RockyP
Member
Pls search.
Try oxandrolone ATN.
Drug companies aren’t doing RTCs on these drugs. Do we need studies to prove Halo’s toxicity? Or Tren?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Please stop saying Anavar is a mild drug…
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Try oxandrolone ATN.
Drug companies aren’t doing RTCs on these drugs. Do we need studies to prove Halo’s toxicity? Or Tren?
Nunya
Member
Sadly, short attention spans aren't limited to today's youth; their brains have been profoundly affected by device use and social media algorithms for sure, but it affects all of us :/
We are living Idiocracy; who knew that movie would be so prescient
Nunya
Member
You'd be better off hopping on a GLP
leepriest_doshapemontado
Member
like me
creatinine 1.37
TFGE 68 mL/min
but
cistatin C 0.748mg/L
TFG (Larsson) 111mL/min
Nunya
Member
FWIW I ran 2.5mg var for several months earlier this year and it didn't change my bloodwork values. LDL was a bit too high at the start, and at the finish. Triglycerides and HDL were low at the start, and at the finish.
I'm a woman, and it's wild to me how many women are either told, or jump in to massive doses when a LOW dose can accomplish so much. It made my life better in almost every regard. Reynaud's? Gone. I'll cycle it again this winter for that alone. Dry skin? Gone. Gym performance up? Yes. Libido up? Yes.
BUT, I for sure had a bit of hair loss. I for sure had a scratchy throat, which cleared up once I stopped.
AND, I wouldn't hop on again without proper support. Genetically I was dealt a crap card and have an elevated Ca score, and am on a statin and repatha now.
While taking var didn't change my lipid values, I wouldn't recommend people hop on any of the stuff being discussed on these forums without LEARNING first. And that means use the g*d search function instead of asking asinine questions. There's a difference between being stupid and being ignorant. The search function will help with ONE of those two things
Also at the end of the day we all get to assess our own risk tolerance. We're all gonna die, life is essentially meaningless except for the meaning you ascribe to it, so go for it, YOLO. Just be prepared to have stupidity stomped on around here.
When I joined I was ignorant and thought the older members were a bunch of a holes who enjoyed slapping down the ignorant. Now I get it. And enjoy watching and participating in the slap downs once in a while lol.
That includes watching members who come in with a savior complex get slapped around like a stink bug.
I'm a woman, and it's wild to me how many women are either told, or jump in to massive doses when a LOW dose can accomplish so much. It made my life better in almost every regard. Reynaud's? Gone. I'll cycle it again this winter for that alone. Dry skin? Gone. Gym performance up? Yes. Libido up? Yes.
BUT, I for sure had a bit of hair loss. I for sure had a scratchy throat, which cleared up once I stopped.
AND, I wouldn't hop on again without proper support. Genetically I was dealt a crap card and have an elevated Ca score, and am on a statin and repatha now.
While taking var didn't change my lipid values, I wouldn't recommend people hop on any of the stuff being discussed on these forums without LEARNING first. And that means use the g*d search function instead of asking asinine questions. There's a difference between being stupid and being ignorant. The search function will help with ONE of those two things
Also at the end of the day we all get to assess our own risk tolerance. We're all gonna die, life is essentially meaningless except for the meaning you ascribe to it, so go for it, YOLO. Just be prepared to have stupidity stomped on around here.
When I joined I was ignorant and thought the older members were a bunch of a holes who enjoyed slapping down the ignorant. Now I get it. And enjoy watching and participating in the slap downs once in a while lol.
That includes watching members who come in with a savior complex get slapped around like a stink bug.
Wizbang
Member
preach.Sadly, short attention spans aren't limited to today's youth; their brains have been profoundly affected by device use and social media algorithms for sure, but it affects all of us :/
We are living Idiocracy; who knew that movie would be so prescient
Bandern
Banned for using multiple active alt accounts
No he’s been preaching about how he’s scared of drugs and we should be too since he joined
Nunya
Member
He should've joined a flower arranging forum maybe. Watch out for the bees that can hide in those flowers tho, those suckers'll get ya
54 here with a calcium score. I take it seriously. I love Anadrol much more than Anavar.
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
OP is being retarded and going off a small sample size.
There are countless reasons why people on MAX dose of anavar would have worsening kidney function, usually they maxed out other things or went overboard.
Angiotensin levels skyrocket, were they even on ancillaries? Water retention/stress from hgh as well?
Again, there is no literature off of it affecting kidney function.
That's why he is just telling us to search the forums. He has nothing outer than what is pulling out of his ass
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
After the recent event that just happened??? Jesus dude... I wouldn't to touch any oral like that ever agan
dinfar1337
New Member
its like his dog found his anavar, ate his bottle of anavar, then died...
rip fakenattydoggy 2017 - 2025
Tdeck81
Banned
I’ve read enough to know glp’s are a better solution, but was curious if were detailed studies regarding the visceral fat loss via Anavar. I get it’s not designed specifically for that purpose, but nevertheless I’m still curious. Appreciate the suggestion though
BigDadd7
Member
It's overhyped. If you're sub10-11ish, you might see some. The mythos has grown it to the point where someone with 20+% bf will magically lose visceral fat.
Stealth500
Member
booger sugar, whiskey, nsaids and cigarettes
ChemBB
Member
Yeah, I'm fairly well read on anabolic pharmacology.
Oxandrolone is extraordinarily safe relative to the average oral.
My thoughts are with Goodlabs offering ~$10 lipid panels, no reason I can't get a weekly readout if I start Var and stop if my lipids move
adrenalytic
Member
Yes, there is pretty strong evidence of this.
See this: Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men - PubMed
From the Abstract:
Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity.
Tdeck81
Banned
Thank you. I’ve noticed things tend to get overstated regarding peds. But I’ll be honest, the test and deca I’ve been taking, although only briefly, has been surprisingly effective for me. I’m fairly certain continuing with this combination will be sufficient for my goals.
Mastedon
Member
@RockyP I feel like I get your point about this thread (maybe I'm wrong). Anavar can absolutely mess with lipids and probably other markers as well.
Some people will do labs and not be impacted or have a negligible impact maybe offset by ancillaries. Lucky bastards but I do not think this thread was specifically directed at them.
Some people will have fucked up labs and think they are still ok to take it...and that is their choice.
Some people will have fucked up labs, tell themselves their labs are ok in order to feel better about taking it or other drugs...and that is their choice
Some people are drug addicts and will take drugs regardless of the harm to themselves or others.
People are free to do what they want in this regard and the way I read your post was not directed at people who do labs and are not negatively impacted but rather at newcomers who might see all the hype about it being mild and go for it without thinking that "mild in relation to xyz" can still be bad for them.
If this forum is about harm reduction I think your post was meant to be aligned with that mentality. People just get defensive if they feel they are being called out even if they weren't but it's their perception that drives their actions.
Some people will do labs and not be impacted or have a negligible impact maybe offset by ancillaries. Lucky bastards but I do not think this thread was specifically directed at them.
Some people will have fucked up labs and think they are still ok to take it...and that is their choice.
Some people will have fucked up labs, tell themselves their labs are ok in order to feel better about taking it or other drugs...and that is their choice
Some people are drug addicts and will take drugs regardless of the harm to themselves or others.
People are free to do what they want in this regard and the way I read your post was not directed at people who do labs and are not negatively impacted but rather at newcomers who might see all the hype about it being mild and go for it without thinking that "mild in relation to xyz" can still be bad for them.
If this forum is about harm reduction I think your post was meant to be aligned with that mentality. People just get defensive if they feel they are being called out even if they weren't but it's their perception that drives their actions.
Banana Joe
Member
All this is saying is that *androgen* therapy achieved that, when ran by "older men with low testosterone levels".
Do you think the outcome would have been any different, if they were given 70-100mg of test?
It also speaks of effects on "peripheral adipose tissue", so we can't simply assume that Var, will have a greater effect on visceral fat, than it has on subcutaneous fat, and even less that no other androgen, with a good safety profile, will not achieve the same effect if dosed comparatively.
I even suspect that test would have had a more favourable outcome in the same study, in terms of lipids.
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