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magaboss13
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Not yet, they are communicating with me though.
So, i got some info from our team. I have already posted it in our thread and will just copy-paste.
So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.
As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.
As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.
See photo attached.
And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:
Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.
Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.
This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.
Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.
So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.
Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.
On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here
This report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.
So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.
US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.
So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.
As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.
As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.
See photo attached.
And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:
Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.
Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.
This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.
Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.
So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.
Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.
On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here
Code:
https://int.basicstero.ws/public/pdf/anastrozolos.pdfThis report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.
So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.
US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.
janoshik
Subscriber
I believe, as you've quoted my additional test, it would be appropriate to send those data here as well, or permit me to post it here. GCMS is an entirely different beast for identification compared to chromatography alone.
I feel like people sending their samples of the said batch (possibly others too) to Lab4Tox would help clear the situation out and as you yourself have welcomed them to, I can only hope somebody will decide do so soon enough.
Cheers
PS: SIMEC is not only not accredited, nor certified for this kind of testing, they don't even bother to validate (verify it actually works) their methods - as can be seen by the "N" label on the tests they've conducted.
I feel like people sending their samples of the said batch (possibly others too) to Lab4Tox would help clear the situation out and as you yourself have welcomed them to, I can only hope somebody will decide do so soon enough.
Cheers
PS: SIMEC is not only not accredited, nor certified for this kind of testing, they don't even bother to validate (verify it actually works) their methods - as can be seen by the "N" label on the tests they've conducted.
janoshik
Subscriber
Maybe even @magaboss13 himself could send it to Lab4Tox, given he is compensated for it?
janoshik
Subscriber
NOTE: For qualitative only testing one may consider this service as well: Canadians - Thoughts on getyourdrugstested?
Simec replied they always retest twice, when I asked long time ago.
Sure you can post it.As i said, I am not denying your results. But we definitely need an extra analysis. If we find this batch at US domestic warehouse left we will try to send it for test as well.
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janoshik
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Thank you.
RThoads
Subscriber
• Repost of Information from the Source
Below is simply a repost of the information @Pharmacom Labs recently posted because (at least on my end) some of the images did not display properly. All I did was go to the link of each image, download each, and rehost them so they will all display. No changes to the content have been made; as such all content and words posted below are those of the original author, Frank from Basicstero (cited and quoted for reference at the end of the reposted content):
"
So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.
As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.
As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.
See photo attached.
And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:
Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.
Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.
This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.
Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.
So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.
Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.
On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here
This report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.
So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.
US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.
"
source: MESO-Rx Sponsor - Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store
Below is simply a repost of the information @Pharmacom Labs recently posted because (at least on my end) some of the images did not display properly. All I did was go to the link of each image, download each, and rehost them so they will all display. No changes to the content have been made; as such all content and words posted below are those of the original author, Frank from Basicstero (cited and quoted for reference at the end of the reposted content):
"
So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.
As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.
As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.
See photo attached.
And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:
Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.
Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.
This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.
Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.
So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.
Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.
On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here
Code:
https://int.basicstero.ws/public/pdf/anastrozolos.pdfThis report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.
So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.
US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.
"
source: MESO-Rx Sponsor - Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store
So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.
As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.
As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.
See photo attached.
And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:
Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.
Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.
This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.
Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.
So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.
Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.
On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here
Code:https://int.basicstero.ws/public/pdf/anastrozolos.pdf
This report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.
So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.
US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.
randomguy87
Banned
@magaboss13 have you been compensated for anything yet?
magaboss13
Member
No I have not. To be fair, I haven’t asked for anything. I just want to know what AI I have lol.
Pharmacon already said they have some of the same batch at the US warehouse.
Why not send an unopened box to lab4tox or jano? Y'all testing a different batch and then saying for certain that it is anastrozol and not letro is misleading, at best.
Test the same fucking batch and let's see the results. As a matter of fact, y'all should send an unopened box of it to jano and another to lab4tox and actually get to the bottom of this instead of half stepping and questioning the customer and jano's credibility. Actions speak louder than words and y'all coming out and testing a completely different batch is a bait and switch. Overpriced, faux pharma. Y'all need to own up to your fuck up and take care of the customer.
Why not send an unopened box to lab4tox or jano? Y'all testing a different batch and then saying for certain that it is anastrozol and not letro is misleading, at best.
Test the same fucking batch and let's see the results. As a matter of fact, y'all should send an unopened box of it to jano and another to lab4tox and actually get to the bottom of this instead of half stepping and questioning the customer and jano's credibility. Actions speak louder than words and y'all coming out and testing a completely different batch is a bait and switch. Overpriced, faux pharma. Y'all need to own up to your fuck up and take care of the customer.
Fuck these overpriced assholes. They need to admit they fucked up and make you whole. Offer you some credit or refund your order. I'd be fucking livid if I was in your shoes and they responded like this. Fucking cunty chinamen.
RThoads
Subscriber
@MadBret Here is the analytic result from SIMEC for that batch:
SIMEC testing show it is adex.
The source's testing shows it is adex.
Jano testing shows it is letro.
I respect both (and Frank has also stated he is not doubting Jano -- from what Frank wrote, it sounds like the source even paid to have it tested again with Jano).
I would appreciate if I could see what ChemTox or another credible 3rd-party lab concludes. I know it is not practical and unlikely to occur; but, at this point I am also just interested to see additional results because I am NOT doubting any of these tests, services, or labs -- but the results are not the same so I am curious. Regardless of what is in the samle, one or more of the testing services is incorrect and I am just as interested in the testing services as I am in the product being tested.
Here is what we know so far:
•SIMEC testing showed the batch was made from raws that are adex (can be colcluded based on the follwing point).
•SIMEC testing shows the finished product is perfect (see HPLC result included above).
•Nonetheless, as Frank stated, he "asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports."
•Clearly the source is not trying to scam anyone because it would not make any sense to provide an expensive compound at such a precise measured amount (it was nearly perfectly 1mg testing at 0.97mg) -- this rules out any profit incentive or skipping measuring etc.
•Regardless of your individual situation or interest, at this point even the source wants to know more and, according to Frank, "obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed."
•INTL Warehouses do not have any of this batch left in stock; the source has removed this batch from their shelves at US domestic warehouse.
For more details, testing results, data, and other information, see my recent post quoted below for a summary from Frank (manager from the source) of what we know so far:
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA&ab_channel=BertKreischer
This source has provided multiple analysis results, communicated with Jano to get additional testing, investigating the topic from raws supplier to production to warehouse inventory etc. and all this in only the past few days.
Do you really think others osurce will do this, or even have the ability to do this? For exmaple, do you think a small garage UGL with lower prices that orders raw chemicals on the darknet (often with no way to test what they received, quality, purity, impurities etc. and just counting/hoping on an illegal chemical exporter in asia's word for what they have received) can offer this same quality and information? most cannot but they can simply chnage names and email so the community is buying from teh same guy but thinks it is some new, better, alternative.
With real pharmacy items that are smuggled (most do not have access to such items) the prices are higher and limitted suply (also risk of counterfiets is very real), so pharmacy items are also an issue because of high prices and risk of fakes. So we all must make a choice and get the supplements we want from somewhere.
This source is one of your absolute best options.
If you have this much doubt with a world-wide highly reputable source with an industry-level manufacturing facility, access to many resources, has testing, thousands of customers a month in many nations around the world, and a decade-long track-record of excellence, -- if Pharmacom is not good enough for your stadards -- good luck with others sources... you'll need it.
Basicstero and Pharmacom have an excellent reputation that was earned from many years of thousands of satisfied customers and many good analysis results: Pharmacom Labs Archives - Anabolic Lab
SIMEC testing show it is adex.
The source's testing shows it is adex.
Jano testing shows it is letro.
I respect both (and Frank has also stated he is not doubting Jano -- from what Frank wrote, it sounds like the source even paid to have it tested again with Jano).
I would appreciate if I could see what ChemTox or another credible 3rd-party lab concludes. I know it is not practical and unlikely to occur; but, at this point I am also just interested to see additional results because I am NOT doubting any of these tests, services, or labs -- but the results are not the same so I am curious. Regardless of what is in the samle, one or more of the testing services is incorrect and I am just as interested in the testing services as I am in the product being tested.
Here is what we know so far:
•SIMEC testing showed the batch was made from raws that are adex (can be colcluded based on the follwing point).
•SIMEC testing shows the finished product is perfect (see HPLC result included above).
•Nonetheless, as Frank stated, he "asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports."
•Clearly the source is not trying to scam anyone because it would not make any sense to provide an expensive compound at such a precise measured amount (it was nearly perfectly 1mg testing at 0.97mg) -- this rules out any profit incentive or skipping measuring etc.
•Regardless of your individual situation or interest, at this point even the source wants to know more and, according to Frank, "obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed."
•INTL Warehouses do not have any of this batch left in stock; the source has removed this batch from their shelves at US domestic warehouse.
For more details, testing results, data, and other information, see my recent post quoted below for a summary from Frank (manager from the source) of what we know so far:
• Repost of Information from the Source
Below is simply a repost of the information @Pharmacom Labs recently posted because (at least on my end) some of the images did not display properly. All I did was go to the link of each image, download each, and rehost them so they will all display. No changes to the content have been made; as such all content and words posted below are those of the original author, Frank from Basicstero (cited and quoted for reference at the end of the reposted content):
"
So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.
As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.
As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.
See photo attached.
And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:
Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.
Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.
This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.
Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.
So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.
Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.
On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here
Code:https://int.basicstero.ws/public/pdf/anastrozolos.pdf
This report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.
So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.
US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.
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source: MESO-Rx Sponsor - Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store
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Russian... the source's ownership and management are Russian based. You needed to base your dramatic rant and intended racial insult towards Russians not Chinese in this case (well, if you want it to be relevant or make any sense).
Here is a little short clip with some funny stereotype about Russians that may help you create future content to use in dramatic insults against Russians and maybe even other Eastern Europeans.
I am NOT suggesting you do so (everyone is different and some may not like it, but i think some ethinic references can be funny), but if you want to include race in your dramatic rants, it may be more effective to address the correct ethnicity of the intended target.
Anyway, check out this comedian -- i think he's hilarious
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA&ab_channel=BertKreischer
This source has provided multiple analysis results, communicated with Jano to get additional testing, investigating the topic from raws supplier to production to warehouse inventory etc. and all this in only the past few days.
Do you really think others osurce will do this, or even have the ability to do this? For exmaple, do you think a small garage UGL with lower prices that orders raw chemicals on the darknet (often with no way to test what they received, quality, purity, impurities etc. and just counting/hoping on an illegal chemical exporter in asia's word for what they have received) can offer this same quality and information? most cannot but they can simply chnage names and email so the community is buying from teh same guy but thinks it is some new, better, alternative.
With real pharmacy items that are smuggled (most do not have access to such items) the prices are higher and limitted suply (also risk of counterfiets is very real), so pharmacy items are also an issue because of high prices and risk of fakes. So we all must make a choice and get the supplements we want from somewhere.
This source is one of your absolute best options.
If you have this much doubt with a world-wide highly reputable source with an industry-level manufacturing facility, access to many resources, has testing, thousands of customers a month in many nations around the world, and a decade-long track-record of excellence, -- if Pharmacom is not good enough for your stadards -- good luck with others sources... you'll need it.
Basicstero and Pharmacom have an excellent reputation that was earned from many years of thousands of satisfied customers and many good analysis results: Pharmacom Labs Archives - Anabolic Lab
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@MadBret Here is the analytic result from SIMEC for that batch:
SIMEC testing show it is adex.
The source's testing shows it is adex.
Jano testing shows it is letro.
I respect both (and Frank has also stated he is not doubting Jano -- from what Frank wrote, it sounds like the source even paid to have it tested again with Jano).
I would appreciate if I could see what ChemTox or another credible 3rd-party lab concludes. I know it is not practical and unlikely to occur; but, at this point I am also just interested to see additional results because I am NOT doubting any of these tests, services, or labs -- but the results are not the same so I am curious. Regardless of what is in the samle, one or more of the testing services is incorrect and I am just as interested in the testing services as I am in the product being tested.
Here is what we know so far:
•SIMEC testing showed the batch was made from raws that are adex (can be colcluded based on the follwing point).
•SIMEC testing shows the finished product is perfect (see HPLC result included above).
•Nonetheless, as Frank stated, he "asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports."
•Clearly the source is not trying to scam anyone because it would not make any sense to provide an expensive compound at such a precise measured amount (it was nearly perfectly 1mg testing at 0.97mg) -- this rules out any profit incentive or skipping measuring etc.
•Regardless of your individual situation or interest, at this point even the source wants to know more and, according to Frank, "obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed."
•INTL Warehouses do not have any of this batch left in stock; the source has removed this batch from their shelves at US domestic warehouse.
For more details, testing results, data, and other information, see my recent post quoted below for a summary from Frank (manager from the source) of what we know so far:
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Russian... the source's ownership and management are Russian based. You needed to base your dramatic rant and intended racial insult towards Russians not Chinese in this case (well, if you want it to be relevant or make any sense).
Here is a little short clip with some funny stereotype about Russians that may help you create future content to use in dramatic insults against Russians and maybe even other Eastern Europeans.
I am NOT suggesting you do so (everyone is different and some may not like it, but i think some ethinic references can be funny), but if you want to include race in your dramatic rants, it may be more effective to address the correct ethnicity of the intended target.
Anyway, check out this comedian -- i think he's hilarious
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA&ab_channel=BertKreischer
This source has provided multiple analysis results, communicated with Jano to get additional testing, investigating the topic from raws supplier to production to warehouse inventory etc. and all this in only the past few days.
Do you really think others osurce will do this, or even have the ability to do this? For exmaple, do you think a small garage UGL with lower prices that orders raw chemicals on the darknet (often with no way to test what they received, quality, purity, impurities etc. and just counting/hoping on an illegal chemical exporter in asia's word for what they have received) can offer this same quality and information? most cannot but they can simply chnage names and email so the community is buying from teh same guy but thinks it is some new, better, alternative.
With real pharmacy items that are smuggled (most do not have access to such items) the prices are higher and limitted suply (also risk of counterfiets is very real), so pharmacy items are also an issue because of high prices and risk of fakes. So we all must make a choice and get the supplements we want from somewhere.
This source is one of your absolute best options.
If you have this much doubt with a world-wide highly reputable source with an industry-level manufacturing facility, access to many resources, has testing, thousands of customers a month in many nations around the world, and a decade-long track-record of excellence, -- if Pharmacom is not good enough for your stadards -- good luck with others sources... you'll need it.
Basicstero and Pharmacom have an excellent reputation that was earned from many years of thousands of satisfied customers and many good analysis results: Pharmacom Labs Archives - Anabolic Lab
Well excuse me. Cunty Russian, it is.
With that long winded reply, you couldn't be bothered to address what I said. Y'all should send off a couple of unopened boxes from the stock that was pulled from the US warehouse. Don't fuck around and make excuses...just get that shit sent out asap and let's see what it is.
I think the reason it came up different than your two and a half year old test from simec is because you all didn't test all of your raws. You got new shit, didn't test it, and called it the same batch. Seems fairly simple to me.
Apparently, there was a problem with letro being sent out instead of arimidex raws in the not too distant past.
What possible reason, other than you all got new raws and pressed pills with them without testing the api, would make any sense?
Shit happens. I don't think it was intentional and you folks obviously know how to make accurate dosages. I just think coming out and saying that "we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol." is bullshit and basically calling Jano and the customer, liars.
You guys already pulled the remaining US stock. Prove me wrong and send out a couple of unopened boxes of the same batch as the customer, for testing.
RThoads
Subscriber
@MadBret the source has already made a reply that agrees with you that we would all like to see additional testing from a credible 3rd-party (such as ChemTox ).
I understand what some other sources may have done to some of you in the past and rightfully so you are cautious (i not only respect that, I also support it, and is why I made MESO my "home" board years ago), but this is not a source vs customer battle or debate -- we ALL want the same things here (high quality, good business, and 100% understanding of any results).
We are not in opposition -- we are all on the same "side" with this; and, I personally appreciate holding all parties to high stadards (I use some these testing services and this source's products myself, so I appreciate anything that ensures we have teh best quality possible).
I have known Frank (@Pharmacom Labs / Basicstero manager) well over 5 years now and seen how he handles many situations (actually Pharmacom as a whole is much the same) -- if you do a search over his history you can easily find he is open about everything he knows, readily admits any mistakes, and cares about facts and quality more than anything else. Please, do not take this wrong, but with the size, customer base, and amount of business this source has, he could have easily just ignored this issue and even if many of you hated him if he did not reply, there would be no noticeable change in business volume -- again, I am not trying to be rude (if I were rude, I would do the same and not take all this time to reply); actually the opposite of rude, I am trying to let you realize the global manager of this source really cares and his entire history here shows he has been a good dude.
Pharmacom has no reasons to try to hide anything and if it were some excuses etc. then they would just give you an excuse (or totally ignore it all) and move on.
Instead, Frank has already put in a lot of effort to sort this out, he has started the internal investigation that brough up those previous SIMEC results, contacted Jano and paid for a repeat testing (not something someone that is making excuses or scamming would do -- and, Frank even confirms Jano's result stating he "...asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It is hard to deny chromatography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports."), and he is asking if anyone has the ability to test this batch (I quoted that part here below).
This is not how someone making excuses or scamming acts; this is genuine concern and trying to investigate to fully understand what has occurred.
The source cannot import these products back from the USA.
The INTL warehouse has not had this batch in a long time.
SIMEC decline the request for more testing.
As you can see in the quote above, the source wants to see more results on this if possible; and, most importantly the source wants to fully and completely know what may have occurred.
Do you know of any reputable lab that will accept samples from the USA?
it is not a steroid (not a controlled substance to the best of my understanding) so it should not be limited by the same legal status as AAS.
I do not know the situation with the US Warehouse regarding if the warehouse staff can, is able, and/or willing to send analytic samples; I will have to ask Frank what options we have there.
IF any other customers have some of this batch still sealed in blister (not loose pills), please consider contacting Frank @Pharmacom Labs or even PM me and I will try to facilitate communication, to arrange for some additional testing.
I understand what some other sources may have done to some of you in the past and rightfully so you are cautious (i not only respect that, I also support it, and is why I made MESO my "home" board years ago), but this is not a source vs customer battle or debate -- we ALL want the same things here (high quality, good business, and 100% understanding of any results).
We are not in opposition -- we are all on the same "side" with this; and, I personally appreciate holding all parties to high stadards (I use some these testing services and this source's products myself, so I appreciate anything that ensures we have teh best quality possible).
I have known Frank (@Pharmacom Labs / Basicstero manager) well over 5 years now and seen how he handles many situations (actually Pharmacom as a whole is much the same) -- if you do a search over his history you can easily find he is open about everything he knows, readily admits any mistakes, and cares about facts and quality more than anything else. Please, do not take this wrong, but with the size, customer base, and amount of business this source has, he could have easily just ignored this issue and even if many of you hated him if he did not reply, there would be no noticeable change in business volume -- again, I am not trying to be rude (if I were rude, I would do the same and not take all this time to reply); actually the opposite of rude, I am trying to let you realize the global manager of this source really cares and his entire history here shows he has been a good dude.
Pharmacom has no reasons to try to hide anything and if it were some excuses etc. then they would just give you an excuse (or totally ignore it all) and move on.
Instead, Frank has already put in a lot of effort to sort this out, he has started the internal investigation that brough up those previous SIMEC results, contacted Jano and paid for a repeat testing (not something someone that is making excuses or scamming would do -- and, Frank even confirms Jano's result stating he "...asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It is hard to deny chromatography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports."), and he is asking if anyone has the ability to test this batch (I quoted that part here below).
This is not how someone making excuses or scamming acts; this is genuine concern and trying to investigate to fully understand what has occurred.
The source cannot import these products back from the USA.
The INTL warehouse has not had this batch in a long time.
SIMEC decline the request for more testing.
As you can see in the quote above, the source wants to see more results on this if possible; and, most importantly the source wants to fully and completely know what may have occurred.
Do you know of any reputable lab that will accept samples from the USA?
it is not a steroid (not a controlled substance to the best of my understanding) so it should not be limited by the same legal status as AAS.
I do not know the situation with the US Warehouse regarding if the warehouse staff can, is able, and/or willing to send analytic samples; I will have to ask Frank what options we have there.
IF any other customers have some of this batch still sealed in blister (not loose pills), please consider contacting Frank @Pharmacom Labs or even PM me and I will try to facilitate communication, to arrange for some additional testing.
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RThoads
Subscriber
I agree and the next time I get a chance to talk with Frank the source's manager (hopefully I can catch him online before next week), I am going to explore and ask if there are any options for us to do just that.
If anyone knows of other trusted testing services, please feel free to PM me the link or details so I may offer it to Frank for his consideration.
Also, if anyone esle has some of this old batch, let me know and I will try to get you in contact with the source so maybe we can get it tested.
(as a consultant/rep, I do not have any access or authority myself to make such arrnagements, or offfer any compensations, but I can try to help get someone in contact with the source so maybe testing arragments may be made).
Whatever happens, at least this just shows all the sources (including Pharmacom) and any/all testing services that everyone is held to high standards and any/all results will be scrutinized -- nothing will be taken for granted or just as is without inspection, further investigations, or more details.
Ultimately, while the specific confusion here currently may suck and seem negative, I appreciate @magaboss13 getting testing done (I encorage others to do the same as often as possible), and I thank @janoshik and @Pharmacom Labs for putting in effort to cooperate together to try to figure this out -- this leads to even better higher quality products and services for all of us.
I have said it a couple times already, but just out of respect for all involved in this topic, let me take the time to repeat (i know some commented my posts are long, but each point is important to say),
I do NOT doubt Jano (the source even paid for a repeat test from Jano and it gave the same result;
I do not doubt the customer (we trust him and I have had convos in another thread with him -- he seems like a very fair and decent guy just looking for genuine info; i would do the same);
I do not doubt SIMEC (they are not an underground lab; they are a "official" analytic labotory and have no connection to the AAS business or motivation to scam anyone);
and I do not doubt the source Pharmacom / Basicstero (they have a very long track-record of good results and I would not work for them if they had not earned my respect).
I want to understand what is going on here as much as anyone else and whatever the issue, I already suspect it is some innocent rare error or mistake on behalf of one or more of the parties involved NOT any scam or anything done wrong on purpose (I am in no way accusing anyone here of any deceit -- everyone seems to mean well and all are doing the best they can do to give us accurate information).
I do personally want to see it tested again as well brother.
we found 50 packages of anastrozol from that batch PHAN00002E at US domestic warehouse. Yes, going to send samples to a lab. Of course we will not sell this batch until we get new reports and situation becomes clear.
