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Phreezer's First cycle FAQ
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birdmanbluebody3
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cost..??
around how much should this whole deal cost me .. say i do the third one and the post cycle to go with it. i found some dbol, its a lil over a dollar a day, is that average. bad, man i really have no idea. ive been lifting for some time and have no real problem gaining weight, i just want to be big and lean. thanks so much for all the info thus far.
around how much should this whole deal cost me .. say i do the third one and the post cycle to go with it. i found some dbol, its a lil over a dollar a day, is that average. bad, man i really have no idea. ive been lifting for some time and have no real problem gaining weight, i just want to be big and lean. thanks so much for all the info thus far.
Hey Pheezer, I was thinking of taking 500mg of sust a week but I was wondering, can I sub the 2nd sust shot a week with deca? That way Im only running say 550mg of testosterone week instead of 800mg. Or would I be wasting my time? I dont feel comfortable running that much juice. I dont want to worry about the side effects that much. Im super prone to gyno. Thanks
YOu could just take 250mg of test on monday and then 250 of test along with 300mg of deca on Thursday... that's how I would do it.. I don't know how you arrived at 800mg weekly of test ? . ? .
anyway.. if you're pron to gyno you should have some nolvadex on hand.. just in case..
anyway.. if you're pron to gyno you should have some nolvadex on hand.. just in case..
I got 800 by adding the deca like you suggest. 250+250+300=800. I was wondering if I went 250mg sust + 300mg deca = 550/wk would I be wasting my time? 215lbs 5'10 BF 12% I used novla last time and I still got some lite gyno, what gives? I took 25mg/day every morning the whole way through. Thats why I dont want to risk going on a higher dosage you know? I ran 250 enanthate + 200 deca a week, thats all. It was liquid nolva that I got off of here when we had the classifieds around. Was the novla bunk? or am I just super prone? Thanks. Oh yeah, I liked the results from the 450mg cycle. That was my 4th one.
well deca is not a form of test.... I don't know where you got that but it's very different.. You could run 375mg a week of test and 300mg Deca.. Take 250mg on Monday of test then on thursday take 125mg test and 300mg Deca..
I myself would think you need to bump the test up to 500mg weekly if you're going to be running deca.. but to each his own..
WRT to Gyno.. it could be that you are pron to Progestiron gyno.. IN which case Nolva wouldn't help you no matter how much you took.. See deca converts to progestiron instead of estrogen (which is what test converts to) ... I don't have the time to completely explain this process but it is easily something you can search for..
Again.. Test is Not Deca.. you can't just combine it all and call it x amount of mg's weekly.. they are two very different compounds..
I myself would think you need to bump the test up to 500mg weekly if you're going to be running deca.. but to each his own..
WRT to Gyno.. it could be that you are pron to Progestiron gyno.. IN which case Nolva wouldn't help you no matter how much you took.. See deca converts to progestiron instead of estrogen (which is what test converts to) ... I don't have the time to completely explain this process but it is easily something you can search for..
Again.. Test is Not Deca.. you can't just combine it all and call it x amount of mg's weekly.. they are two very different compounds..
I need to learn to be more specific when I post. When I said total test I was emplying that all anabolic/androgenic synthedic chemicals are test, since that is what they look and act like in the body, or so Ive read. Im sorry I cant articulate enough, but if you would bare with me, how can I counter progesterone induced gynocomastia? Proviron? My body is converting too much to DHT? Would I still run the tamox for the test at 300/wk and however much for the DHT inhibitor? Or are my numbers too low to worry about? Should I just stay away from anything that aromatizes into DHT? Sorry to hijack the thread, would I be able to PM with anything further? Thanks.
Lol.. this thing is 6 pages long.. I doubt very seriously you could Hijack it at this point..
Anyway to answer your question.. Oestrogen is necessary for progesterone induced symptoms to occur... one way to avoid this is to keep oestrogen levels as low as possible to help avoid the acitivation of progesterone.. A good drug that will help with this is arimidex.. The amount of deca you'd be taking is low enough that this shouldn't be an issue however.. if you are hypersensitive to progesterone induced gyno you may want to run .5mg EOD of arimidex.. if you start to develop any puffiness or soreness in the nipples.. you should either discontine the use of deca for good or you may try increasing the amount of arimidex to .5mg ED... I would go with the former..
But again.. the doses you are talking about are fairly low and I wouldn't think you'd have that big of a problem..
Anyway to answer your question.. Oestrogen is necessary for progesterone induced symptoms to occur... one way to avoid this is to keep oestrogen levels as low as possible to help avoid the acitivation of progesterone.. A good drug that will help with this is arimidex.. The amount of deca you'd be taking is low enough that this shouldn't be an issue however.. if you are hypersensitive to progesterone induced gyno you may want to run .5mg EOD of arimidex.. if you start to develop any puffiness or soreness in the nipples.. you should either discontine the use of deca for good or you may try increasing the amount of arimidex to .5mg ED... I would go with the former..
But again.. the doses you are talking about are fairly low and I wouldn't think you'd have that big of a problem..
Wow what can I say, great information and to the point phreezer.
I have already posted my questions in couple of other threads but I will do so again.
I would like to use your second cycle based on what I have read here and in other posts. Deacon recommened pretty much the same sycle. My question is why should I not go straight for a tren/test cycle? Because of side effects only? I am looking to gain 10-15 lbs of lean muscle. I am 37 yo at 5 11 and 182 lbs.I am looking at this as a one time thing only, I wont be doing any more cycles a year later. Obviously I am not a bb. I want the mass gain to be quality, meaning I want to maintain the faint six pack I have. Oh yeah and I did a 4 week deca only cycle 17 months ago :-(
I have already posted my questions in couple of other threads but I will do so again.
I would like to use your second cycle based on what I have read here and in other posts. Deacon recommened pretty much the same sycle. My question is why should I not go straight for a tren/test cycle? Because of side effects only? I am looking to gain 10-15 lbs of lean muscle. I am 37 yo at 5 11 and 182 lbs.I am looking at this as a one time thing only, I wont be doing any more cycles a year later. Obviously I am not a bb. I want the mass gain to be quality, meaning I want to maintain the faint six pack I have. Oh yeah and I did a 4 week deca only cycle 17 months ago :-(
If all you want is a little mass gain and you can't get it from workout or diet tweeking.. I would simply go with 100mg Prop EOD for 7-8 weeks. That should do you nicely and would have minimum side effects.
take care,
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take care,
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Hey Phreezer, I was wondering if you could break down a beginner/intermediate cutting cycle for me. Haven't had much luck or clarity in searching the forum, as far as specifics go. My first four cycles of bulking were exactly what you posted in this thread, so I really appreciate and take heed on your advice. What do you suggest? And if I do decide another bulking, what can replace DECA because I hate deca?
alphaguy said:
Yes and No.. Test is test is test.. However, Prop has a much shorter half life and needs to be taken more frequant.. as such it does seem that a great many people report holding less water while using prop over enanthate or cypionate... (Not really sure how that could matter if you keep blood levels consistant.. but hey... who knows)
Prop has about a 48 hr half life where in cyp has about a 7-9 day half life... That's the main difference.. the length of time it spends in your body before being broken down..
Tren is not Test... it is VERY anabolic but as with every cycle.. test needs to be the base of every cycle.. Tren and Test is always a good choice for strength and a good choice for keeping muscle while in caloric deficit
Great info Phreezer! Keep up the good work, and post on bro!
Great thread!
Im new to the game and I am an older guy, 47, in great shape, workout every day, etc.
About five years ago I played around with a stack of test and primo and getting decent results.
A guy I was working out with said I should throw in some deca, which I did. I had a very bad reaction, which ended me up in the hospital. Needless to say I stayed clear of anything until Aug of this year 06. I started taking SerostimHGH. I am getting very little results and I am getting frustrated! I wont take insulin to dangerous. Im dancing around Masterbol which I have ordered and primobolin. Bottom line is I want to get a little more size and cut but just a bit. I want to be as safe as possible with no side effects. Im thinking masteror and/or primobolin. Please help! confused:
Im new to the game and I am an older guy, 47, in great shape, workout every day, etc.
About five years ago I played around with a stack of test and primo and getting decent results.
A guy I was working out with said I should throw in some deca, which I did. I had a very bad reaction, which ended me up in the hospital. Needless to say I stayed clear of anything until Aug of this year 06. I started taking SerostimHGH. I am getting very little results and I am getting frustrated! I wont take insulin to dangerous. Im dancing around Masterbol which I have ordered and primobolin. Bottom line is I want to get a little more size and cut but just a bit. I want to be as safe as possible with no side effects. Im thinking masteror and/or primobolin. Please help! confused:
freezingsebastian
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How offten would deca dick happen?
I read about deca dick here and got scared about it, so i decided to throw sustano to the 1 cycle right in the middle.
So here what I think would work, this is a 7 week cycle of deca alone so for weeks 3,4,5. I decided to add sustanon 250ml per week only for those 3 weeks and then start coming off dec and start HCG 5000ui day one and day 2 and 3 1500ui and after that clomid 100mg 1 day and 50 mg there after.
I dont know if this makes much sense but any halp will be very halpfull, I also think having nolvadex in hand would be great.
HELP!!
I read about deca dick here and got scared about it, so i decided to throw sustano to the 1 cycle right in the middle.
So here what I think would work, this is a 7 week cycle of deca alone so for weeks 3,4,5. I decided to add sustanon 250ml per week only for those 3 weeks and then start coming off dec and start HCG 5000ui day one and day 2 and 3 1500ui and after that clomid 100mg 1 day and 50 mg there after.
I dont know if this makes much sense but any halp will be very halpfull, I also think having nolvadex in hand would be great.
HELP!!
Naudo11
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Hey Phreezer,
I started a deca ony cycle before i found this web site. Anyhow, I would like to do a PCT of clomi and/or tamox . . .Any suggestions for dosages. Or when I should start the PCT.
Naudo11
I started a deca ony cycle before i found this web site. Anyhow, I would like to do a PCT of clomi and/or tamox . . .Any suggestions for dosages. Or when I should start the PCT.
Naudo11
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Naudo11 said:
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