SkullCrusher
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I’ve copied and edited this from my post in steroid spotlight because I think I’ll make a cycle log of it.
Background:
I’ve done 7 cycles in the past, test only, test and deca, test and winstrol, test and tren. However the last 9 years has just been TRT of 80-100mg cypionate a week.
Recently I did 5 weeks of Dbol - which was excellent on top of TRT - very strong PED - or perhaps with its 4 hour half life, it’s just it’s at steady state within 24 hours.
I started a primo cycle on May 8th. It’s gone like this:
Before May 5th: TRT of 100mg cypionate per week.
May 5th: 250mg Sustanon (major shortage of cypionate and Enanthate in the uk)
May 8th: 250mg Sustanon, 100mg primo
May 10th: 250mg Sust only.
May 12th: 250mg Sustanon, 100mg primo
May 15th 250mg Sustanon, 80mg primo
May 17th: 250mg Sust only.
May 19th: 250mg Sustanon, 80mg primo.
Things I’ve learned so far!
Primo kicks in very very fast at lowering E2 - or because I’ve not had blood work this early in - “low E2 symptoms”. This is very surprising given it’s an Enanthate ester.
On my first day of primo, despite the Sustanon a few days before and it’s propionate ester, and having decent E2 from TRT - my joints became dry and cracking within 6 hours of the primo.
Man I became pretty depressed and unable to wake up that day and until
Thursday May 11th. Caffeine had zero effect at all (it usually is quite strong for me).
Libido disappeared.
But perhaps this is because E2 takes quite some time to build up from only slightly elevated testosterone (one shot of 250 Sust won’t be a big increase in test levels)?
So I may have still had normal E2 on my first primo shot, so it was very easy to push E2 down rapidly?
This is a guesstimate for all of us because I didn’t plan on getting bloods in the first two weeks.
Thursday May 11th my joints were feeling normal again. Mentally feeling normal Again
I figured with some more testosterone building up I’d be fine for 100mg primo on May 12th. But I had dry cracking joints again! Not as bad and not so strong negative mental effects.
Hence this Monday I reduced primo to 80mg and this has been great no problem all week including Friday 19th dose.
However today, Saturday 20th, joints cracking again and a bit down mentally, though nowhere near the “anastrozole hole” if you take too much of that.
My understanding is that Sustanon takes about 5 weeks to reach steady state and primo being Enanthate about the same.
Is this correct?
I think I’ll stop the Primo 2 weeks and let my testosterone and E2 rise and then reintroduce it.
What would you guys suggest?
I didn’t front load the Sust because of the PIP.
Unfortunately I don’t use UGL injectables and test Enanthate is not available here to front load.
I’m abroad but will try to get bloods done
soon and regularly to see E2 levels after dropping the Primo, then reintroducing it.
There’ll still be Primo kicking around for weeks, but I can still compare to TRT - which puts my free T at 90% of range and E2 at 65%.
How does that sound?
Does anyone else have such a dramatic effect from Primo?
For context I do aromatise quite a lot. 500 cyp per week will need 1/4mg anastrozole 3 times a week after a month and steady state.
In terms of mental side effects only nandrolone is negative, but thats fixed keeping test:nandrolone at 5:3.
Thanks all !
Background:
I’ve done 7 cycles in the past, test only, test and deca, test and winstrol, test and tren. However the last 9 years has just been TRT of 80-100mg cypionate a week.
Recently I did 5 weeks of Dbol - which was excellent on top of TRT - very strong PED - or perhaps with its 4 hour half life, it’s just it’s at steady state within 24 hours.
I started a primo cycle on May 8th. It’s gone like this:
Before May 5th: TRT of 100mg cypionate per week.
May 5th: 250mg Sustanon (major shortage of cypionate and Enanthate in the uk)
May 8th: 250mg Sustanon, 100mg primo
May 10th: 250mg Sust only.
May 12th: 250mg Sustanon, 100mg primo
May 15th 250mg Sustanon, 80mg primo
May 17th: 250mg Sust only.
May 19th: 250mg Sustanon, 80mg primo.
Things I’ve learned so far!
Primo kicks in very very fast at lowering E2 - or because I’ve not had blood work this early in - “low E2 symptoms”. This is very surprising given it’s an Enanthate ester.
On my first day of primo, despite the Sustanon a few days before and it’s propionate ester, and having decent E2 from TRT - my joints became dry and cracking within 6 hours of the primo.
Man I became pretty depressed and unable to wake up that day and until
Thursday May 11th. Caffeine had zero effect at all (it usually is quite strong for me).
Libido disappeared.
But perhaps this is because E2 takes quite some time to build up from only slightly elevated testosterone (one shot of 250 Sust won’t be a big increase in test levels)?
So I may have still had normal E2 on my first primo shot, so it was very easy to push E2 down rapidly?
This is a guesstimate for all of us because I didn’t plan on getting bloods in the first two weeks.
Thursday May 11th my joints were feeling normal again. Mentally feeling normal Again
I figured with some more testosterone building up I’d be fine for 100mg primo on May 12th. But I had dry cracking joints again! Not as bad and not so strong negative mental effects.
Hence this Monday I reduced primo to 80mg and this has been great no problem all week including Friday 19th dose.
However today, Saturday 20th, joints cracking again and a bit down mentally, though nowhere near the “anastrozole hole” if you take too much of that.
My understanding is that Sustanon takes about 5 weeks to reach steady state and primo being Enanthate about the same.
Is this correct?
I think I’ll stop the Primo 2 weeks and let my testosterone and E2 rise and then reintroduce it.
What would you guys suggest?
I didn’t front load the Sust because of the PIP.
Unfortunately I don’t use UGL injectables and test Enanthate is not available here to front load.
I’m abroad but will try to get bloods done
soon and regularly to see E2 levels after dropping the Primo, then reintroducing it.
There’ll still be Primo kicking around for weeks, but I can still compare to TRT - which puts my free T at 90% of range and E2 at 65%.
How does that sound?
Does anyone else have such a dramatic effect from Primo?
For context I do aromatise quite a lot. 500 cyp per week will need 1/4mg anastrozole 3 times a week after a month and steady state.
In terms of mental side effects only nandrolone is negative, but thats fixed keeping test:nandrolone at 5:3.
Thanks all !
