Steroid Profile Primobolan

[Pinnacle Elements]

Damn, I wish I could run it, but hair is more important :-D

Damn it is a common one to cause shedding. It is what it is, I would agree it’s not worth going bald over.

I’m fortunate (knock on wood) on my hair with AAS. 19-nors cause it the worst me, I get all the bad sides with them.

Only test and DHT derivatives for me.

 

[Xscense]

I permanently cruise primo. Would definitely recommend it

Any particular levels that you watch closer/accept as out-of-range, with this cruise addition? (I.e. HDL)

 

[baxter0312]

Any particular levels that you watch closer/accept as out-of-range, with this cruise addition? (I.e. HDL)

Primo destroyed my LDL, which is still hanging in there only because my natural levels were abnormally high

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I guess so, never at 1:1 ratio, but I have taken test lower than primo and still required some anastrozole. Maybe at trt doses it would eliminate the need for AI. For me not even eq touched estrogen too much, which seems to for some people to crash it.

I believe you're the type who doesn't need AI on a cruise/trt? Not me unfortunately, I require a bit anyways to keep feeling good and get the benefits of Testosterone.

OT, but you should throw away the Anastrozole and switch to Aromasin - far superior product.

 

[bilbobagginz101]

Bit unconventional, but I'm curious and would like to hear thoughts for my next cycle/cruise

100mg/wk of Test, 700mg/wk of Primo, and a light bit of Estradiol valerate for estrogen support; 4IU GH/day as well ofc. Aim is just perfect blood markers and bare minimum physiological stress.

 

[Eddie.]

Bit unconventional, but I'm curious and would like to hear thoughts for my next cycle/cruise

100mg/wk of Test, 700mg/wk of Primo, and a light bit of Estradiol valerate for estrogen support; 4IU GH/day as well ofc. Aim is just perfect blood markers and bare minimum physiological stress.

Absolutely not. Sounds like a dumb plan brother. Also, how in the world you're aiming for perfect bloodwork and planning to add a compound it's known it destroys lipids? Also, how's your HCT and RBC? Because technically primo was used to treat anemia by raising RBC production. And on top of that you're thinking to inject a female hormone to counteract the lack of estrogen due to primo. For me, just no.

What physiological stress would you get from 400 test and 200-300 primo that 100 test and 700 primo won't give you?

 

[bilbobagginz101]

Absolutely not. Sounds like a dumb plan brother. Also, how in the world you're aiming for perfect bloodwork and planning to add a compound it's known it destroys lipids? Also, how's your HCT and RBC? Because technically primo was used to treat anemia by raising RBC production. And on top of that you're thinking to inject a female hormone to counteract the lack of estrogen due to primo. For me, just no.

What physiological stress would you get from 400 test and 200-300 primo that 100 test and 700 primo won't give you?

Appreciate the response. I've yet to try Primo.

My suggestion was more coming from the perspective of reading a lot of accounts where people say Primo doesn't touch their bloodwork, and they'd run it as high as they could wallet and estrogen permitting. Is it not the case that Primo is mg for mg less 'toxic' or onerous to the body?

Asking mostly as I'm one of those unfortunate few that doesn't tolerate high test well; fucks with my sleep and BP. I feel best on cruise test

 

[xrayphoton13]

Appreciate the response. I've yet to try Primo.

My suggestion was more coming from the perspective of reading a lot of accounts where people say Primo doesn't touch their bloodwork, and they'd run it as high as they could wallet and estrogen permitting. Is it not the case that Primo is mg for mg less 'toxic' or onerous to the body?

Asking mostly as I'm one of those unfortunate few that doesn't tolerate high test well; fucks with my sleep and BP. I feel best on cruise test

You'll get e2 from 100mg test. Just swap the primo for masteron and this would work although it's still an excessive amount of dht. If you're dead see on this cycle with primo though, i don't suggest taking estrogen. Take dbol instead for more anabolism! It converts to methylestradiol but it will feel the same as e2 and you'll actually grow off dbol. Just an idea. I once ran no test, 700 deca, 25 dbol, 400 primo, 25 var and it was a quality cycle

 

[ve79]

You don't need 800-1000mg of primo to see excellent results. I've never used over 500mg and love the results it gives. It's actually probably my favorite drug.

Do you still need to run it with test as a base?

 

[Eman]

Do you still need to run it with test as a base?

Define "need".

Is it highly recommended? Yes.

Can you possibly get away without it? Maybe.

I can tell you in my experience it does fuck with estrogen. Without a test base, I'd be crashed. If you've never crashed your E2 before, it is a rough ride... I was sure I had a bad case of the flu.

There aren't really any cycles that it's advisable to ignore testosterone.

 

[espresso123]

Have experimented with Primo myself, used it in different situations.

TRT + little Primo: Libido higher than just with TRT, having more endurance on regular days and feeling better even on days with bad sleep.

Test/Primo: 1:1 ratio cut my e2 by half. When Primo was higher than Test, my e2 was too low and my libido was fading away.
My lipids take a toll using Primo, my families baseline LDL is pretty "high" by nature, so is mine even before TRT and with everything checked being in place (solid nutrition, cardio etc etc) - However basically no cardio vascular events existing.

Regarding shedding, I am one of the lucky people who barely experience that. I think some more hairs fall out while on Primo (not the 50-100mg with the TRT tho, that does nothing), but it can be just the hairline remained literally the same.

Body hair growth became more, but I cannot tell if thats mostly the compound or the fact of me getting older. I guess it grows just a little faster than before.

Other negatives beside lipids: Sweating way more. Also during nights. If Test/Primo/E2 have a certain balance, my libido is terribly high.
As a person prone to back/shoulder acne during my teens (which went away slowly at the age of 20 upwards) I never had any issue at all.

Doses being used were considered "lower end". I would like to run it higher but as it did what it should do, I did not see the point of using more.

It is highly interesting how different peoples lipids change using gear. I have seen bloodwork ofa guy I knew a day after getting his pro card, he literally had perfect LDL levels.

 

[Nidus]

Have experimented with Primo myself, used it in different situations.

TRT + little Primo: Libido higher than just with TRT, having more endurance on regular days and feeling better even on days with bad sleep.

Test/Primo: 1:1 ratio cut my e2 by half. When Primo was higher than Test, my e2 was too low and my libido was fading away.
My lipids take a toll using Primo, my families baseline LDL is pretty "high" by nature, so is mine even before TRT and with everything checked being in place (solid nutrition, cardio etc etc) - However basically no cardio vascular events existing.

Regarding shedding, I am one of the lucky people who barely experience that. I think some more hairs fall out while on Primo (not the 50-100mg with the TRT tho, that does nothing), but it can be just the hairline remained literally the same.

Body hair growth became more, but I cannot tell if thats mostly the compound or the fact of me getting older. I guess it grows just a little faster than before.

Other negatives beside lipids: Sweating way more. Also during nights. If Test/Primo/E2 have a certain balance, my libido is terribly high.
As a person prone to back/shoulder acne during my teens (which went away slowly at the age of 20 upwards) I never had any issue at all.

Doses being used were considered "lower end". I would like to run it higher but as it did what it should do, I did not see the point of using more.

It is highly interesting how different peoples lipids change using gear. I have seen bloodwork ofa guy I knew a day after getting his pro card, he literally had perfect LDL levels.

Recently increased my Primo from 250 to 350 and it nuked my Lipids. At 250 it didnt do much. So going back to 200-250 to recover. Instead i will try and increase my test a little from 250 to 300 as my e2 is at 16, despite using a little bit of HCG.

 

[espresso123]

Recently increased my Primo from 250 to 350 and it nuked my Lipids. At 250 it didnt do much. So going back to 200-250 to recover. Instead i will try and increase my test a little from 250 to 300 as my e2 is at 16, despite using a little bit of HCG.

Any oral compound you were taking?

For how long did you run the 250 and for how long the 350?
I do not belive you will be able to get them back to normal having it in your system at these dosage, if no oral compound was used, I assume it is simply the duration. But again, would be interesting to know what you exactly did.

Got the same experience, if I went up to 300 having Test below 250 was simply to harsh on the E2. I knew my base levels from TRT regarding E2 after months of not changing the dose/injection protocol and ended up somewhere in the high 30s or low 40s (dont have the paper in front of me from back then).

 

[Nidus]

Any oral compound you were taking?

For how long did you run the 250 and for how long the 350?
I do not belive you will be able to get them back to normal having it in your system at these dosage, if no oral compound was used, I assume it is simply the duration. But again, would be interesting to know what you exactly did.

Got the same experience, if I went up to 300 having Test below 250 was simply to harsh on the E2. I knew my base levels from TRT regarding E2 after months of not changing the dose/injection protocol and ended up somewhere in the high 30s or low 40s (dont have the paper in front of me from back then).

No oral compound, only these two. Already went back down to 240 Primo and will see how lipids go after 4 weeks

 

[espresso123]

No oral compound, only these two. Already went back down to 240 Primo and will see how lipids go after 4 weeks

There was a study performed with oxandrolone where people were monitored on their lipids prior administration on a weekly basis, it took them about 6-8 weeks to get somewhat back to normal. I dont have that study on hand right now, but I dont belive you will get back to "normal" with that dose if you reacted that way already.

But keep us updated!

 

[Nidus]

There was a study performed with oxandrolone where people were monitored on their lipids prior administration on a weekly basis, it took them about 6-8 weeks to get somewhat back to normal. I dont have that study on hand right now, but I dont belive you will get back to "normal" with that dose if you reacted that way already.

But keep us updated!

Will do! I will wait 4 weeks and then pull bloods, while its not much and i dont expect a big difference i do think that 100mg less can make a little difference. At 50mg and 100mg my lipids did not change at all with Primo. Only at 150mg upwards in the past