its own density, which in its turn directly depends on the oil temperature. Respectively raws concentration shall be always calculated for a definite temperature. For example:
Linoleic acid - most presented in grape seed oil. Its density is about 0,903 g/cm3 at 20*C.
Oleic acid its density is about 0.895 g/ml.
There are also several other acids in its composition. Besides fatty acids up to 1,5% of grape seed oil are different steroids and chemical compounds.
b. So, grape-seed oil is not homogenous on itself. In our products we use together with GSO also ethyl-oleate from 5 to 10%. One more compound with another density.
c. i have already mentioned this. any oil has particles of water and shall be dehydrated before we use it. Dehydration directly influences oil density.
2. Raws have different purity. Today it has one, tomorrow another. It is impossible to have always absolutely the same purity. In our agreement with raws supplier tolerances are agreed.
3. A small part of raws kind of burns out during the manufacturing process. The longer is the manufacturing and sterilization procedure the more is influence to raws concentration in the final product.
If home brewers brew steroids these 3 points probably don`t have a significant impact, cause their amounts are not high. But if you have hundreds liters in tank, it influences all factors influence the final concentration and absolutely exact control is not possible.
Generally our acceptable tolerance is plus/minus 5%. But we enhance our equipment to be as close as possible to zero deviation. We start using additional preparation stages/equipment and deviations as we had with our nandrolone deca about 7% will not occur any more.

 

[CdnGuy]

No dog in this debate , but didn't a lot of members receive bunk dbol early in this thread and Darius thread .They shared their experience and granted may have not provided HPLC. But comon its dbol, doesn't take a genius to know if the stuff is working!!!!! So I will trust the members of Meso experiences before the labs rebuttal ! My 2 cents

 

[Mailin]

No dog in this debate , but didn't a lot of members receive bunk dbol early in this thread and Darius thread .They shared their experience and granted may have not provided HPLC. But comon its dbol, doesn't take a genius to know if the stuff is working!!!!! So I will trust the members of Meso experiences before the labs rebuttal ! My 2 cents

--- So if you know it isn't working, why not send it in. Get the negative results back, and get refunded for it all testing, and I'm assuming refund/agreed upon compensation for the gear issue. I saw the post earlier where he says he threw it in the trash... Why!? Literally throwing money away, when the man (is his very very very very long post) is offering options. Which is better than no options/throwing it away.

Use the options that are being made available to you, if Frank then decides to not help you out, not refund you, not replace the gear/refund you, etc... Then hate the man, and discontinue business (as mostly everyone else will too), and shun him from these forums.

I can't vouch for the gear, but I am not backing it in this post either. Just sitting here reading and thought I should express my non biased opinion.

 

[stan24]

--- So if you know it isn't working, why not send it in. Get the negative results back, and get refunded for it all testing, and I'm assuming refund/agreed upon compensation for the gear issue. I saw the post earlier where he says he threw it in the trash... Why!? Literally throwing money away, when the man (is his very very very very long post) is offering options. Which is better than no options/throwing it away.

Use the options that are being made available to you, if Frank then decides to not help you out, not refund you, not replace the gear/refund you, etc... Then hate the man, and discontinue business (as mostly everyone else will too), and shun him from these forums.

I can't vouch for the gear, but I am not backing it in this post either. Just sitting here reading and thought I should express my non biased opinion.

Because we have to pay for the testing and then he would reimburse you after that..... That's not an option for the majority of people

 

[CdnGuy]

--- So if you know it isn't working, why not send it in. Get the negative results back, and get refunded for it all testing, and I'm assuming refund/agreed upon compensation for the gear issue. I saw the post earlier where he says he threw it in the trash... Why!? Literally throwing money away, when the man (is his very very very very long post) is offering options. Which is better than no options/throwing it away.

Use the options that are being made available to you, if Frank then decides to not help you out, not refund you, not replace the gear/refund you, etc... Then hate the man, and discontinue business (as mostly everyone else will too), and shun him from these forums.

I can't vouch for the gear, but I am not backing it in this post either. Just sitting here reading and thought I should express my non biased opinion.

I'm not running any pharmacom gear man...

 

[Sampei]

You send the gear and provide proof of it. I pay the test for you and get reimbursed from Frank later.

Let's cut the head of the bull

I want proof of blister/box originals and bla bla bla.

Do you think is fair?

Again you spend only the postage cost, that will get refunded.
I pay the 250-300$ for the testing.

 

[Mailin]

Because we have to pay for the testing and then he would reimburse you after that..... That's not an option for the majority of people

--- I don't know man, that just sounds like a priority issue then. How much can the testing possibly cost, and if the cost is an actual issue... maybe you should be planning better. If it is bunk, wouldn't you want to fcking know what you are putting into your body!?

People know on this forum that you can not believe anything posted by a UGL about the quality of their gear etc. So why would you go into a cycle (investing money) and then having no money available as your insurance to get your investment corrected.

(any "pronouns" used is not a directed at a specific person - just generalizing)

I'm not running any pharmacom gear man...

--- Yeah I know, wasn't directed at you but the people who you were referring about in your text that were having issues and tossing their gear.

 

[Mailin]

You send the gear and provide proof of it. I pay the test for you and get reimbursed from Frank later.

Let's cut the head of the bull

I want proof of blister/box originals and bla bla bla.

Do you think is fair?

Again you spend only the postage cost, that will get refunded.
I pay the 250-300$ for the testing.

--- Before sending ANYTHING in, I would think Frank would give you all the stipulations/requirements before hand... In order to not fck you over. If he doesn't and then throws the stipulations at you after the testing, he is a piece of shit... Then you make it known publicly and let the forum do the rest.

At least then you know that the reseller is crap, and maybe some of the non broke members could even help you with the cost of non reimbursed test. If someone would send the gear in question in, and save 10, 20+ people in the future the headache... I could only imagine the appreciation would go a long way.

EDIT: Do I think it is fair? If he does it deceivingly, of course not. Do I think you as a human being with a brain can prevent it, yes. If he doesn't tell you the requirements to be reimbursed... Then you simply be sure to ask him yourself.

 

[redrum720]

Hey mailin shut the fuck up it the ugl that has to do the testing
With him say we do the test goes to show you they don't test there product
So I'm going to for a test that they should be doing in the first place then the shit comes back bunk there reply is we don't know if it our product you sent or the test it bullshit and he won't reimburse
Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit it's your job Frank to test your raws and finish product why don't you do it
This fuck doesn't even get business over at outlaw

 

[Mailin]

Hey mailin shut the fuck up it the ugl that has to do the testing
With him say we do the test goes to show you they don't test there product
So I'm going to for a test that they should be doing in the first place then the shit comes back bunk there reply is we don't know if it our product you sent or the test it bullshit and he won't reimburse
Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit it's your job Frank to test your raws and finish product why don't you do it
This fuck doesn't even get business over at outlaw

--- So now apply this logic... We as a forum DO NOT TRUST the UGLs post about their gear, and how legit it is... So why the hell, are you going to trust them to test their gear and then tell us their results... You make no logical sense at all.

To address the beginning of your hostile illiterate post, read the post above that I made an edit to. *nutshell explanation* don't be an idiot and send gear in for testing until Frank tells you exactly what the requirements are to follow in order to be reimbursed.

I am not backing up Frank, or the gear... I am simply not understanding why some of you done did gone full retard.

 

[Mailin]

UPDATE TO MY ORDER WHILE IM AT IT:

I am not happy with Franky myself at the moment. I put an order in on the 30th, and it was paid via paypal the next day. 11 days later, it was never sent out, and the order is gone. Frank couldn't find record of it anywhere etc. (even knowing I have an email with the "order number") So... What the fck ever, I had to reorder. Then he replies back to me that if they do not send it out by Wednesday, they aren't making shipments via .INT and my package won't go out. I replied back stating it was paid for over two weeks ago, the money is out of my account... There is zero reason why this shouldn't be shipped out before the cut off. I also sent him my address to send it to, since my paypal one is incorrect (incorrect address and new address both verified just forgot to switch it to my current house (we shall see in 2weeks ish if I ever get my package - probably wont).

Website now has my order posted, and says shipped. I PMd him 3 days ago and asked for tracking. Hasn't PMd me back with any information about my package, or verified he sent it to the correct address.

I am a level headed, educated person who can apply reason and logic without bias... Even after this fcked up situation I am going through. I have zero reason with the customer service, order placement shit I went through, to back this dude as of now.

 

[CdnGuy]

UPDATE TO MY ORDER WHILE IM AT IT:

I am not happy with Franky myself at the moment. I put an order in on the 30th, and it was paid via paypal the next day. 11 days later, it was never sent out, and the order is gone. Frank couldn't find record of it anywhere etc. (even knowing I have an email with the "order number") So... What the fck ever, I had to reorder. Then he replies back to me that if they do not send it out by Wednesday, they aren't making shipments via .INT and my package won't go out. I replied back stating it was paid for over two weeks ago, the money is out of my account... There is zero reason why this shouldn't be shipped out before the cut off. I also sent him my address to send it to, since my paypal one is incorrect (incorrect address and new address both verified just forgot to switch it to my current house (we shall see in 2weeks ish if I ever get my package - probably wont).

Website now has my order posted, and says shipped. I PMd him 3 days ago and asked for tracking. Hasn't PMd me back with any information about my package, or verified he sent it to the correct address.

I am a level headed, educated person who can apply reason and logic without bias... Even after this fcked up situation I am going through. I have zero reason with the customer service, order placement shit I went through, to back this dude as of now.

Well if you read this whole thread man you'd have seen Fuck head Franks melt down!!!! Guy is a straight up clown. Not saying anything about the gear, just him!!!