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Hopefully the reshipping of a lost package can be as quick and it won't be lost again since holidays are over
Triton_
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kind of amazed how fast you guys are, thanks Frank
For the sake of discussion regarding the 83.5mg/ml Test Prop result posted on the anaboliclab.com site, it was posted in green which indicates a passing result. The World Health Organization standards for the analysis and identification of drugs states that the analyte peak should be identifiable, discrete, and reproducible with a precision of 20% and accuracy of 80-120%. Although the concentration was lower than some other UGLs it's still within acceptable range. For the sake of comparison, look at the result for Novocrine Oxasim with a label claim of 10mg per tab. It failed (results shown in red) even though it was determined to have a content of 14.7mg per tab because it's outside of the acceptable range. I'll never complain over a little extra bang for my buck and value matters when it comes to spending my hard earned cash, but big picture is safety. Just thought it was worth discussing. Here's the link where I got the info from below. Thoughts?
http://apps.who.int/prequal/trainin...009/english/1-4_Analytical_considerations.ppt
http://apps.who.int/prequal/trainin...009/english/1-4_Analytical_considerations.ppt
First off thanks to Frank for his extremely fast shipment from the us sight. And also thanks to Millard for the service he is providing with ALab.
So a couple questions that may have been answered before but I can't seem to find them and I don't really have time to read through over 300 pages on just this thread alone.
When a code is entered from a product the website says "Product with code "XXXXXX" is created by Pharmacom Labs
This code was checked 1 times"
Does this mean that the code is specific to this one bottle and not used on other bottles of the same product?
Also, any reasoning for no codes on orals?
So a couple questions that may have been answered before but I can't seem to find them and I don't really have time to read through over 300 pages on just this thread alone.
When a code is entered from a product the website says "Product with code "XXXXXX" is created by Pharmacom Labs
This code was checked 1 times"
Does this mean that the code is specific to this one bottle and not used on other bottles of the same product?
Also, any reasoning for no codes on orals?
Big Lumber is on the "extra special member" list so your results aren't likely to be as good!
More US sarcasm but truly don't expect international shipping to reach the US in less than 10 days.
Why didn't you use the US sight instead of Int?
Yeabuddyron
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Int is cheaper and you can get the promos.
Seems like all of their test P is underdosed. The amps just have bonus amounts of less hormone.
Cheaper and usually you get it anywhere from 14 -20 days.
fofo
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Think i read it on another thread (darius) that the scratch off codes are unique to that vial.
i got info. Simec can tests mixes. but they can not test masteron. so if we send mix 2 to test completely.
here is what Simec said:
that are raws. it is not possible to test purity of final products.
well... its a good question. Frankly speaking...
em, how to explain... each manufacturer (does not matter of what) tries to reduce production expenses. It`s clear. We do this as well. Chromotography testing is a very expensive procedure. We always test purity of raws. Also we have already confirmed calculations for vials for this purity. I mean we produce vials and have calculations for vials. According to the rules of simple math if no one of variables changes, the final result will be also the same. If we produced once test vials and results were ok, we save exactly these settings for exactly this purity. In this case there will be no need to repeat many tests in future to check dosages. There is no need to test say every 50th vial. It`s a simple math. The only and the most important variable here is the raws purity. Amps are new for us, we have never produced them before. Raws for test p for vials and amps are the same, of the same purity. Having taken this into account we took as basis calculations for vials to produce oil for amps. But technology was different. Also those are in fact first test ampules. It would be stupid to intentionally underdose test p.1kg of test p of a good quality costs about 400$, which means 1 gramm (one vial) is worth 0,4$. Even if we don`t put enough raws into oil, say 20% less, we would save 0,05$. This amount is trifling. We would save 500$ on each 10000 упаковок. This is nothing, absolutely insignificant amount. There is absolutely no sense to intentionally underdose vials. Much more expenses raise from other issues. The main problem of our business is the raws prices, but safe delivery and existense of our company at all. I swear you even don`t imagine how much does it cost for us to keep our factory running and not to attract attention of different legal authorities. Some kitchen brewers can brew gear on kitchen without attention. But if it comes to industrial scale...it is not easy and very very expensive to hide a production facility 3000m2 from differant legal examinations. Another question is safe delivery to our resellers, bulk customers, etc. A lot of people are participating in this, incl. customs and just similar people who risk their asses to earn some means to live. Otherwise we would not be able to organize our domestic stores and distribute Pharmacom worldwide. Not going deep into details this all causes extra 400%-500% to production extenses and our profit for facility employees.
So, as i said, test p is underdosed, yes, and we have enough courage to admit our shortcomings. This is not by intention, this is just a temporary technological issue,which as our production team promissed, will be resolved soonest. As compensation we have temporarly by 50% reduced test p price (even in vials) in our retail store basicstero.net. All prices for amps are also reduced now. As i said we know to admit our issues and ready to bear responsibility for them. If you ordered test p amps in our store, address me and we will compensate it. Also don`t forget that we still provide testing opportunity in Simec and cover all testing expenses. This is the best way to check our products and we are glad to offer it.
By the way, i contacted Simec. We have there discounts if we send atleast 12 samples/month to test. In this case one sample will be worth for us about 190-200 Euro instead of 280-200 EUR. I Asked Simec whether it was possible to organize testing in the following way: we invite customers and ask them to test our products in their lab, provide customers our Paypal address to pay (special paypal address, which we will use only to pay for Simec). So customers would provide this e-mail to Simec, we would receive invoices from Simec and pay. All what customer has to do is to send a sample to Simec. But here is what Simec replied:
We fixed it. Pls try again.
Check codes are individual. This means that exactly your code was checkedonly once, you checked it. If you see something like - This code was check 3 times - this is a reason to concern. It means somebody bought our products and made lot of copies with the same check code.
i just reread and found lot of mistakes. my bad. i just copied my text from a russian board, where anaboliclab reports are also carefully checked, and translated it quickly. however the main idea is clear.
RThoads
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I am confident they will fix the prop amps.
It was green (pass according to the Anaboliclab +/- 20% standards) and so many products have been good that I believe it when Franks says they are trying to be the best large scale source.
I mean, at this stage in the game all the big sources know they will be tested so they stand to lose much more than they would make by under-dosing.
I have been very pleased thus far with the quality.
With all that positive that I said, I will also note that I did notice a difference when I switched my prop from vials to amps (I had some amps from the promo a few months ago). First 6 week using vials I felt great and very little PIP once I got used to things; however, when I switched to the amps I got more PIP (so something was different) and felt a little bit weaker (maybe just from accumulated fatigue from a long run of progressive loading in the big lifts, or maybe the gear was different).
I have sent a couple thing to SIMEC myself and they came back good. My AAS bloods all have come back good. My LabMax have all come back good expect the NPP which we then sent to SIMEC and it was good.
The GH bloods did not come back so good and within a day of posting Frank offer to reimburse me and pay for me to get a second bloodwork but unfortunately I was all out of GH supply -- but what stood out was instead of a debate or excuses he offered to take care of things and even wanted a retest incase there was a error (on his own expense).
Every little question I have had, any help I have needed figuring out BTC, Frank has been awesome working with me and I know at times it has been a lot of questions with the BTC stuff.
That is my honest experience and review; I am not trying to promote (I posted when the GH came back with poor results and I challenged when the LabMax for NPP was unclear which lead to Frank paying for me to send one of my vials to SIMEC) -- take it for what it is worth, but at least he stands behind his product.
It was green (pass according to the Anaboliclab +/- 20% standards) and so many products have been good that I believe it when Franks says they are trying to be the best large scale source.
I mean, at this stage in the game all the big sources know they will be tested so they stand to lose much more than they would make by under-dosing.
I have been very pleased thus far with the quality.
With all that positive that I said, I will also note that I did notice a difference when I switched my prop from vials to amps (I had some amps from the promo a few months ago). First 6 week using vials I felt great and very little PIP once I got used to things; however, when I switched to the amps I got more PIP (so something was different) and felt a little bit weaker (maybe just from accumulated fatigue from a long run of progressive loading in the big lifts, or maybe the gear was different).
I have sent a couple thing to SIMEC myself and they came back good. My AAS bloods all have come back good. My LabMax have all come back good expect the NPP which we then sent to SIMEC and it was good.
The GH bloods did not come back so good and within a day of posting Frank offer to reimburse me and pay for me to get a second bloodwork but unfortunately I was all out of GH supply -- but what stood out was instead of a debate or excuses he offered to take care of things and even wanted a retest incase there was a error (on his own expense).
Every little question I have had, any help I have needed figuring out BTC, Frank has been awesome working with me and I know at times it has been a lot of questions with the BTC stuff.
That is my honest experience and review; I am not trying to promote (I posted when the GH came back with poor results and I challenged when the LabMax for NPP was unclear which lead to Frank paying for me to send one of my vials to SIMEC) -- take it for what it is worth, but at least he stands behind his product.
I agree 100% RT Frank is a man of his word and he obviously has great confidence in his product, proven by his willingness to pay for testing of his products.
And because of this i will be sending in the sus 500 and mix1 to be tested. I have been very happy with both products, but lets c what the numbers say, i think the community would be interested, i know i am.
Thank you Frank[emoji4]
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