Pharmacom Testosteron bloods

[Klimmzugernie]

Hello guys,

So at the moment i am not sure how dissappointed i should be. The Test results of my current cycle are not as expected.

I am pinning since 4 years because of my prescribed TRT.

Usually at 250mg e7d (jenapharm Testosteron enanthate out of pharmacy) i got 1233ng/ml 30h After Last pin and 620 After 5 days.

I Switched to Eifelfango (prescribed and bought in pharmacy) because it is cheaper and has 1.1-1.2ml in the single dose vial. So i pinned 250mg (one Single Dose vial) e3d. After 2.5 days/60h i drawed bloods with 32.4ng/ml.

I am writing this because i would like to give you as much information as I can to give you guys a full picture of my responder behavior.

I continued the eifelfango cycle until 14th of july. At the 16th of july my @Pharmacom Labs order arrived so I directly started my bulking cycle with 150mg Test E and 75mg NPP ed. That means a weekly dose of 1050 mg Testosteron and 525 mg of NPP a week. I am taking half of a pill of pharmacom exemestane eod. I currently miss weight gains and big power increases. So I decide to draw bloods again at the 13th of August 24 hours after Last pin. The result is pretty low in my opinion.
So maybe I I'll redo bloods next week maybe I was not s accurate in filling the syringe... 0.1ml is at least 10% of active agents. So this week I was very accurate and I will give it another chance. What do you think @RThoads @Pharmacom Helper @Pharmacom Labs

 

[Klimmzugernie]

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So as already said... I will re do bloods by next week and I think I won’t be wrong to expect something in the mid 50 to 60 region.

Would be frustrating to spend so much money for underdosed gear.
Maybe you can share your thoughts with me

 

[MisterSuperGod]

1233 ng/ml = 123300 ng/dl.

Pure, unadulterated fire!

 

[Klimmzugernie]

1233 ng/ml = 123300 ng/dl.

Pure, unadulterated fire!

Oh yes you are right 12,33ng/ml

 

[Den84]

44 ng/ml with 1050 mg/week test E in your opinion is a low value? In my opinion is a normal value... it is absolutely not a bad result

 

[JP1979]

So, your test level 4400 and your mad it's not 5000-6000?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

You shouldn't expect true linear results every time you double the dosage (or in this case, a little or 4x the dosage). You're pretty much where you should be at.

1233 ng/dl on 250 mg/wk
2466 ng/dl on 500 mg/wk
3699 ng/dl on 750 mg/wk
4932 ng/dl on 1000 mg/wk

 

[Klimmzugernie]

44 ng/ml with 1050 mg/week test E in your opinion is a low value? In my opinion is a normal value... it is absolutely not a bad result

So, your test level 4400 and your mad it's not 5000-6000?

Ok let me explain what my thoughts were.. so 250mg pharm grade each three day gave me the result of 32,4ng/dl. This is a weekly dose of 625mg.
Some math... divided with 1.25 the result should be 25,92ng/dl so if i simply double it Timmy actual dose without accumulating effects ist should be clearly over 50.
... while writing this... I recognize that this could be ridiculous 44 oder 54... maybe you are right and it is not worth to talk about that.

If you say it is a normal value I am ok with that but based on m math I think it should be higher.

And no I am not mad or want to fingerpoint to pharmacom I am just interested in your feedback and wanted to share my results with the community

 

[Klimmzugernie]

While you shouldn't expect linear results every time you double the dosage (or in this case, a little or 4x the dosage) that's pretty much where you should be at if you're following a linear model.

1233 ng/dl on 250 mg/wk
2466 ng/dl on 500 mg/wk
3699 ng/dl on 750 mg/wk
4932 ng/dl on 1000 mg/wk

That’s exactly the case that it is not linear because due to the ester the results should be even higher due to accumulating effects.

 

[rugerjitsu]

Levels will stop accumulating after a few weeks, but that's besides the point.

My feedback? I bet your gear is properly dosed.

 

[Klimmzugernie]

Levels will stop accumulating after a few weeks, but that's besides the point.

My feedback? I bet your gear is properly dosed.

Ya you might be right ... in germany my mum would say "du hörst schon wieder die Flöhe husten"

As I already mentioned at this dose 0.1ml less in syringe would result in 270mg instead of 300mg and clearing out the air some drops will be lost as well and at some injects oil comes out as well. So it is hard to judge about correct dosed gear by bloods. To much influence factors...

 

[JP1979]

Ya you might be right ... in germany my mum would say "du hörst schon wieder die Flöhe husten"

As I already mentioned at this dose 0.1ml less in syringe would result in 270mg instead of 300mg and clearing out the air some drops will be lost as well and at some injects oil comes out as well. So it is hard to judge about correct dosed gear by bloods. To much influence factors...

I mean, my TRT dose is 175mg a week and nets me a 1000 level if I take 4xs that likely my level will not be 4000. The math isn't that simple

 

[Tinytim]

Its not the gear. I cant tolerate the EO they use, however in the past i never had an issue. I doubt its underdosed, over probably

 

[Klimmzugernie]

Its not the gear. I cant tolerate the EO they use, however in the past i never had an issue. I doubt its underdosed, over probably

Cannot imagine that an intolerance of eo can result in „low“ blood serums. I just heared that some pain and flu feelings can be a symptom of intolerance against eo

 

[RThoads]

Sounds like you have good results -- I do not see any problem.
As was mentioned, dosages to bloods is not linear. Also, SHBG and other adaptation change as dosages increase.

However, none of that even matters to me because i put very little (nearly zero) value in blood work as an analytical method; everyone is so different and metabolizes drugs differently that blood work is just "bro-science" in terms of determining product quality. Two guys can take the exact same dosage from the exact same vial and get drastically different blood results. I have had a client that get nearly 10x while myself I get 3x to 4x blood work TT vs my weekly mg dosage.

this goes for all physiological values -- such as estrogen etc. Two guys can take the same exact dosage from the same exact vial and one guy will have low E2 while the other may have extremely high E2 -- one guy can take a gram of tren and no side effect while another can not touch even 100mg -- we are all just very different.

Blood work also will not show any info about impurities or % purity etc.

Only true analytic methods will yield meaningful data.

This far, Pharmacom has an EXCELLENT track record across independent 3rd party HPLC (such as Anabolic Lab), internal HPLCs (the source's own quality control and checking raws to make sure LARGE purchases of raws are up to the standard), and customer posted HPLC results.

In additional of the numerous excellent results over the year, anyone that follows the source can also see that @Pharmacom Labs has readily, openly, and voluntarily posted to announce if/when the rare event the source finds a raw or product did not meet the highest standards (such as the case with caber a while back and recently the new tesofensine -- product got pulled).

With tens of thousands of happy customer world-wide, a track record of total open communication and proactive announcements, and the hundreds of excellent HPLC results available, it is clear that Pharmacom Labs is of the highest possible quality.
Therefore, I am confident your product is excellent @Klimmzugernie

 

[Klimmzugernie]

Sounds like you have good results -- I do not see any problem.
As was mentioned, dosages to bloods is not linear. Also, SHBG and other adaptation change as dosages increase.

However, none of that even matters to me because i put very little (nearly zero) value in blood work as an analytical method; everyone is so different and metabolizes drugs differently that blood work is just "bro-science" in terms of determining product quality. Two guys can take the exact same dosage from the exact same vial and get drastically different blood results. I have had a client that get nearly 10x while myself I get 3x to 4x blood work TT vs my weekly mg dosage.

this goes for all physiological values -- such as estrogen etc. Two guys can take the same exact dosage from the same exact vial and one guy will have low E2 while the other may have extremely high E2 -- one guy can take a gram of tren and no side effect while another can not touch even 100mg -- we are all just very different.

Blood work also will not show any info about impurities or % purity etc.

Only true analytic methods will yield meaningful data.

This far, Pharmacom has an EXCELLENT track record across independent 3rd party HPLC (such as Anabolic Lab), internal HPLCs (the source's own quality control and checking raws to make sure LARGE purchases of raws are up to the standard), and customer posted HPLC results.

In additional of the numerous excellent results over the year, anyone that follows the source can also see that @Pharmacom Labs has readily, openly, and voluntarily posted to announce if/when the rare event the source finds a raw or product did not meet the highest standards (such as the case with caber a while back and recently the new tesofensine -- product got pulled).

With tens of thousands of happy customer world-wide, a track record of total open communication and proactive announcements, and the hundreds of excellent HPLC results available, it is clear that Pharmacom Labs is of the highest possible quality.
Therefore, I am confident your product is excellent @Klimmzugernie

Hey my friend, I am aware and completely on your page. Maybe i was to fast to call out the possibility of underdosed gear.

I also had the very strange result in the past of pinning 300mg of pharmacom Test e maybe to fast.. i felt the pain in my lungs but no blood while aspirating.. dran blood 6h later and got a total Testosteron of 256ng/ml ... for sure the result was non Sense because it is equal to 7grams of gear ... so yes i agree to all of your points After considering all facts an think about it.

Cheers

 

[murray312]

I got 650 from 250,mgs a week and the lab i was using bitched at me for complaining. Those aren't bad numbers.

 

[Klimmzugernie]

Ok i would like to complete the topic here. Pinned yesterday 0.5 ml Test E 300 and 0.7ml NPP at 11pm in my right glute. Today draw bloods again at 3:30pm and already got the result at 6 o clock. 85ng/ml.
So this underlines the answer from @RThoads that bloods are not a accurate tool to judge about the correct dosages of gear.
It seems so that the target muscle and the injection apeed decides about blood levels especially in a daly pinning routine.


Thank you pharmacom to be a trustable drug seller

 

[JP1979]

I got 650 from 250,mgs a week and the lab i was using bitched at me for complaining. Those aren't bad numbers.

Which lab was that?

 

[Klimmzugernie]

I got 650 from 250,mgs a week and the lab i was using bitched at me for complaining. Those aren't bad numbers.

Can you tell me the time between the injection and the date you draw blood?