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[M@NU]

Hey Pharmacom team. I have an odd question. I've bought a lot of gear from you guys over the years, mostly Test and orals. However, I once bought a couple of vials of Pharma Mix 2 that I never used. I didn't know ANYTHING about Tren and so realized I had bought gear that was over my head. Now, with several cycles under my belt I'm interested in trying Tren and specifically the bottles of Mix 2 that I've had hanging around in my medicine cabinet. BUT…the expiration date is 1 year past and I don't know if it is effective or poison or what. Please advice.View attachment 143297

if is was properly stored i dont need any issue..

 

[Pharmacom Support]

Dmitry Vorotyntsev - PRO athlete team Pharmacom Labs.

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[RThoads]

Hey Pharmacom team. I have an odd question. I've bought a lot of gear from you guys over the years, mostly Test and orals. However, I once bought a couple of vials of Pharma Mix 2 that I never used. I didn't know ANYTHING about Tren and so realized I had bought gear that was over my head. Now, with several cycles under my belt I'm interested in trying Tren and specifically the bottles of Mix 2 that I've had hanging around in my medicine cabinet. BUT…the expiration date is 1 year past and I don't know if it is effective or poison or what. Please advice.View attachment 143297

As long as you stored them properly, the contents are good for a long time past any printed date:

Products are good way past the exp date
check out this article from Harvard Medical School:
Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything? - Harvard Health

Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything?
FDA study gets to the heart of expired medicine and safety
Updated: August 13, 2018
Published: November, 2003

The big question is, do pills expire? With a splitting headache, you reach into your medicine cabinet for some aspirin only to find the stamped expiration date on the medicine bottle is more than a year out of date. So, does medicine expire? Do you take it or don't you? If you decide to take the aspirin, will it be a fatal mistake or will you simply continue to suffer from the headache?

This is a dilemma many people face in some way or another. A column published in Psychopharmacology Today offers some advice.

It turns out that the expiration date on a drug does stand for something, but probably not what you think it does. Since a law was passed in 1979, drug manufacturers are required to stamp an expiration date on their products. This is the date at which the manufacturer can still guarantee the full potency and safety of the drug.

Most of what is known about drug expiration dates comes from a study conducted by the Food and Drug Administration at the request of the military. With a large and expensive stockpile of drugs, the military faced tossing out and replacing its drugs every few years. What they found from the study is 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date.

So the expiration date doesn't really indicate a point at which the medication is no longer effective or has become unsafe to use. Medical authorities state if expired medicine is safe to take, even those that expired years ago. A rare exception to this may be tetracycline, but the report on this is controversial among researchers. It's true the effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but much of the original potency still remains even a decade after the expiration date. Excluding nitroglycerin, insulin, and liquid antibiotics, most medications are as long-lasting as the ones tested by the military. Placing a medication in a cool place, such as a refrigerator, will help a drug remain potent for many years.

Is the expiration date a marketing ploy by drug manufacturers, to keep you restocking your medicine cabinet and their pockets regularly? You can look at it that way. Or you can also look at it this way: The expiration dates are very conservative to ensure you get everything you paid for. And, really, if a drug manufacturer had to do expiration-date testing for longer periods it would slow their ability to bring you new and improved formulations.

The next time you face the drug expiration date dilemma, consider what you've learned here. If the expiration date passed a few years ago and it's important that your drug is absolutely 100% effective, you might want to consider buying a new bottle. And if you have any questions about the safety or effectiveness of any drug, ask your pharmacist. He or she is a great resource when it comes to getting more information about your medications.

Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything? - Harvard Health

Are expired drugs safe and does the medicine expiration date really matter?...

www.health.harvard.edu

 

[wsw16]

How do I get the loyalty discount? I've made about 22 orders on the international site but still can't see any loyalty discounts applied if I try to make an order

 

[RThoads]

The Pharma mix 4 has zero pip and it’s 600mg which is a shock. The mix 6 however had a nice bite to it.

I have not yet run MIX4 but that is nice to heaR -- i might start using it for some of teh guys I coach. I never really implimented many of the mixes because I thought it was just the same as getting individual specific compound products and drawing them up into one pin.
But over time I did run inot some guys that make mistakes or do not understand what i am saying to do etc. So a mix will make it much easier to just suggest they use 1cc of mix-ABD and 1cc of MIX-XYZ, and be done with it (hard to mess up those instructions).

MIX-6 looks like a beast -- but awesome product for advnaced gusy that need that sort of stack and can handle some PIP.

 

[RThoads]

Second question for Pharmacom team or anyone…What is the intended use differences between Mix 2 and Mix 6. They're similar but Mix 6 is using Winstrol and longer esters. I'm still learning a lot and am curious about what the thinking was for the differences. Is it just that customers didn't want to pin EOD?

PHARMA MIX-2 is a mixure of short esters Tren, Mast, and Test-PP:

•Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/ml
•Drostanolone Propionate 100mg/ml
•Testosterone Phenylpropionate 75mg/ml

https://int.basicstero.ws/pharma-mix-2

In my opinion this mix would be most useful to someone who is "cutting" (dieting down to be lean) or in show prep trying to give a harder finished look towards the later half of prep so her or she looks dryer and harder.
Being short esters, I would suggest using it daily but at most I would not go longer than every-other-day.

From the source's site product description it says:
"The pride of Pharmacom Labs! We think it is the best combination for shedding fat and attaining an impeccably lean and muscular physique. With convenience in mind, only three injections are needed per week to reap the benefits of this incredibly potent synergetic stack of three powerful drugs!

WARNING: if you are going to use a high concentrated drug for the first time, we strongly recommend to inject only ½ ml to check the body reaction and to prevent possible side effects, which can include post injection pain (PIP), high body temperature, lumps, etc."
.

PHARMA MIX-6 is a mixure of long esters Tren, Drostanolone ("Mast"), and Test:

•Trenbolone Enanthate100 mg/ml
•Drostanolone Enanthate200 mg/ml
•Testosterone Enanthate200 mg/ml

https://int.basicstero.ws/pharma-mix-6

In my opinion this mix would be most useful to someone who wants to run a stack of Tren, Mast, and Test at relatively high dosages but fit it all in the least number of pins per week possible. It is a mix alowing these three compounds to be run at a high dosage but fit within a resoanable volume. Because they are long esters, teh user is not required to pin as often (the typical twice a week at approx every 3.5 days is a good schedule).

From the source's site product description it says:
"This is our last development among mixes! The version of PHARMA MIX-2, but with long esters! There is nothing to say more, you have just to try it!

PHARMA MIX 6 - Push Your Genetic Potential to the Absolute Edge!

WARNING: if you are going to use a high concentrated drug for the first time, we strongly recommend to inject only ½ ml to check the body reaction and to prevent possible side effects, which can include post injection pain (PIP), high body temperature, lumps, etc."
.

As you can see in the product descriptions linked above (linked in the "code" boxes) and as others have already mentioned (see quote below), there is no stanozolol in either of these mix products:

There is no winstrol in Mix 6. Only difference between Mix2 and Mix6 is the ester. So yeah its for the people that dont want to pin as often.

 

[RThoads]

How do I get the loyalty discount? I've made about 22 orders on the international site but still can't see any loyalty discounts applied if I try to make an order

It should be automatically applied in your cart. Currently, each warehouse account is independent and separate, so please make sure you are logged into the same warehouse that you have already placed enough orders for a loyalty (previous orders) discount.

Try adding some items to a cart (not a real order, don’t go all the way to confirming it, just do it to test if you see the discount and then you may close the window without placing the order).
If you still do not see any discount showing in your cart, my recommendation is that you contact the source directly via the "contact us" form on the Basicstero site and ask for assistance from the source's customer service regarding your account:

https://int.basicstero.ws/index/contact

Please see my post quoted below for more details about using the "Contact Us" feature on Basicstero's site:

Tip/Advice for Everyone: How to Contact the Source Directly

For specific account and order related inquiries please use the "Contact Us" form on the Basicstero website for the most direct and efficient communication with the company's customer service.

 https://int.basicstero.ws/index/contact

***Be sure to check your Spam Folder after contacting customer service because in the past some people complain they did not get a reply when in fact their email service filtered the reply to spam.

Board reps, posts, even PMs are not as efficient nor direct - may get overlooked or take time to be relayed to the appropriate personnel.
This is a big World-Wide company; Reps/PR/Marketing people are mostly busy relaying information/news/announcements and may not even have the ability, access, nor authority to see private account and order information.
(it is a good thing though, that the company only allows specific person ability to access private info for customer security reasons ).
Also, please, for your own safety never state any personal information in a public post.

The "Contact Us" form on the Basicstero website is the most direct form of communication regarding accounts and orders.

NOTE regarding tracking (which is a common inquiry I see daily across various boards and PMs):
In my experience, usually tracking is NOT uploaded until a pack leaves the warehouse country and passes outgoing (origin nation's) customs.
In my opinion this usually takes approx a couple weeks for intl packs.
Please be patient and try not to ask customer service for tracking info -- tracking will be uploaded to your dashboard when it is available and authorized to be given out (the source does not authorize it to be given out until a point, such as when it passes outgoing customs, when the source feels it is safe from the source's warehouse, staff, and mailers).
A source has no control over the postal service nor if packs are accurately scanned/updated within the postal system (once the pack is shipped, a source can only see what tracking shows you -- just like if/when you mail something to someone).
Keep in mind you can check the status of your order on the Basicstero site by loging into the warehouse where you placed the order and navigating to your
dashboard >> orders >> select the order you would like to see.
IF tracking has been uploaded to your account it will appear there in the order details section.

When contacting the source, please provide your order number and please have verifiable evidence if you are making any claims such as a lost or damaged pack (evidence would including a video of opening the sealed pack to show the condition of contents upon arrival or tracking status or seizure letter to show a pack is lost etc.).

I hope these tips and information are helpful

 

[RThoads]

Enjoy your weekend everyone
I am going to step away and try to spend some time with my family today.

 

[beastWolf]

There is no winstrol in Mix 6. Only difference between Mix2 and Mix6 is the ester. So yeah its for the people that dont want to pin as often.

Thanks for the answer and clearing that up. Not sure why I thought winstrol was in there ? I just read something last night that connective tissue has a hard time keeping up with Tren's muscle growth and so some people get injured easier. I was thinking why put in Winstrol in Mix 6, that would make tendons even more prone to injury. Thanks for clarification.

 

[Nik777]

hello @RThoads, news on the complaints of your wrong products and with shit inside? you said you were going to check then he dropped out.

 

[magaboss13]

hello @RThoads, news on the complaints of your wrong products and with shit inside? you said you were going to check then he dropped out.

My last update was this past Wednesday. Hopefully it’ll be resolved asap.

 

[Bill23138]

All these pictures of your athletes makes me nervous to buy. Like you are trying to make it hard to find honest reviews. Nobody is looking at some jacked Russian and saying wow now I really want to order from pharmacom.

 

[ItsDaBoii]

Any news regarding the armidex/letro issue?

 

[PHL Official]

Any ETA when Test undecanoate gets added to the store?

We expect within march.

Do you happen to have Proviron available from the US warehouse, or only international?

It is available on both. Proviron was in the PCT section, we fixed it and moved to oral steroids section.

Hey Pharmacom team. I have an odd question. I've bought a lot of gear from you guys over the years, mostly Test and orals. However, I once bought a couple of vials of Pharma Mix 2 that I never used. I didn't know ANYTHING about Tren and so realized I had bought gear that was over my head. Now, with several cycles under my belt I'm interested in trying Tren and specifically the bottles of Mix 2 that I've had hanging around in my medicine cabinet. BUT…the expiration date is 1 year past and I don't know if it is effective or poison or what. Please advice.View attachment 143297

This is replied by RT. We have guys who used products 5!!! years after expiration and products still showed great effect. Proven on practice.

How do I get the loyalty discount? I've made about 22 orders on the international site but still can't see any loyalty discounts applied if I try to make an order

It should apply automatically, if not, please contact us through the site, provide your username, we check and fix it.

hello @RThoads, news on the complaints of your wrong products and with shit inside? you said you were going to check then he dropped out.

Any news regarding the armidex/letro issue?

So, yes, I have news, will do a separate post now.

 

[PHL Official]

So, in my previous post I stated we are sure that anastrozol we have contains anastrozol, not letrozol. This is my point still. I do not have myself chemical background, so I could probably not completely understand all tiny testing details, but I will translate to you info provided by our specialist.

As explained earlier we ordered raws stock in advance due to rumors about possible raws lack in future. Those raws were tested and we use them in the current batch we have in stock. Currently international warehouse has batch number PHAN00007E. We tested it today again.

As a reference sample we used anastrozol from Tocris bioscience, which is a pharma grade supplier and causes no doubts in its quality. its like more known Merck.

See photo attached.







And here are screenshots from our analysis software interface:



Here you see 2 peaks. Blue peak is for reference sample Tocris bioscience. Grey peak is our anastrozolos from current batch PHAN00007E. They match. These peaks are typical for anastrozol.

Another view from our software. Yellow is Tocris bioscience reference sample, blue is our anastrozol.



This screenshot is ready report for current batch in our stock PHAN00007E.



Anyone (preferably with some history and reputation on this board) who has doubts and has this batch on hands can send his/her sample to a lab. We will only welcome this extra check.

So, after repeat test we are sure that the batch currently we have in stock at international warehouse at least is anastrozol.

Next, I contacted magaboss13 and asked to provide his batch number and photo. He did it. He got batch PHAN00002E. It was ordered from US domestic warehouse. This is a very old batch, which was produced from other raws long before coronavirus broke out. That batch was produced in April 2018.



On our site we have for a long time report from Simec certified lab for this batch from August 2018. You can see it here

https://int.basicstero.ws/public/pdf/anastrozolos.pdf

This report is from August 2018 and it is for batch PHAN00002E. This report has its individual number C74226. I think if you contact Simec, provide this number they will validate and confirm that this report is genuine, not faked. As per this report our pills have exactly 1 mg of anastrozol in it. Reports from Simec can be trusted even more than our own reports I guess. This is an accredited certified lab in Switzerland.

So...I am just lost at this point. Really no idea, how come is that possible that one report shows it is anastrozol and another report shows it is letrozol...Our international warehouse does not have this batch in stock anymore, so we can not test it now.

US domestic warehouse seems to have some packages left. I asked our local warehouse to revise all anastrozol, sort out all packages with batch PHAN00002E and put it aside so far. Since situation is really odd, we will not send it to you. We are revising our stock there now. If we find more packages with this batch left, it would be nice to test it somewhere else. We do not have an opportunity to import it from the USA to our own lab. I have also contacted Simec and they are refusing to work with non-GMP certified manufacturers due to misuse of their reports. If we find more packages with this batch it would be nice to test samples in some other third-side lab. Not at Janoshik. No disrespect. But you all see what we have. Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.

 

[theseus2019]

Well done!
I trust Simec on every occasion more than self-claimed labs online

 

[janoshik]

Simec shows one thing, Janoshik shows another thing. I asked Janoshik to do an extra test and paid for it. It confirmed the first result. It showed letrozol. It is hard to deny chromotography reports, so there is no way I deny Janoshik`s reports. However, obviously further analysis of this batch from a third-side lab is needed. So far we remove this batch from our shelves at US domestic warehouse, if we find some pieces left. I have not received warehouse revision report yet.

I believe, as you've quoted my additional test, it would be appropriate to send those data here as well, or permit me to post it here. GCMS is an entirely different beast for identification compared to chromatography alone.

I feel like people sending their samples of the said batch (possibly others too) to Lab4Tox would help clear the situation out and as you yourself have welcomed them to, I can only hope somebody will decide do so soon enough.

Cheers

PS: SIMEC is not only not accredited, nor certified for this kind of testing, they don't even bother to validate (verify it actually works) their methods - as can be seen by the "N" label on the tests they've conducted.

 

[PHL Official]

I believe, as you've quoted my additional test, it would be appropriate to send those data here as well, or permit me to post it here. GCMS is an entirely different beast for identification compared to chromatography alone.

I feel like people sending their samples of the said batch (possibly others too) to Lab4Tox would help clear the situation out and as you yourself have welcomed them to, I can only hope somebody will decide do so soon enough.

Cheers

PS: SIMEC is not only not accredited, nor certified for this kind of testing, they don't even bother to validate (verify it actually works) their methods - as can be seen by the "N" label on the tests they've conducted.

Simec replied they always retest twice, when I asked long time ago.
Sure you can post it.As i said, I am not denying your results. But we definitely need an extra analysis. If we find this batch at US domestic warehouse left we will try to send it for test as well.

 

[janoshik]

Simec replied they always retest twice, when I asked long time ago.
Sure you can post it.As i said, I am not denying your results. But we definitely need an extra analysis. If we find this batch at US domestic warehouse left we will try to send it for test as well.

Thank you.

 

[enigma34]

Hey Pharmacom team. I have an odd question. I've bought a lot of gear from you guys over the years, mostly Test and orals. However, I once bought a couple of vials of Pharma Mix 2 that I never used. I didn't know ANYTHING about Tren and so realized I had bought gear that was over my head. Now, with several cycles under my belt I'm interested in trying Tren and specifically the bottles of Mix 2 that I've had hanging around in my medicine cabinet. BUT…the expiration date is 1 year past and I don't know if it is effective or poison or what. Please advice.View attachment 143297

Totally safe . I have expired amps of thier sust. Have no worry about injecting once I do.