I've ran there prop and had good results,I'm running there clomid and Nolvadex now I hope it's legit.
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Prove That Naps Is Scammer And Sells Bunk Gear
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Roc050
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I'm thinking of ordering sustanon from naps, does anyone recommend a brand, I was thinking Oragon single vials but if there something just as good for less money, I saw the Dragon pharma sus350
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mercury
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do you really think that pharmaceutical companies sell to dealers on black market 
there are some pharma grade in circulation but limited supply for a few lucky only.
what you get is counterfeit looks the same you think it is the same if you lucky you get some underdosed test prop and test enen inside.
and remember the infidels in Pakistan might put ebola inside to kill us.
there are some pharma grade in circulation but limited supply for a few lucky only.
what you get is counterfeit looks the same you think it is the same if you lucky you get some underdosed test prop and test enen inside.
and remember the infidels in Pakistan might put ebola inside to kill us.
do you really think that pharmaceutical companies sell to dealers on black market
Oh yes they do. If you own a pharm company and the right connections to import the products, you can easily contact any Karachi pharm wholesaler and they will ship to you whatever you want. Absolutely legal. Out of curiosity you can find a local Karachi wholesaler and start negotiations and see what I'm talking about. The biggest dealers are the pharmaceutical corporations, not us. They do realize there are nearly not so many HRT patients around the word. Sustanon alone is manufactured in batches of dozens if not hundreds of millions amps every month. Who would need that much.
Placebo effect really, so is that why you have posted bogus lab analyses?
That could have a HUGE impact on ones perception about ANY and I mean ANY UGL.
Until WEB based UGL begin posting legit data on all products sold a buyer should assume what they are buying is BULLSHIT!
Again you know nothing of what you speak.
There is NO WAY a USA based Pharm Co would knowingly allow this.
Why? Because that's a great way for a multimillion dollar company to have it's doors closed by the DEA and/or FDA
Furthermore bc AAS and many other PEDS are CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES must be accounted for (counted) on a periodic basis.
Moreover the CS areas are monitored with some employees required to take lie detector tests AND drug screening.
Go ahead try to gain access to the Controlled Substance Division of ANY legit US lab, lol!
You spewing is BULLSHIT is just another attempt to bolster your products "Ph grade" legitimacy and Sales. Another "PLACEBO EFFECT? Indeed!
NOW does this occur in other countries where the guidelines are more lenient I suspect so, but unless that company is based in Western Europe, a considerable portion of "overseas" Pharm products are bogus also.
conquistador
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would have to contact a karachi wholesaler tobget tobthe bottom of this. I only got contact information for a turkish meds wholesaler, well two...
Jim are you an expert in international drug smuggling? I don't think so. Keep talking about what you know only. Because it's not even smuggling in this case. Organon Karachi would sell to a local pharmaceutical wholesaler no problem. They have to. After that they can't control the wholesalers in Pakistan. Who can? FDA? Wrong! The wholesaler will do everything to export the product. The system is CORRUPT there! The wholesaler would sell to an international pharmaceutical company like me. It's not very complicated. You'd be surprised but everything is done officially with proper docs.
And the lab tests I posted are real, you know that. I will be posting more as they come and from different labs. But of course you will call them all bogus and keep to the agenda.
And the lab tests I posted are real, you know that. I will be posting more as they come and from different labs. But of course you will call them all bogus and keep to the agenda.
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https://www.1napsgear.org/lab_test.phpHere allow me to quantify your foolishness.
Look at the HPLC of Oxandrolone, is't WORSE than chemistry students first HPLC. And that's being kind.
For instance CHECK OUT THE LAST OXANDROLONE HPLC, it's listed as "Anavar 20", right column about mid page.
1) Investigate the effect "shouldering, tailing, asymmetric peaking, or a migrating baseline" (all FOUR being present in the NAPS LC) has on the reproducibility or accuracy of an LCs, QUANTITIVE analysis. (HINT: Their impact on the reliability of an HPLC is often listed as an "F" factor)
2) I'd love to see ANY one of NAPs HPLCs to include WHAT IS REQUIRED, a calibration curve for EVERY AAS posted, consider the injection spike as a potential contaminant, (especially when wide as these are) reveal changes in the peak HEIGHT or WIDTH when a sample is "spiked" etc. The latter creates a huge problem bc the curve is LISTED as being LINEAR but the linearity would be HORIZONTAL rather than TANGENTIAL! In other words the Cal Curve of Oxandrolone is once again BULLSHIT.
3) Why isn't the MANDATORY Oxandrolone UV spectrograph shown?
4) Enlighten me, at what UVWL was the sample (Oxandrolone) absorbance maximal?
5) How were the comparative stock solutions derived
6) What formula was used to determine the Concentration, which would prove to be impossible in light of the fact no accurate AUG or AUC is displayed?
7) How was the degree of impurity established?
8) How exactly was the MS used to evaluate whether the base peak was indeed the parent (presumably the AAS) ion? What all that's required is a matching MW? NOT!!!
9) What statistical algorithm was used to determine the fragmentation patterns of this Oxandrolone sample
10) Why do you continue to throw more unexplained LC/MS rather than locating SOMEONE WHOM can answer my questions, and I've plenty more where those came from bc thats how bogus these tests are.
FINALLY WHOM ARE YOU TO SUGGEST THESE REPORTS ARE "REAL" WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID YOU AREN'T QUALIFIED TO INTERPRET THEM? (Like that's not already obvious)
Lastly DRUG SMUGGLING has NOT one damn thing to do with ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY, bc I can teach any mule to carry concealed drugs across some border in a matter of hours, while interpreting an LC/MS confidently will require YEARS OF STUDY! Moreover when did I negate the possibility of illicit transactions, to clandestine labs, on behalf of certified PHARM COMPANIES outside of Europe and the US.
Look at the HPLC of Oxandrolone, is't WORSE than chemistry students first HPLC. And that's being kind.
For instance CHECK OUT THE LAST OXANDROLONE HPLC, it's listed as "Anavar 20", right column about mid page.
1) Investigate the effect "shouldering, tailing, asymmetric peaking, or a migrating baseline" (all FOUR being present in the NAPS LC) has on the reproducibility or accuracy of an LCs, QUANTITIVE analysis. (HINT: Their impact on the reliability of an HPLC is often listed as an "F" factor)
2) I'd love to see ANY one of NAPs HPLCs to include WHAT IS REQUIRED, a calibration curve for EVERY AAS posted, consider the injection spike as a potential contaminant, (especially when wide as these are) reveal changes in the peak HEIGHT or WIDTH when a sample is "spiked" etc. The latter creates a huge problem bc the curve is LISTED as being LINEAR but the linearity would be HORIZONTAL rather than TANGENTIAL! In other words the Cal Curve of Oxandrolone is once again BULLSHIT.
3) Why isn't the MANDATORY Oxandrolone UV spectrograph shown?
4) Enlighten me, at what UVWL was the sample (Oxandrolone) absorbance maximal?
5) How were the comparative stock solutions derived
6) What formula was used to determine the Concentration, which would prove to be impossible in light of the fact no accurate AUG or AUC is displayed?
7) How was the degree of impurity established?
8) How exactly was the MS used to evaluate whether the base peak was indeed the parent (presumably the AAS) ion? What all that's required is a matching MW? NOT!!!
9) What statistical algorithm was used to determine the fragmentation patterns of this Oxandrolone sample
10) Why do you continue to throw more unexplained LC/MS rather than locating SOMEONE WHOM can answer my questions, and I've plenty more where those came from bc thats how bogus these tests are.
FINALLY WHOM ARE YOU TO SUGGEST THESE REPORTS ARE "REAL" WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID YOU AREN'T QUALIFIED TO INTERPRET THEM? (Like that's not already obvious)
Lastly DRUG SMUGGLING has NOT one damn thing to do with ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY, bc I can teach any mule to carry concealed drugs across some border in a matter of hours, while interpreting an LC/MS confidently will require YEARS OF STUDY! Moreover when did I negate the possibility of illicit transactions, to clandestine labs, on behalf of certified PHARM COMPANIES outside of Europe and the US.
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What's really most important is the analyses derived from real time customers. Bc no one acquires the raw in the raw.
It's been stepped on at least once if not twice to diminish the concentration or anabolic agent is not what is printed on those labels.
YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW the QUALITY of an UGL AAS analyze the CONSUMER PRODUCTS. The results are telling yet unfortunately abysmal!
Wanna know HOW GOOD YOUR AAS REALLY ARE "Naps plant" stay tuned, bc I'll have some GENUINE (customer purchased) results fer ya, lol!
Oh and one thing I WONT DO, ALTER THOSE RESULTS IN ANY WAY, IT IS WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD, GUARANTEED, bc believe it or not, I do these tests to improve the quality of the AAS being sold to Meso members.
It's been stepped on at least once if not twice to diminish the concentration or anabolic agent is not what is printed on those labels.
YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW the QUALITY of an UGL AAS analyze the CONSUMER PRODUCTS. The results are telling yet unfortunately abysmal!
Wanna know HOW GOOD YOUR AAS REALLY ARE "Naps plant" stay tuned, bc I'll have some GENUINE (customer purchased) results fer ya, lol!
Oh and one thing I WONT DO, ALTER THOSE RESULTS IN ANY WAY, IT IS WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD, GUARANTEED, bc believe it or not, I do these tests to improve the quality of the AAS being sold to Meso members.
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Alright, you are referring to this lab test: https://www.1napsgear.org/img/labtest/biomex_oxandrolone_040813_1-1.pdf
This is not HPLC. It's MS test. It was tested in a US laboratory. I've contacted a person who did the test so he can hopefully come here and answer your questions.
Meanwhile can you comment on this Oxandolone lab test made in the current Chinese lab?
https://www.1napsgear.org/img/labtest/anavar.pdf
This is not HPLC. It's MS test. It was tested in a US laboratory. I've contacted a person who did the test so he can hopefully come here and answer your questions.
Meanwhile can you comment on this Oxandolone lab test made in the current Chinese lab?
https://www.1napsgear.org/img/labtest/anavar.pdf
You will have genuine customer purchased results? You will be able to fake them in anyway you want. Meso should find and option we could all trust and not your follow your agenda here.
Goodness it's the TOP GRAPH that looks much like a graphic snow drift where ABSORBANCE is vertical and TIME is horizontal.
The MS is BELOW this HPLC graph and shows INTENSITY as a VERTICAL factor and M/z (molecular weight) is a HORIZONTAL factor!
Got it!
Night night!
hey but maybe "this "guy" could start the process of answering any of the 10 questions you asked for and now are in full possession of
The MS is BELOW this HPLC graph and shows INTENSITY as a VERTICAL factor and M/z (molecular weight) is a HORIZONTAL factor!
Got it!
Night night!
hey but maybe "this "guy" could start the process of answering any of the 10 questions you asked for and now are in full possession of
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Damn it Jim everytime I read something you write I feel like an uneducated retard.
Sorry mate it's really not intentional at all but like most professions wo first understanding and using the nomenclature, communication between those of similar training would prove to be very difficult.
Moreover if someone from Naps ever does decide to respond to my questions, you should hear "what do you mean Doc" on a very infrequent basis, providing they are not playing "dummy games". The latter being much more common than you would think, IME.
AS I already mentioned why would I do such a thing, why?
Ive NEVER had dealings with NAPs good or bad and I can promise you this I have NO VESTED INTEREST AS YOU DO!
I'm looking to locate the GGOD and the BAD labs based on consumer evidence and not something posted on behalf of Naps on a thread THEY BEGAN on Meso to advance sales.
Oh and to date I haven't made ONE CENT off these analyses, any monies collected would be used for either purchasing the products or the aquisition chemical standards, solvents or other needed equipment.
Somehow I suspect after some 7K posts on this forum alone, I KNOW my credibility will extend MUCH FURTHER THAN YOURS, like it or not.
Finally while acquiring MS data is readily accomplished thru various websites, obtaining similar data for a HPLC is essentially nonexistent and ANYONE with a reasonable degree of training would recognize the discrepancies, just as I have done.
Why don't you take a look at the Western Biologic tests I had conducted, you believe those results are biased,tainted or in any way altered, NOT!
Finally why is it Meso's obligation to "find a way" for YOU to enhance sales? I mean crap your already allowed to advertise FOR NOTHING, so why doesn't NAPS "find a way"!
Anyway nice try for suggesting I would alter the results, you'll have to give that another go, fella
do you really think that pharmaceutical companies sell to dealers on black market
karachi is not in the usa. when it comes to international black market steroid distribution i think @naps is the more qualified to know exactly of what he speaks.
when it comes to interpreting raw data for lab testing @Dr JIM you have my ear.
no one needs to be qualifed to interpret lab reports to know that they are real. back in the day i sent in dozens of samples to srcs. i don't know a thing about analytical chemistry but i knew the reports i got from srcs were real.
here's where we need your help @Dr JIM . 99.9% of us don't have expertise to interpret raw analytic data. we look at the report and skip to the section where the lab interprets the actual content of the sample in mg per tab or mg per ml.
we basically trust the analyt labs conclusion. if the raw data don't support that conclusion it would be great if you could tell us this and explain why in terms we can understand. the fancy nomenclature, technical terms and other big words dont help us much
i won't lie. a source that posts some 50 or so lab reports it does seem like he's making a serious effort at quality control.
i do understand we should all be skeptical when a source posts lab reports and i would much prefer to see independent lab reports from customers. i get it. i still would like to see more srcs do this
i've read all the questions you have for @naps. ok so you know more about analytic chemistry than naps. big deal. you prolly know more about it than all of us. what do the questions mean for me in lay terms? are you saying the lab's conclusions can't be determined from the raw data? are you saying all the naps lab reports are fake? explain it please.
i think i speak for most ppl when i say we really just want to know if the product is gtg. you know does a 5mg tab of dbol have 5mg or not.
I know that Meso is interested to start independent lab testing the UG labs and continue what was once started by BodyOfScience. Good thing for the community, plus independent testing is what will bring a lot of traffic/business to this board. So I can understand their true interest in unbiased testing. You may contribute to that. But your "independent" tests will always be questionable. Same as mine. The posts count is just not enough like it or not. Need someone or something with more credibility.
Comparing my testing to yours is like comparing apples to oranges. Why? Because I have NO VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST while YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO!
Incidentally I thought we had "an independent tester" performing analyses initially on Eroids and over the past 6 months on Meso. However the results that lab posted were highly questionable, so good luck with that one fella, lol!
Now of course it's understandable why any UGL would motion that the tests I post will be somehow biased, why they don'y want to be exposed, pure and simple
You know I've heard the tallying cry for independent testing for 4 years now AND NOT one person or lab has stepped forward and NONE EVER WILL, for a variety of reasons. That's a fact like it or not!
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