AlexDavis43
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in-fucking-deed
no one cares if a source tells readalot or ghoul to fuck off, but if you can't handle photon, allgoodthings, and sampei, Meso might not be the best match for your business model or acumen
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no one cares if a source tells readalot or ghoul to fuck off, but if you can't handle photon, allgoodthings, and sampei, Meso might not be the best match for your business model or acumen
monster8912
Member
Hilarious how invested people are here yet claim to not buy from primal.
crispybacon!
Member
@Primal_Pharma - are you still planning to move to volumetric flasks, larger equipment, and true homogeneous batches? If so, when?
There was a recent report of two samples of Test U 250 from the same batch coming in at >50mg apart.
Tbaz192
Member
Yall can’t blame the same few people for trying to set a standard here and hold others accountable.
Seeing these guys trying to set a new standard for sources is a breathe of fresh air.
It’s honestly great.
They’re helping people they don’t even know.
Including me with other shit and they don’t know me.
Bros before hoes yall. Come on.
Seeing these guys trying to set a new standard for sources is a breathe of fresh air.
It’s honestly great.
They’re helping people they don’t even know.
Including me with other shit and they don’t know me.
Bros before hoes yall. Come on.
I get it, you're making more than you thought possible. But all we ask is product tested. Why is this so hard for you? If it's not tested, mark it as such.
AllGoodThings
Member
The reason for the "noise" is there are some people here still trying to hold you to the standards you set for yourself. It's disappointing that you consider this noise. You should look at it as a reminder of your opening post in this thread, people who would absolutely LOVE to see a source governed by the principles and driving factors mentioned in your first post. Here's a large copy paste of that opening post;
Primal Pharma is a U.S based laboratory dedicated to setting the benchmark in high-performance supplementation. We are here to deliver pharmaceutical-grade compounds you can depend on, crafted with precision, integrity, and an unwavering commitment to excellence.
We are entering with a clear purpose: to set a higher standard and lead the way in performance supplementation. We are not here to follow trends. We are here to redefine them. Our approach is anchored in uncompromising quality, complete transparency, and an unrelenting drive to elevate expectations at every level. From day one, our commitment has been to earn your trust by delivering consistent, measurable results and standing behind every product we create. We don’t just aim to participate in this space—we intend to set the pace and become the benchmark by which others are measured.
Every product is developed by experienced professionals who hold themselves to the highest standards. We source only premium raw materials and apply rigorous manufacturing protocols to ensure maximum purity, stability, and bioavailability across our entire line of oral and injectable compounds.
Accountability is at the heart of everything we do. Primal Pharma is proud to be the most compound-tested company straight out of the gate. We strongly encourage independent blind testing and bloodwork, offering store credit incentives to customers who share their results. Your feedback not only validates our products but drives our continuous improvement as we hold ourselves to the highest expectations.
SHIPPING
Fast, secure delivery is a cornerstone of our service. Our fulfillment times are among the fastest in the industry—ALL orders are prepared within 24 hours and dispatched Monday through Saturday to ensure prompt arrival within 2–4 business days. Every shipment is packaged discreetly with advanced stealth measures to protect your privacy.
SUPPORT
Our support team is dedicated to clear, professional communication. Whether you need assistance with an order, have questions about our products, or want guidance to optimize your results, you can count on prompt, knowledgeable support every step of the way. We also strongly encourage the community to communicate openly and honestly with us about any products you’d like to see added to our lineup, so we can continue to evolve and meet your needs.
OUR ONLY EMAIL - support@primalpharma.io - We will NEVER contact you first. Feel free to message us here to ensure you are not being scammed.
Primal Pharma stands ready to be your trusted partner—rooted in respect, accountability, and a shared commitment to progress. We believe that delivering real results requires more than quality products; it demands a relationship built on transparency and a dedication to helping you reach your goals. We are here to walk alongside you every step of the way, providing the guidance, support, and reliability you deserve. We look forward to earning your confidence and demonstrating, order after order, what it means to have a resource you can truly depend on. We are a company built by the community, for the community.
Now THIS is a source I would give pretty much all of my business! Reading that actually gets me pumped up a little, no joke. I desperately want a source that lives up to this. I think we're pretty darn close to having a few sources like this, and the sad thing is, Primal isn't one of the sources that closing in on this standard. To be absolutely fair, the SHIPPING section you've absolutely nailed, and have at least lived up to the standard you've set for yourselves, and then some. Your SUPPORT is also exceptional, and you're very generous in resolving issues. Good job on those.
As for the "few mistakes" that keep getting brought up, that's because you've failed to address the underlying issues that are causing these mistakes to reoccur. These mistakes are not in the distant past, and as I said, many are likely to continue to occur until changes are made. Those new to the thread have a right to know about these mistakes because they continue to occur. Please don't forget, this is a harm reduction forum after all. If you fixed these issues, and the community started to see consistent test results that line up closely with your own test results, people would absolutely stop bringing these issues up. You can't start earning trust back when people are still seeing huge discrepancies in test results from vial to vial within the same batch. Since you haven't been entirely transparent about your brewing process and how batches are made, we can't know why there have been such ridiculous variances amongst different vials from the same "batch", including a very recent test of your Test U that had one vial measure at the claimed concentration of API, and the next vial was 25% under dosed.
This would be a huge step forward, and if it's actually implemented correctly, would all but eliminate variances within the same batch.
newguy2
Member
Nah some of us do still purchase, but also just want you to keep your word. This two things can exist together.
Photon
Member
Pretty dam accurate actually.
<1% variance!
Good job.
200mg/ml!
<1% variance!
Good job.
200mg/ml!
delay3s
Member
Stop comparing yourself to other sources if you want to be the best. Instead of justifying your mistakes by comparing it to others that have made worse, learn from your mistakes and become better. Sure some people talk shit just for the fun of it and are annoying but most people only give criticism to make you better and the forum safer
Just my $0.02
AlexDavis43
Member
Homebrewers have been making consistent gear without volumetric flasks since forever
that's a false flag to be chasing
I haven't followed the drama enough to explain the variability in Primal's gear but not using volumetric flasks isn't it
newguy2
Member
He confessed at one point that a batch was not actually a batch but multiple batches with the same recipe. So folks were pushing for a bigger flask that could hold one large homogeneous batch. At least that was my understanding.
crispybacon!
Member
I would argue that “volumetric flasks, larger equipment, and true homogeneous batches” do provide more consistency. But leaving that aside for now, the question I’m asking Primal is whether they going to follow through on their words.
Photon
Member
I'm going to stop visiting this thread, except to repost this daily.
Please direct any new joiners to this post.
Please re-post as necessary as well.
Beware, vendor (1) constantly lies, (2) sells contaminated, (3) under-dosed products which doesn't match vendor's own testing. If purchasing, please do BOTH HPLC and GCMS on products before usage.
(1) Test U 250 - > 3rd party tested as contaminated 200mg/ml. Used same batch numbers, for 2 different brews with different mg/ml.
(2) Primo - Claimed to brew using raws, multiple times, only to be caught reselling China Primo for US Dom prices.
(3) TestC250 -> 3rd party tested, multiple vials under-dosed as 220mg/ml to 230mg/ml. Different brews, different mg/ml, same batch number.
(4) MastP200 -> 3rd party tested under-dosed as 153mg/ml.
(5) TRE400 -> 2 different batches, both 3rd party tested to both be contaminated with dissolved brewing equipment.
(6) TC50 -> Female Test Cyp 50, multiple 3rd party testing as 62mg/ml.
(7) Adrol50 -> 3rd party tested as 30mg/ml.
(8) EQ300/EQ500 -> Multiple vials of EQ brewed using different set of raws of different colors using same batch number with only 1 test. Claims to send raws for testing, waited for results, only to admit nothing was sent and that a new batch was coming. (What was actually sold?)
So you sent it..waited for results..then apparently did not send it and now have a new batch you are sending out?
Please direct any new joiners to this post.
Please re-post as necessary as well.
Beware, vendor (1) constantly lies, (2) sells contaminated, (3) under-dosed products which doesn't match vendor's own testing. If purchasing, please do BOTH HPLC and GCMS on products before usage.
(1) Test U 250 - > 3rd party tested as contaminated 200mg/ml. Used same batch numbers, for 2 different brews with different mg/ml.
primals test undecanoate, pretty consistent....
(2) Primo - Claimed to brew using raws, multiple times, only to be caught reselling China Primo for US Dom prices.
MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'
(3) TestC250 -> 3rd party tested, multiple vials under-dosed as 220mg/ml to 230mg/ml. Different brews, different mg/ml, same batch number.
(4) MastP200 -> 3rd party tested under-dosed as 153mg/ml.
(5) TRE400 -> 2 different batches, both 3rd party tested to both be contaminated with dissolved brewing equipment.
(6) TC50 -> Female Test Cyp 50, multiple 3rd party testing as 62mg/ml.
(7) Adrol50 -> 3rd party tested as 30mg/ml.
(8) EQ300/EQ500 -> Multiple vials of EQ brewed using different set of raws of different colors using same batch number with only 1 test. Claims to send raws for testing, waited for results, only to admit nothing was sent and that a new batch was coming. (What was actually sold?)
MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'
So you sent it..waited for results..then apparently did not send it and now have a new batch you are sending out?
Photon
Member
His definition of a batch is "anything produced within a fixed period of time under the same conditions or something" -- I don't remember the specific wordings.
How many different sets of raws or brews/beakers/filters is irrelevant, they are all the same batch and require just one batch number and test.
i'm out guys, enjoy yourself.
He's lied so many times..can you guys even trust what quality oil he is using at this point..
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hellerhiwater
Member
do you have more recent testing on the npp200, or is it the same batch from may 2025? if so, did this batch avoid the stopper issue somehow?
Smokeythabear
Member
The "private" talk sounds like a retreat because the noise is getting to you. We get it, but going dark just lets the critics win. You’ve nailed the easy stuff, shipping is the fastest on the board and your support is solid. But fast shipping doesn't build a legacy; vial-to-vial consistency does.
Reverse Benchmark the "Standard"
The industry standard is to deflect bad tests or blame the user. To actually be the benchmark, you have to do the opposite of the pack:
Remove the Steel Curtain: Most sources hide their process. You have mostly been transparent when prompted. Stop telling us you’re the best and start showing it on the technical side. That 25% variance in the Test U is a fixable error/issue, not "noise." Address the variance and fix, not the drama. Ensure how it doesn’t happen again…Answer the critics with real solutions, not excuses.
The "Testing Pending" Standard: Stop selling a batch the second it’s brewed. Every raw and every finished batch needs to be tested/labeled properly/verified before it hits the menu. If you’re in a rush, mark it as "Testing Pending" so the guys know exactly what they’re buying. Transparency over speed.
Accountability is the Product: Those five people complaining are giving you a roadmap. Everyone else on the board is "good enough." You become undeniable by solving the one thing the others sources are too lazy to fix, ensuring the vial in a customer's hand actually matches the testing posted.
Don’t lean in anymore with the defensive posts. If you solve the variance and testing raws issues out in the open, the noise will take care of itself. You’ve got the opportunity to rise up now, don’t be soft bro.
Reverse Benchmark the "Standard"
The industry standard is to deflect bad tests or blame the user. To actually be the benchmark, you have to do the opposite of the pack:
Remove the Steel Curtain: Most sources hide their process. You have mostly been transparent when prompted. Stop telling us you’re the best and start showing it on the technical side. That 25% variance in the Test U is a fixable error/issue, not "noise." Address the variance and fix, not the drama. Ensure how it doesn’t happen again…Answer the critics with real solutions, not excuses.
The "Testing Pending" Standard: Stop selling a batch the second it’s brewed. Every raw and every finished batch needs to be tested/labeled properly/verified before it hits the menu. If you’re in a rush, mark it as "Testing Pending" so the guys know exactly what they’re buying. Transparency over speed.
Accountability is the Product: Those five people complaining are giving you a roadmap. Everyone else on the board is "good enough." You become undeniable by solving the one thing the others sources are too lazy to fix, ensuring the vial in a customer's hand actually matches the testing posted.
Don’t lean in anymore with the defensive posts. If you solve the variance and testing raws issues out in the open, the noise will take care of itself. You’ve got the opportunity to rise up now, don’t be soft bro.
Tbaz192
Member
Ooooof the post about these guys being noise just back fired 
I have his EQ 300 I’ve never done a jano test before … @Primal_Pharma
Earthworm Jim
Member
Waste of your time and peace brother you have better things to doI'm going to stop visiting this thread, except to repost this daily.
Please direct any new joiners to this post.
Please re-post as necessary as well.
Beware, vendor (1) constantly lies, (2) sells contaminated, (3) under-dosed products which doesn't match vendor's own testing. If purchasing, please do BOTH HPLC and GCMS on products before usage.
(1) Test U 250 - > 3rd party tested as contaminated 200mg/ml. Used same batch numbers, for 2 different brews with different mg/ml.
primals test undecanoate, pretty consistent....
(2) Primo - Claimed to brew using raws, multiple times, only to be caught reselling China Primo for US Dom prices.
MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'
(3) TestC250 -> 3rd party tested, multiple vials under-dosed as 220mg/ml to 230mg/ml. Different brews, different mg/ml, same batch number.
(4) MastP200 -> 3rd party tested under-dosed as 153mg/ml.
(5) TRE400 -> 2 different batches, both 3rd party tested to both be contaminated with dissolved brewing equipment.
(6) TC50 -> Female Test Cyp 50, multiple 3rd party testing as 62mg/ml.
(7) Adrol50 -> 3rd party tested as 30mg/ml.
(8) EQ300/EQ500 -> Multiple vials of EQ brewed using different set of raws of different colors using same batch number with only 1 test. Claims to send raws for testing, waited for results, only to admit nothing was sent and that a new batch was coming. (What was actually sold?)
MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'
So you sent it..waited for results..then apparently did not send it and now have a new batch you are sending out?
TheMoto
New Member
dude clearly has plenty of free time judging by that post….lol
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