Protein powder vz real food

[Docd187123]

Maybe not a "need" but I decided to see how my performance changed with the addition of fast digesting carbs during the workout. The results spoke for themselves.

And therein lies the difference. Fast acting carbs won't have a direct effect on body comp or muscle gain but if they do allow you better performance in the gym then it's an indirect benefit. If you do better this way then keep it up!

What are your thoughts on spiking insulin with fast carbs though? Again, not a need... But beneficial none the less wouldn't you say?

Beneficial to what? What's the context of your question here bc the context can change the answer lol

 

[Bradly]

Ive been doing nothing but whole foods recently. this is what i had yesterday (off day):
breakfast 4 eggs, half cup egg whites, bout 37 grams protein
snack :greek yogurt bout 12 grams protein
later half gallon fair life milk: 91 grams
dinner 3 double cheese turkey burgers 115 grams protein
later eggs same as breakfast so another 37 grams

I might have had another greek yogurt and a couple glasses of regular milk thrown in there some where with the eggs.

its all about price point for me right now eggs and milk are cheap. next cycle Ill invest in some wpi.

 

[Eman]

Fast acting carbs won't have a direct effect on body comp or muscle gain

Not sure if I know how to differentiate between direct and indirect effects to be honest haha! But fast acting carbs are necessary to keep glycogen levels "topped off" so to speak. Some will say that you don't burn enough glycogen during a workout to be concerned - but having anything less than glycogen stores fully replenished is cheating yourself IMO. As glucose breaks away from the glycogen chain and generates ATP one is provided with several benefits - probably the important one for my point is the resulting muscle contractions which seems like a direct benefit to not only building new muscle but muscle strength as well. This makes fast digesting carbs important and maybe I'm looking at it wrong but a direct benefit to muscle building. Necessary? No. Highly beneficial? I would say yes.

Beneficial to what? What's the context of your question here bc the context

True! My context was more based in terms of deterring catabolism throughout a workout. So by spiking insulin in using simple carbohydrates we can encourage our body to remain anti catabolic and prevent the breakdown of muscle. Add protein to this mix and we are in an even more anabolic state at a time we probably need it the most. Keeping up this anabolic state kicks off protein synthesis much better when we reach our post workout meal in my eyes, this is my just my limited understanding though as I research insulin. I'm basing more of my thoughts here on the evidence in increased performance and better recovery...I should have clarified a bit better but I was just interested in your take on simple carbs especially coming from your powerlifting background. I would think you're eating a snickers bar between sets

 

[Docd187123]

Not sure if I know how to differentiate between direct and indirect effects to be honest haha! But fast acting carbs are necessary to keep glycogen levels "topped off" so to speak. Some will say that you don't burn enough glycogen during a workout to be concerned - but having anything less than glycogen stores fully replenished is cheating yourself IMO. As glucose breaks away from the glycogen chain and generates ATP one is provided with several benefits - probably the important one for my point is the resulting muscle contractions which seems like a direct benefit to not only building new muscle but muscle strength as well. This makes fast digesting carbs important and maybe I'm looking at it wrong but a direct benefit to muscle building. Necessary? No. Highly beneficial? I would say yes.

Consider this to help differentiate between direct and indirect benefits:

Whey protein, or any type of protein really, will directly benefit your body composition bc some of the amino acids will be stored in skeletal muscle tissue. More muscle tissue improves body composition.

A pre-workout drink can indirectly benefit your body composition by allowing you to work out harder. It's indirect bc the pre-workout supp didn't change your body composition, it merely allowed you better training which then the training directly benefited body composition.

Fast acting carbs aren't necessary to stimulate glycogenenesis. Slow acting carbs do it too and protein can theoretically by converting to glucose first then to glycogen if there's an excess of glucose but that doesn't happen that often I'd think. If we're talking about full replenishment of glycogen after your workout then it's not necessary bc if you eat the same amount of slow acting carbs you'll be replenished by your next workout unless you're doing more than one a day. If you're talking about replenishing glycogen for before your workout then again, slow carbs can do this also. There are also certain benefits to training in an glycogen depleted state from time to time.

True! My context was more based in terms of deterring catabolism throughout a workout. So by spiking insulin in using simple carbohydrates we can encourage our body to remain anti catabolic and prevent the breakdown of muscle. Add protein to this mix and we are in an even more anabolic state at a time we probably need it the most. Keeping up this anabolic state kicks off protein synthesis much better when we reach our post workout meal in my eyes, this is my just my limited understanding though as I research insulin. I'm basing more of my thoughts here on the evidence in increased performance and better recovery...I should have clarified a bit better but I was just interested in your take on simple carbs especially coming from your powerlifting background. I would think you're eating a snickers bar between sets

If you eat any protein, fiber, or dietary fat they will slow down the digestion of fast acting carbs. Protein can also spike insulin, it's not limited to fast carbs.

You want the breakdown of muscle from a workout though. That breakdown is what actually stimulates adaptation, super composition, protein synthesis, etc. There's evidence showing the more catabolic you go between meals the greater the anabolic effect at the next meal bc of this super composition effect.

My point is, if you match carbohydrate intake between fast and slow carbs, the direct results on body composition will be similar. If you prefer fast acting carbs and you perform better in the gym with the sugar rush for example then by all means follow that protocol bc even though it won't provide a direct benefit, it still will help you indirectly.

It's actually usually poptarts between sets lol!! Im serious too. But carbs are still important to powerlifters also. I eat a shit ton of carbs very regularly. I get around 1-1.5g protein per pound depending in the day, fat is usually around 70-90g but varies a lot, and everything else is carbs. I've had over 1000g of carbs in a day before. The day before my meet. I did some fasting and other tricks to make weight the day before and right after that my group hit up a restaurant where I ordered two dinners and then proceeded to eat chips, brownies, PBnJ, donuts, jerky, etc until I could eat no more

 

[Eman]

It's actually usually poptarts between sets lol!! Im serious too.

That's right I forgot this! I may have to grab a box for the gym bag

Home Made Top Tarts! Recipe

^ here you go man... Try it out with some protein and a little halo added and I will be a customer. "Doc's UGL Pop Tarts"

 

[Docd187123]

That's right I forgot this! I may have to grab a box for the gym bag

Home Made Top Tarts! Recipe

^ here you go man... Try it out with some protein and a little halo added and I will be a customer. "Doc's UGL Pop Tarts"

Dude, you are the fucking man!!!! Thanks for the recipe. I'm definitely going to try it out soon. This is like one of my wet dreams come true

Edit* you bodybuild I assume? Instead of sprinkles I'll put halo on top for you lol

 

[Eman]

Edit* you bodybuild I assume? Instead of sprinkles I'll put halo on top for you lol

Haha that would be the shit!! I want pictures in OGH's thread!

Yeah I'm bodybuilding right now but I enjoy focusing on strength half the time. I'm going to cut next month then probably make the move to back powerlifting which is what I started with years ago. I also have an interest in strongman training... I may dabble in with it someday intermixed with powerlifting training. Strongman + Powerlifting log sounds like a fun time

 

[Demondosage]

Have you ever seen/heard of PB fit? It's a powdered peanut butter and its very tasty.



I like Gatorade for dextrose personally with amino acids added. Doesn't get much better than that.

That's exactly what I do rt now for inner workout carbs after I hit insulin, full up a shaker cup with some blue Gatorade mix I bought from Sam's club, and mix in 2 scoops of muscletech amino mix rasberry flavored

 

[Eman]

That's exactly what I do rt now for inner workout carbs after I hit insulin, full up a shaker cup with some blue Gatorade mix I bought from Sam's club, and mix in 2 scoops of muscletech amino mix rasberry flavored

Oh Christ we got a muscle tech shill...

Are you able to reap any benefits to your insulin use or is it completely medicinal due to your condition? I remember you saying you were diagnosed diabetic a while back.

 

[Demondosage]

Oh Christ we got a muscle tech shill...

Are you able to reap any benefits to your insulin use or is it completely medicinal due to your condition? I remember you saying you were diagnosed diabetic a while back.

Yea I'm not gonna bullshit anyone, I seem to look fuller and more pumped on it. As for the muscletech aminos, hey whatever works rt?? They were at Walmart for $20

 

[Demondosage]

Being diabetic sucks, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I don't see it as "a condition or illness", I just kind of look at it like TRT for my pancreas. No test? Fuck it, got that prescribed...no insulin? Fuck it, got that too, let's rock!!!

 

[pmac928]

I use muscle tech protein. Duck it it's cheap and the phase 8 is actually pretty good blend of casein and whey. Bpi aminos and pre wo. I can walk out of walmart with all my supps for under 100.00 try doing that at gnc or vitamin shopp.

 

[Eman]

I use muscle tech protein. Duck it it's cheap and the phase 8 is actually pretty good blend of casein and whey. Bpi aminos and pre wo. I can walk out of walmart with all my supps for under 100.00 try doing that at gnc or vitamin shopp.

Good way to do it. I like buying in bulk online. Making my own blend on truenutrition.com is cool to mess around with. Good quality far as I have seen as well.

As far as aminos and anything else I get that in bulk as well and blend it myself messing around with the formula. I save a lot of money doing it that way also. Citruline malate, beta alanine, arginine, bcaas and other goodies all mixed together then add Gatorade for electrolytes and dextrose.

 

[54chev]

Food is cheaper than protein powder. Its good if youre in a hurry or lazy but theres really no need for it.
Average tub of protein is $30.
Youre better off buying 10lbs of meat and some oatmeal with your $30.
10lbs of lean meat= 1000 grams of protein. If it makes you feel better about it, toss your chicken, turkey, or whatever you choose in the blender, throw some veggies, some oats and some smarties or candy of your choice in there with it. Drink it quick, can be brutal. Or just eat it and save the hassle. Toss the protein powder, not worth it.

 

[pmac928]

Food is cheaper than protein powder. Its good if youre in a hurry or lazy but theres really no need for it.
Average tub of protein is $30.
Youre better off buying 10lbs of meat and some oatmeal with your $30.
10lbs of lean meat= 1000 grams of protein. If it makes you feel better about it, toss your chicken, turkey, or whatever you choose in the blender, throw some veggies, some oats and some smarties or candy of your choice in there with it. Drink it quick, can be brutal. Or just eat it and save the hassle. Toss the protein powder, not worth it.

I enjoy my protein shakes. I'm not blending food. Gross. Hard enough to consume so much chicken with all the chewing as it is. I even bought a lb of ground chicken yesterday to try(less chewing) wasn t half bad seasoned right.

 

[Eman]

I enjoy my protein shakes. I'm not blending food. Gross. Hard enough to consume so much chicken with all the chewing as it is. I even bought a lb of ground chicken yesterday to try(less chewing) wasn t half bad seasoned right.

Google - Poundstone Shake

 

[54chev]

I enjoy my protein shakes. I'm not blending food. Gross. Hard enough to consume so much chicken with all the chewing as it is. I even bought a lb of ground chicken yesterday to try(less chewing) wasn t half bad seasoned right.

Ha it is disgusting. In my early 20's i used to microwave 2 chicken breasts, cut them up and throw them in a blender with a diet coke..3 times a day. I dont know how i did it, if i did that now id yack..wasnt about taste or food then..just held my nose and chugged it down. And i dont go anywhere near chicken now unless its fried and covered in blue cheese.

 

[koolio]

I see so many ads advertising all sorts of protein drinks and how these drinks are the reason why pros look the way that they do. I have some friends that drink as much as six of these drinks per day and they tell me that shakes are better than food for growing muscle. i found this crazy to believe! for a start these are not for meal replacements but these guys seem to live on them.

i my self have added 2 - 3 protein shakes in with my diets when training.
I have just ordered some supps which i didn't want to name as (DR JIM may think im shilling) the next 3-4 months im going to be aiming in using real food to my existing diet. i am using free range egg whites and Oatmeal peanut butter this will be replacing my protein powder as these egg whites 11.2g per 100ml which is a decent amount

what are your thoughts. and which do you prefer?

 

[koolio]

Stick to real food...after 40 years in this game I have learned that supplements are bull..."take this crap and you will look like me"...what a crock...eggs, meat, fowl...you can't go wrong….....koolio

 

[Smokey McPot]

Muscle feast makes the some of the best proteins IMO.

If im super hungry, id eat food instead. If not, i can do half and half. 3 shakes and 3 meals.

Musclefeast ISO is my go to protein shake, but IMO food is a better option. If I don't have time to eat then I'll have a protein shake