Please stop saying Anavar is a mild drug…

[BabaJagga]

I think HGH stresses kidney far more than var or test. I went from like .6 to .85 when I started using that shit.

blah blah intraglomerular kidney pressure, etc.

I'd dump GH a few weeks before testing imo.

interesting. tbh i started hgh at 2iu end of july and increased slowly to 4iu. could be factor also.

anyway, next week i should have results from bloodwork. will see.

but as you can see from my results, liver stress was minimal, lipid profile did even improve. 8 weeks at 50mg daily.

 

[explodingHeart]

interesting. tbh i started hgh at 2iu end of july and increased slowly to 4iu. could be factor also.

anyway, next week i should have results from bloodwork. will see.

but as you can see from my results, liver stress was minimal, lipid profile did even improve. 8 weeks at 50mg daily.

I think OP is a bit freaked out over @ChemBB having a heart attack at 30 from clogged artery.

It's a valid concern. But for most, high LDL let's say over 150 is gonna take until ages 50-70 to have a CVE.

Most roided guys are under 40 and are YOLO af, so don't care about that shit.

 

[RockyP]

Anything that increases BP can impact kidney numbers. So for some it could be the GH (if it raises your BP), for others it could be other compounds, or combination of the above.

 

[RockyP]

I think OP is a bit freaked out over @ChemBB having a heart attack at 30 from clogged artery.

It's a valid concern. But for most, high LDL let's say over 150 is gonna take until ages 50-70 to have a CVE.

Most roided guys are under 40 and are YOLO af, so don't care about that shit.

This is absolutely incorrect on all grounds. I can’t tell if you are trolling or just stupid (or both). The medical literature is crystal clear about controlling LDL as early as possible. Again, blind leading the blind…

 

[explodingHeart]

This is absolutely incorrect on all grounds. I can’t tell if you are trolling or just stupid (or both). The medical literature is crystal clear about controlling LDL as early as possible. Again, blind leading the blind…

I'm well aware how LDL works, I was white-pilling on statins when I first start posting here.

I'm saying people don't care about tomorrow and LDL takes a long fucking time to clog your arteries. Hence why var is seen as safe.

As for GH, it uniquely puts pressure on the kidneys aside from the BP increase.

 

[RockyP]

I'm saying people don't care about tomorrow and LDL takes a long fucking time to clog your arteries. Hence why var is seen as safe.

Again, this is entirely 100% factually incorrect. A quick search on this board can enlighten you. But if you choose to keep believing this it’s totally your call.

 

[explodingHeart]

Again, this is entirely 100% factually incorrect. A quick search on this board can enlighten you. But if you choose to keep believing this it’s totally your call.

bro my ldl is 30 without drugs. I can eat pig lard or take orals and be under 40 ldl, I personally don't care. My dad literally eats sticks of butter and has a 60 LDL. Genetics.

 

[Slowww]

I think OP is a bit freaked out over @ChemBB having a heart attack at 30 from clogged artery.

It's a valid concern. But for most, high LDL let's say over 150 is gonna take until ages 50-70 to have a CVE.

Most roided guys are under 40 and are YOLO af, so don't care about that shit.

I don’t think most juicers are YOLO at all. A lot of us have normal lives. People to look after and we need to take care of ourselves. Of course there is a certain level of risk, but for guys who started well into adulthood lumping everyone together seems a bit odd. I only know one guy who is a retard with his gear. Everyone else is very conscious about health and maintaining it

 

[RockyP]

I don’t think most juicers are YOLO at all. A lot of us have normal lives. People to look after and we need to take care of ourselves. Of course there is a certain level of risk, but for guys who started well into adulthood lumping everyone together seems a bit odd. I only know one guy who is a retard with his gear. Everyone else is very conscious about health and maintaining it

Agreed. The comment about people being YOLO is likely more about the poster than anything else.

 

[Stealth500]

I don’t think most juicers are YOLO at all.

I know a few, and they are doing it for the wrong reasons. Most of them are also abusing other substances aswell.

 

[Slowww]

bro my ldl is 30 without drugs. I can eat pig lard or take orals and be under 40 ldl, I personally don't care. My dad literally eats sticks of butter and has a 60 LDL. Genetics.

Bro exactly genetics are such a huge factor. Some guys run 300 test and their BP is 140/90 some run over a gram and it’s 120/75. Health outcomes can be vastly different and while some people might have some issues with certain compounds, that has damn near zero to do with a response that can be measured in the individual

 

[BabaJagga]

I think OP is a bit freaked out over @ChemBB having a heart attack at 30 from clogged artery.

It's a valid concern. But for most, high LDL let's say over 150 is gonna take until ages 50-70 to have a CVE.

Most roided guys are under 40 and are YOLO af, so don't care about that shit.

i can understand that, BUT....

im not a fan of "lifesaviour" complex some people have. i belive that everybody should be able to do whatever they desire. i think way to go is to inform people, in neutral way. so, i, you, anybody can make informed decision, value pros/cons of given compound and use or not use it.

this whole thread is "reddit like" imo. but i dont care much personally. i just have my own, very recent experience and wanted to share it togeather with bloodwork results.

 

[RockyP]

i can understand that, BUT....

im not a fan of "lifesaviour" complex some people have. i belive that everybody should be able to do whatever they desire. i think way to go is to inform people, in neutral way. so, i, you, anybody can make informed decision, value pros/cons of given compound and use or not use it.

this whole thread is "reddit like" imo. but i dont care much personally. i just have my own, very recent experience and wanted to share it togeather with bloodwork results.

Yea. This thread has gone off the rails. Seems to happen often when guys who are being reckless feel called out with topics like this. Then there’s guys who (seriously) feel empowered by taking high dosages. I mean that’s fine. Who cares. But some people come to this board for actual information and it’s been my experience that anavar is very often mentioned by newbs and others looking to “throw it in” to their cycles because they think it’s harmless. My intention was to point out that this is entirely false. And as often happens, legit discussion gets mixed with teenager comments, brain dead remarks, LARPing, and other noise.

 

[BabaJagga]

Bro exactly genetics are such a huge factor. Some guys run 300 test and their BP is 140/90 some run over a gram and it’s 120/75. Health outcomes can be vastly different and while some people might have some issues with certain compounds, that has damn near zero to do with a response that can be measured in the individual

agree. my dad has genetic hearth issue, lvh, thickening of walls. something like that.
he is maxed on bp meds for years and his lowest bp is 140/90.

i had genetic test done and i didnt inherit it from him. i have chorincly low bp. like 100-110 / 55-65. just had 50mg of anadrol with 70mg tne and 4x small espresso before workout, my bp after was 113/58.

 

[RockyP]

agree. my dad has genetic hearth issue, lvh, thickening of walls. something like that.
he is maxed on bp meds for years and his lowest bp is 140/90.

i had genetic test done and i didnt inherit it from him. i have chorincly low bp. like 100-110 / 55-65. just had 50mg of anadrol with 70mg tne and 4x small espresso before workout, my bp after was 113/58.

The most important thing is that you KNOW this. You did your homework. Got tested. You’re not flying blind. That’s the goal.

 

[BabaJagga]

Yea. This thread has gone off the rails. Seems to happen often when guys who are being reckless feel called out with topics like this. Then there’s guys who (seriously) feel empowered by taking high dosages. I mean that’s fine. Who cares. But some people come to this board for actual information and it’s been my experience that anavar is very often mentioned by newbs and others looking to “throw it in” to their cycles because they think it’s harmless. My intention was to point out that this is entirely false. And as often happens, legit discussion gets mixed with teenager comments, brain dead remarks, LARPing, and other noise.

yes, this happens often. you sparked up heated debate. but there are 2 main threads about var already, you could have posted there and it would serve new guys better than one new thread that will get lost in week.

 

[ChemBB]

To give a counter-point:

My wife has been on 20-30mg Anavar for something like 8 years?
(Occasionally cycled with Dbol, once tried Winny, once tried Sdrol)

Her liver and lipids are fine. So it really just depends on your genetics and oral response.

I can run orals all year, even harsher ones, and my ALT/AST/GGT won't move an inch.

(Unfortunately, not anymore, because my lipids respond like most peoples. Only will take low-dose Var from now on in brief stints.)

 

[explodingHeart]

Agreed. The comment about people being YOLO is likely more about the poster than anything else.

You're tilting at windmills. I'm 40 and been TRT levels for a while. And i was referencing typical roiders outside this board.

 

[aleo]

Would be great to see some studies that show the impact on kidneys rather than anecdotal evidence both ways. My 2p is that anavar is metabolised in the liver but more than most orals is excreted and processed through the kidneys and excreted in the urine so it's the extra work required by the kidneys rather than it being directly nephrotoxic.

 

[BabaJagga]

The most important thing is that you KNOW this. You did your homework. Got tested. You’re not flying blind. That’s the goal.

ofc i did the test. insurance even paid for that, cost is around 4-5k€ and it took 4 months to know the results. it was green light for me to start juice.