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[RThoads]

So all i need now is info on how to get the ball rolling. @RThoads if you could post that info it would be much appreciated by myself and others wanting to do the same.

Here is how I successfully used SIMEC's services to test my AAS samples:
Sending to Simec basically comes down to mailing out a sample and wiring the fees.

However, you need a few more things to consider:
1) I contacted them using the general contact email on the Simec website and explained I did not know German -- I was contacted back in English.
Here is the website: www.simec.ch/
Here is the contact email from their website: info@simec.ch

2) I had to use my real full name, I tried to use my online nickname but that was rejected and it was explained to me that they require a real name and address.

3) You will be mailing a package that needs to pass out-going customs so you are taking a little risk but I assume you are very experienced with opening packages so you should know how to pack something correctly to pass. My biggest worry was at the post-office; they asked what are the contents and needed to enter it into a record--I said it was an analytic sample (worth less than $5) for a new product I am working on with my partners in the EU (I gave no other details -- only said under $5 value to avoid issues, and answered "no" to all the specific questions such as "is it perfume" or "is in toxic and need special handling").

4) Your package also needs to pass Swiss custom and to do so make sure you print these forms out and include them in the package (you need all 3):
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 11.2014
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 03.2015
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 07.2015

5) Next you need to send funds; you will have to use your real name and info because this is a legit real business that keeps records and accounting etc. Keep in mind, these items are NOT illegal in Switzerland.

6) I made sure to take a lot of good pictures of the packing process, actually had my GF vid it also, in case anyone, internet idiots/bashers, try to claim some bullshit -- while it does not prove anything 100% it at least shows I did everything possible to be open and prove I did send the real item I claimed.

7) Costs (approximately October 2015) came to about $360 USD total for my sample which was to test the presence of one specific compound and test the concentration of that compound.

hope all that helps everyone.

 

[Mr.B66]

Here is how I successfully used SIMEC's services to test my AAS samples:
Sending to Simec basically comes down to mailing out a sample and wiring the fees.

However, you need a few more things to consider:
1) I contacted them using the general contact email on the Simec website and explained I did not know German -- I was contacted back in English.
Here is the website: www.simec.ch/
Here is the contact email from their website: info@simec.ch

2) I had to use my real full name, I tried to use my online nickname but that was rejected and it was explained to me that they require a real name and address.

3) You will be mailing a package that needs to pass out-going customs so you are taking a little risk but I assume you are very experienced with opening packages so you should know how to pack something correctly to pass. My biggest worry was at the post-office; they asked what are the contents and needed to enter it into a record--I said it was an analytic sample (worth less than $5) for a new product I am working on with my partners in the EU (I gave no other details -- only said under $5 value to avoid issues, and answered "no" to all the specific questions such as "is it perfume" or "is in toxic and need special handling").

4) Your package also needs to pass Swiss custom and to do so make sure you print these forms out and include them in the package (you need all 3):
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 11.2014
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 03.2015
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 07.2015

5) Next you need to send funds; you will have to use your real name and info because this is a legit real business that keeps records and accounting etc. Keep in mind, these items are NOT illegal in Switzerland.

6) I made sure to take a lot of good pictures of the packing process, actually had my GF vid it also, in case anyone, internet idiots/bashers, try to claim some bullshit -- while it does not prove anything 100% it at least shows I did everything possible to be open and prove I did send the real item I claimed.

7) Costs (approximately October 2015) came to about $360 USD total for my sample which was to test the presence of one specific compound and test the concentration of that compound.

hope all that helps everyone.

Appreciate your help brother!!!

 

[Bone Gristle]

Here is how I successfully used SIMEC's services to test my AAS samples:
Sending to Simec basically comes down to mailing out a sample and wiring the fees.

However, you need a few more things to consider:
1) I contacted them using the general contact email on the Simec website and explained I did not know German -- I was contacted back in English.
Here is the website: www.simec.ch/
Here is the contact email from their website: info@simec.ch

2) I had to use my real full name, I tried to use my online nickname but that was rejected and it was explained to me that they require a real name and address.

3) You will be mailing a package that needs to pass out-going customs so you are taking a little risk but I assume you are very experienced with opening packages so you should know how to pack something correctly to pass. My biggest worry was at the post-office; they asked what are the contents and needed to enter it into a record--I said it was an analytic sample (worth less than $5) for a new product I am working on with my partners in the EU (I gave no other details -- only said under $5 value to avoid issues, and answered "no" to all the specific questions such as "is it perfume" or "is in toxic and need special handling").

4) Your package also needs to pass Swiss custom and to do so make sure you print these forms out and include them in the package (you need all 3):
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 11.2014
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 03.2015
Swissmedic No Objection Certificate Steroids 07.2015

5) Next you need to send funds; you will have to use your real name and info because this is a legit real business that keeps records and accounting etc. Keep in mind, these items are NOT illegal in Switzerland.

6) I made sure to take a lot of good pictures of the packing process, actually had my GF vid it also, in case anyone, internet idiots/bashers, try to claim some bullshit -- while it does not prove anything 100% it at least shows I did everything possible to be open and prove I did send the real item I claimed.

7) Costs (approximately October 2015) came to about $360 USD total for my sample which was to test the presence of one specific compound and test the concentration of that compound.

hope all that helps everyone.

Thanks for the info, but honestly I'd be much more willing to send in a sample if Frank would wire the funds to simec himself rather than have me front the cash. $360 isn't exactly a small fee to dish out for all of us.

Hell, I have some of that chinese hcg that's in question that I would love to send out to simec if Frank would wire the payment to them.

 

[Grandpa Gainz]

Happy Friday. Christmas bonus showed up today what a bargain! Thxs Frank.

 

[xcvcx]

As compensation we have temporarly by 50% reduced test p price (even in vials) in our retail store basicstero.net. All prices for amps are also reduced now. As i said we know to admit our issues and ready to bear responsibility for them.

In case you missed. Hell of deal when added to xmas special.

 

[Oak707]

I feel like Frank's explanation on the test P is kind of a cop out.why would a new production line have anything to do with the mixture of product? I'm sure the test is made in a different part of the facility than the actual packaging. So the product should be the same 100mg/ml no matter if it's being put in a 10ml or a 1ml. The size of the container should have no effect on the actual product. You don't adjust a recipe based on the container. You just adjust the fills. I work in one of the biggest breweries in the world. We just added a new production line. It took about 8 months to get it dialed in, but no matter how fucked up it was, the beer from brewing always remained the same. As should pharmacons test whether it be in amps or vials. I mean bud light or Coors light is the same beer whether it's in a 12oz. Can or a tall boy. That's just my opinion.

 

[xcvcx]

If I read it right - there are different "mixers" for each type of container, not same mixer and just different filling equipment.

 

[Oak707]

If I read it right - there are different "mixers" for each type of container, not same mixer and just different filling equipment.

I guess... Why not just add a new line from the mixers that are already making prop to the new amp production line. Then no need to mess with anything. I don't know maybe I'm just being way more critical cause I'm on the verge of making a purchase and I'm on the fence with a few places

 

[jackmeoff1]

I feel like Frank's explanation on the test P is kind of a cop out.why would a new production line have anything to do with the mixture of product? I'm sure the test is made in a different part of the facility than the actual packaging. So the product should be the same 100mg/ml no matter if it's being put in a 10ml or a 1ml. The size of the container should have no effect on the actual product. You don't adjust a recipe based on the container. You just adjust the fills. I work in one of the biggest breweries in the world. We just added a new production line. It took about 8 months to get it dialed in, but no matter how fucked up it was, the beer from brewing always remained the same. As should pharmacons test whether it be in amps or vials. I mean bud light or Coors light is the same beer whether it's in a 12oz. Can or a tall boy. That's just my opinion.

He explained the amps vs vials thing a few pages back.

Seems like they are being transparent to me.

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

I guess... Why not just add a new line from the mixers that are already making prop to the new amp production line. Then no need to mess with anything. I don't know maybe I'm just being way more critical cause I'm on the verge of making a purchase and I'm on the fence with a few places

I don't think you're being overly critical as much as, maybe, you're over simplifying the chemistry involved. Different oils have different molecular weights. Thinner oils have a lower molecular weight than more viscous oils and I would imagine different antisceptic agents have their own variables as well. The same way that shorter esters make available more hormone than longer esters because they "take up less space" of the total compound volume. If the ingredient formula is different from vials to amps, which is what Frank is saying, then it can take more or less hormone in the same liquid volume to equal 100mg/ml. And of course the formula for every hormone would be different because the molecular make up of each hormone is different. So the ratio for Test P would be different than Test E or C or for Tren or Deca. The variables would differ for each scenario. This isn't kitchen brewing. I've obviously over simplified the explanation but you get the gist.

 

[mkulltra58]

I guess... Why not just add a new line from the mixers that are already making prop to the new amp production line. Then no need to mess with anything. I don't know maybe I'm just being way more critical cause I'm on the verge of making a purchase and I'm on the fence with a few places

Ultimately it comes down to whether you think pharmacom is trying to screw people or not. I don't think that's the case at all otherwise why offer to make things right or make product 50% off? Why offer to have all products tested? Why support AnabolicLab? Etc. Etc.

There are errors in production and this is an illegal business the manufacturers, suppliers, distributors, etc. are in. Everything won't always be perfect. Not to mention it is still a pass by error margin standards.

 

[Oak707]

I don't think you're being overly critical as much as, maybe, you're over simplifying the chemistry involved. Different oils have different molecular weights. Thinner oils have a lower molecular weight than more viscous oils and I would imagine different antisceptic agents have their own variables as well. The same way that shorter esters make available more hormone than longer esters because they "take up less space" of the total compound volume. If the ingredient formula is different from vials to amps, which is what Frank is saying, then it can take more or less hormone in the same liquid volume to equal 100mg/ml. And of course the formula for every hormone would be different because the molecular make up of each hormone is different. So the ratio for Test P would be different than Test E or C or for Tren or Deca. The variables would differ for each scenario. This isn't kitchen brewing. I've obviously over simplified the explanation but you get the gist.

Yeah I get it and maybe I did over simplify. Going back and rereading the explanation it does make more sense.

 

[Oak707]

Ultimately it comes down to whether you think pharmacom is trying to screw people or not. I don't think that's the case at all otherwise why offer to make things right or make product 50% off? Why offer to have all products tested? Why support AnabolicLab? Etc. Etc.

There are errors in production and this is an illegal business the manufacturers, suppliers, distributors, etc. are in. Everything won't always be perfect. Not to mention it is still a pass by error margin standards.

I agree and I don't think they are trying to screw people over. Like I said I think I was just being overly critical cause I'm about to make a purchase and I'm trying to make my mind up.

 

[mkulltra58]

I agree and I don't think they are trying to screw people over. Like I said I think I was just being overly critical cause I'm about to make a purchase and I'm trying to make my mind up.

I'm running their Test E and Deca, and used the Test Prop earlier in my cycle. I'll be getting bloods next week and will post them here. But so far, I've been feeling good. Actually, just today I got called out by a neighbor for looking bigger "so quickly". I felt bad telling him it was just from training hard and eating big.

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

I'm running their Test E and Deca, and used the Test Prop earlier in my cycle. I'll be getting bloods next week and will post them here. But so far, I've been feeling good. Actually, just today I got called out by a neighbor for looking bigger "so quickly". I felt bad telling him it was just from training hard and eating big.

Don't feel bad. You weren't lying. You can run gear but if you're not training and eating right nothings gonna happen.

 

[mkulltra58]

Don't feel bad. You weren't lying. You can run gear but if you're not training and eating right nothings gonna happen.

I think really why I felt bad was because he told me he has been training for two years, three hours a day and he has like 14" arms. I told him to check out the program that I built my base off of. Kind of a modified powerlifting, 80% max progressive overload program. You could tell through that he has probably stayed at maintenence or cutting too long and never really bulked.

 

[Melly Mel from hell]

I think really why I felt bad was because he told me he has been training for two years, three hours a day and he has like 14" arms. I told him to check out the program that I built my base off of. Kind of a modified powerlifting, 80% max progressive overload program. You could tell through that he has probably stayed at maintenence or cutting too long and never really bulked.

Guaranteed he's not eating right.

 

[naturalkon]

I think really why I felt bad was because he told me he has been training for two years, three hours a day and he has like 14" arms. I told him to check out the program that I built my base off of. Kind of a modified powerlifting, 80% max progressive overload program. You could tell through that he has probably stayed at maintenence or cutting too long and never really bulked.

Tell him to quit training so often. Dumb ass is burning more calories than he takes in. Also when training for long periods like that it usually means their intensity sucks.

 

[naturalkon]

I feel like Frank's explanation on the test P is kind of a cop out.why would a new production line have anything to do with the mixture of product? I'm sure the test is made in a different part of the facility than the actual packaging. So the product should be the same 100mg/ml no matter if it's being put in a 10ml or a 1ml. The size of the container should have no effect on the actual product. You don't adjust a recipe based on the container. You just adjust the fills. I work in one of the biggest breweries in the world. We just added a new production line. It took about 8 months to get it dialed in, but no matter how fucked up it was, the beer from brewing always remained the same. As should pharmacons test whether it be in amps or vials. I mean bud light or Coors light is the same beer whether it's in a 12oz. Can or a tall boy. That's just my opinion.

Dude, frank is a nonsense ninja. He isn't trying to screw people over but I don't believe every bit of what he is saying. They unintentionally screwed something up, but he's taking care of it.

 

[mkulltra58]

Tell him to quit training so often. Dumb ass is burning more calories than he takes in. Also when training for long periods like that it usually means their intensity sucks.

That's exactly what I said to him and he made a face like I don't know what I am talking about. I guarantee it is a combo of all of the above. Majority of people have no idea what they are doing. Learn the basics of how the body works and they will understand why the shit they do doesn't work. It took me a while of bad training and dieting to figure it out but once I did it was easy.